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Pataskala
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   Posted: 1/6/2013 11:37:35 AM 
With the possible demise of STO and Fox Ohio too preoccupied with baseball and A10, the MAC should look toward the new Fox Sports 1 channel (currently known as Speed) to get some openings for TV coverage of Saturday games.  According to ESPN, the Catholic 7 are negotiating with Fox for carriage on FS1.  The MAC should be talking with them, too.  Another possibility is that Fox will move some of its Big 12 and Pac 12 games to FS1, leaving other slots open for Saturday games.

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   Posted: 1/6/2013 3:12:42 PM 
This may be a good time for the MAC to look into building a quality online streaming network. Ask ESPN to build it to dovetail into the ESPN3 system and handle the advertising. I don't see the MAC ever being compelling to a national or regional cable network outside of being cheap mid-week programming. 

Of course, there's always the crazy notion of becoming a mid-week conference the entire season. It would be a bold move that could get you ESPN time the entire season. ESPNU's programming director would be forever grateful.

Last Edited: 1/6/2013 3:18:37 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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   Posted: 1/6/2013 7:12:13 PM 
so it's true that speed will become a all sports network. While I am not sad to see the continued demise of nascar it is a sad day still for all  auto racing fans, especially those of us who followed f1 and sprots car racing on the network.  I don't like nascar but it did pay the bill.
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   Posted: 1/6/2013 7:55:51 PM 
davepi2 wrote:
so it's true that speed will become a all sports network. While I am not sad to see the continued demise of nascar it is a sad day still for all  auto racing fans, especially those of us who followed f1 and sprots car racing on the network.  I don't like nascar but it did pay the bill.


NASCAR still has national coverage on Fox, ESPN, TNT, and NBC. They still get well over 100,000 people for most stock car events. I'm pretty damn sure they will be fine. I would approve of coverage on ESPNU, ESPN3, SPEED, or FSO.
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   Posted: 1/6/2013 8:07:30 PM 
Let's not limit ourselves in this quest.  Both CBS and NBC now have cable sports channels that are looking for live event programming so they can grow....I'd do about anything to be associated with either CBS or NBC.  Allie LaForce now cohosts a late nite show on the CBS channel...
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   Posted: 1/6/2013 8:41:49 PM 
brucecuth wrote:
Let's not limit ourselves in this quest.  Both CBS and NBC now have cable sports channels that are looking for live event programming so they can grow....I'd do about anything to be associated with either CBS or NBC.  Allie LaForce now cohosts a late nite show on the CBS channel...


No no no no no no! CBS-Sports is found on approximately 17 TVs in the country. I don't know anyone who has it as part of their basic/standard tier cable and it has no online footprint as near as I can tell. NBC sports, fine, thats on my cable, but CBS Sports is the home of lesser leagues, namely CUSA.
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   Posted: 1/6/2013 8:58:42 PM 
Big article in Friday's Investors Business Daily about how ESPN, Fox and Comcast/NBCUniversal are chasing sports programming.  Part of sports appeal is that it's not time-shifted watched (uh, not recorded and watched later) so more valuable to advertisers (can't speed thru the commercials and might stay on the channel to watch more of the channel's programming.....thought 'channel' is less relevant as people watch on pc/portable/tablet/phone).

More winnings and we get the O H I O sports network.



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   Posted: 1/6/2013 9:11:53 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
No no no no no no! CBS-Sports is found on approximately 17 TVs in the country. I don't know anyone who has it as part of their basic/standard tier cable and it has no online footprint as near as I can tell. NBC sports, fine, thats on my cable, but CBS Sports is the home of lesser leagues, namely CUSA.


Satellite has it more readily available, I think.  My parents have Dish Network and CBSSN is actually on a lower tier (middle standard one) than Versus/NBCSN is (upper standard one). Neither are on a specialty sports tier, though.

Where I am now, with Massillon Cable/CPI Wooster, it would require us to upgrade our cable one more tier for either one (not happening).
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   Posted: 1/6/2013 9:29:24 PM 
ts1227 wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
No no no no no no! CBS-Sports is found on approximately 17 TVs in the country. I don't know anyone who has it as part of their basic/standard tier cable and it has no online footprint as near as I can tell. NBC sports, fine, thats on my cable, but CBS Sports is the home of lesser leagues, namely CUSA.


Satellite has it more readily available, I think.  My parents have Dish Network and CBSSN is actually on a lower tier (middle standard one) than Versus/NBCSN is (upper standard one). Neither are on a specialty sports tier, though.

Where I am now, with Massillon Cable/CPI Wooster, it would require us to upgrade our cable one more tier for either one (not happening).


DirecTV has it as HD only.  We'd have to get an HD box.

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   Posted: 1/7/2013 12:36:53 PM 
cbs sports net is attempting to upgrade its programming, they've poached both jim rome and doug gotlieb from espn...now u don't have to like either one of these guys, but they are names.  and the net is available to FAR more than "17" sets.  Wikepedia says the directv deal alone makes it available to 30 million subscribers.

I'd like them to do more.  I wanna see them do what nbc sports net did on directv, and move to a channel adjacent to the ESPN cluster. 


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   Posted: 1/7/2013 2:59:40 PM 
#1: Yes, it is all but a done deal that Speed will become Fox Sports 1, primarily because it is fairly widely distributed, and they can use the Speed distribution deals to get on in a large number of households at once.  This is almost identical to NBC/Comcast's move with Versus, using its wide distribution to launch NBC Sports Network.

#2: While NASCAR will obviously be okay coverage-wise, other motorsports like F1, sportscar racing, endurance racing, and MotoGP will suffer, I'd guess.  However, with NBC, CBS, and FOX all trying to get in on the 24/7 sports space owned by ESPN, there may be space for some of those properties on one of those networks.

#3: The DirecTV deal isn't 30 million alone, it pushed CBS Sports Net to 30 million subscribers, total (DirecTV only has ~19 million subs, and I'm certain not all of them receive CBSSN).  For comparisons sake, NBC Sports Network is in ~78 million homes, Speed Channel (the mythical-as-of-now FS1) has 81 million, and the main two ESPN nets are in nearly 99 million.  Even ESPNU is in well more than double the homes of CBS Sports Net, at 73 million.  Saying CBS Sports Net is on in 17 homes is a bit of a stretch, but not that far off the mark.  They aren't close in terms of exposure, and I'd be upset if they were in the discussion for our rights, as it would be a tremendous step backwards for the conference.  At this point, the ESPN3 exclusive broadcasts are available in more homes (79 million) than NBCSN, CBSSN, or even ESPNU.

#4: Our current deal with STO is for second-tier rights; those are sub-licensed from ESPN, which owns our rights through 2016-2017.  If you think ESPN would allow the MA to sell those second-tier (usually regional) rights to NBC, CBS, or FOX, you're out of your mind.  So the earliest we would see a deal with one of those networks would be four years out, and it would mean we'd be off the ESPN family entirely (including ESPN3 streams).  They'll do split deals with some conferences because they can't lose that programming, so they'll put up with CBS to get the SEC and so forth.  I don't think the MAC has that kind of bargaining power.

My conclusion: we hope FS Ohio essentially splits into two full-time state-wide RSN's, and that gives them enough time on the broadcast clock to keep doing the MAC.  Options outside of that would be increasing the size of the OTA broadcast package which is presently 6 games a year.

I really don't see losing STO as huge on the football side -- they only broadcast 5 games in 2011 and 3 (the minimum stated in their contract) for 2012.  The big loss would be on the basketball side, where they televise more games, and the early rounds of the tournament.

Last Edited: 1/7/2013 3:01:52 PM by anorris
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   Posted: 1/7/2013 3:53:46 PM 
What is the likelihood of an a la carte cable sports package ever happening? I know the idea gets thrown around every couple of years (usually when words like "anti" and "trust" are also thrown around), but then goes nowhere.
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   Posted: 1/8/2013 9:39:18 AM 
anorris wrote:
#1: Yes, it is all but a done deal that Speed will become Fox Sports 1, primarily because it is fairly widely distributed, and they can use the Speed distribution deals to get on in a large number of households at once.  This is almost identical to NBC/Comcast's move with Versus, using its wide distribution to launch NBC Sports Network.

#2: While NASCAR will obviously be okay coverage-wise, other motorsports like F1, sportscar racing, endurance racing, and MotoGP will suffer, I'd guess.  However, with NBC, CBS, and FOX all trying to get in on the 24/7 sports space owned by ESPN, there may be space for some of those properties on one of those networks.

#3: The DirecTV deal isn't 30 million alone, it pushed CBS Sports Net to 30 million subscribers, total (DirecTV only has ~19 million subs, and I'm certain not all of them receive CBSSN).  For comparisons sake, NBC Sports Network is in ~78 million homes, Speed Channel (the mythical-as-of-now FS1) has 81 million, and the main two ESPN nets are in nearly 99 million.  Even ESPNU is in well more than double the homes of CBS Sports Net, at 73 million.  Saying CBS Sports Net is on in 17 homes is a bit of a stretch, but not that far off the mark.  They aren't close in terms of exposure, and I'd be upset if they were in the discussion for our rights, as it would be a tremendous step backwards for the conference.  At this point, the ESPN3 exclusive broadcasts are available in more homes (79 million) than NBCSN, CBSSN, or even ESPNU.

#4: Our current deal with STO is for second-tier rights; those are sub-licensed from ESPN, which owns our rights through 2016-2017.  If you think ESPN would allow the MA to sell those second-tier (usually regional) rights to NBC, CBS, or FOX, you're out of your mind.  So the earliest we would see a deal with one of those networks would be four years out, and it would mean we'd be off the ESPN family entirely (including ESPN3 streams).  They'll do split deals with some conferences because they can't lose that programming, so they'll put up with CBS to get the SEC and so forth.  I don't think the MAC has that kind of bargaining power.

My conclusion: we hope FS Ohio essentially splits into two full-time state-wide RSN's, and that gives them enough time on the broadcast clock to keep doing the MAC.  Options outside of that would be increasing the size of the OTA broadcast package which is presently 6 games a year.

I really don't see losing STO as huge on the football side -- they only broadcast 5 games in 2011 and 3 (the minimum stated in their contract) for 2012.  The big loss would be on the basketball side, where they televise more games, and the early rounds of the tournament.


Thanks Anorris. Very insightful. 

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   Posted: 1/8/2013 10:46:32 AM 
My dad is going to be crushed if they take those Barrett-Jackson car auctions off Speed.

My dad screaming in his recliner every New Year's Eve: "I COULD'VE BOUGHT THAT CAR IN 1967 FOR $600 AND IT JUST WENT FOR $82,000! THAT'S RIDICULOUS!"

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   Posted: 1/8/2013 1:05:49 PM 
nascar still has enough clout to destroy real sports car racing(ALMS) and replace it with their idea(grand am) so they probably will be able too last out the economic storm that is dragging down motorsports in the U.S.A..
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   Posted: 1/8/2013 3:09:30 PM 
davepi2 wrote:
nascar still has enough clout to destroy real sports car racing(ALMS) and replace it with their idea(grand am) so they probably will be able too last out the economic storm that is dragging down motorsports in the U.S.A..



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   Posted: 1/8/2013 7:08:13 PM 
nah, f2000 will do
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   Posted: 1/10/2013 12:35:16 AM 
C Money wrote:
What is the likelihood of an a la carte cable sports package ever happening? I know the idea gets thrown around every couple of years (usually when words like "anti" and "trust" are also thrown around), but then goes nowhere.
Very hard to say, but it seems unlikely any time in the near future.  The problem with a la carte cable TV is that the pricing structure that would make it work on the content-creators side won't be appealing to the audience, and a lot of networks would likely go away entirely.

It seems appealing when you read that you pay, say $4-$5 for ESPN, about the most expensive network out there, but if a la carte results in 1/3rd of the 100 million households it is in subscribing, to keep their revenue stable, you're talking HBO-level $15-$20 a month kind of subscriptions for major networks (which makes sense, if you think about it).  So now you get half a dozen channels and pay as much as you are now, and many smaller more niche networks disappear entirely.  What you may see are smaller, more targeted bundles/tiers for specific types of programming (sports, entertainment, information, etc.) instead of the bulkier generic tiers available now.

I don't see the cable companies getting into the a la carte business, they have too much to lose from that stable profitable business.  What you may start to see is a rise in non-traditional IP-only "networks" or collections of shows.  HBO is a potential wild card, having launched online-only subscriptions in Scandinavia recently (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/31/hbo-goes-online-only-in-scandinavia_n_1846613.html).

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   Posted: 1/10/2013 9:32:29 AM 
Not discussed in this thread is the fact that NBC will be paying big cash to broadcast the EPL.  So the need for NBC for find sports programming is not as great as inferred above.  Also opens up space on ESPN and FOX.  Not sure what happens to the FOX channels dedicated to soccer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/29/nbc-250m-english-premier-league-epl-broadcast-us 
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   Posted: 1/15/2013 6:19:19 PM 
MedinaCat wrote:
Not discussed in this thread is the fact that NBC will be paying big cash to broadcast the EPL.  So the need for NBC for find sports programming is not as great as inferred above.  Also opens up space on ESPN and FOX.  Not sure what happens to the FOX channels dedicated to soccer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/29/nbc-250m-english-premier-league-epl-broadcast-us 
Looking like FOX may consolidate the soccer onto their all-sports channel, and use Fox Soccer to create a sister to FX - http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-fox-soccer-entertainment-network-20130115,0,1751598.story

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