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I can see this causing major issues down the road. http://news.yahoo.com/sports-civil-disabled-us-says-05085... Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,880 Status: Offline     RE: OT:Sports are a civil right for disabled, US says    Posted: 1/25/2013 9:48:37 AM  FormerCat-Dad wrote: Just saw this new decision by US Dept. of Education. I can see this causing major issues down the road. http://news.yahoo.com/sports-civil-disabled-us-says-05085... While I am all for equality on this subject as much as possible, an honest question I have is are there enough disabled athletes to fill a roster at all 300+ D1 schools, let alone the other divisions?  How do you decide what sports will be sanctioned/offered?   The optimist in me likes to think the braintrust behind all of this is considering this but I just don't know.   It would be quite challenging/frustrating if schools invest in facilities/resources to provide these opportunities and there is not a demand for them.  Again I ask these questions for discussions sake, not to discount the merit of equality.  I had a cousin who was wheelchair bound with mental retardation and my mother has worked her entire career in special ed. so it is certainly near to my heart.  Ohio-The State University Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: OT:Sports are a civil right for disabled, US says    Posted: 1/25/2013 10:20:10 AM  An unfunded mandate from kumbaya land. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: OT:Sports are a civil right for disabled, US says    Posted: 1/25/2013 12:37:55 PM  This won't affect intercollegiate athletics. "Education Department officials emphasized they did not intend to change sports' traditions dramatically or guarantee students with disabilities a spot on competitive teams. Instead, they insisted schools cannot exclude students based on their disabilities if they can keep up with their classmates."  "Generally, Lissner said, as colleges review their policies, the effects would more likely be felt in intramural and club sports programs on campus than intercollegiate ones, Lissner said. That's because relatively few people can meet the standards to compete in intercollegiate sports, and nothing in the guidance requires a change in such standards. But the purpose of intramural and club sports is broader, and colleges may have to do more to ensure students with disabilities aren't deprived of a chance to compete." BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,472 Status: Offline     RE: OT:Sports are a civil right for disabled, US says    Posted: 1/25/2013 1:11:08 PM  DelBobcat wrote: This won't affect intercollegiate athletics. "Education Department officials emphasized they did not intend to change sports' traditions dramatically or guarantee students with disabilities a spot on competitive teams. Instead, they insisted schools cannot exclude students based on their disabilities if they can keep up with their classmates."  "Generally, Lissner said, as colleges review their policies, the effects would more likely be felt in intramural and club sports programs on campus than intercollegiate ones, Lissner said. That's because relatively few people can meet the standards to compete in intercollegiate sports, and nothing in the guidance requires a change in such standards. But the purpose of intramural and club sports is broader, and colleges may have to do more to ensure students with disabilities aren't deprived of a chance to compete." The key word there is "intend". If problems arise, it won't be due to the intended consequences of this(these) policy change(s), it will be a result of the unintended consequences, and the law suits sure to follow. Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: OT:Sports are a civil right for disabled, US says    Posted: 1/26/2013 2:49:00 PM  I can speak only for Ohio, which schools and tax structure I think I understand, when saying that schools and students are being pummeled by unfunded mandates.  All of them are well intended and no one with a caring heart would fight most of them - but there is a price.  You can't legislate programs into being and not expect it to be a financial burden.  Paying for public education is a zero sum game.  There is no new money, there is no revenue growth.  Somebody's going to pay. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: OT:Sports are a civil right for disabled, US says    Posted: 1/26/2013 5:46:22 PM  What will happen is that the programs will be put in place, and the costs will be placed under the Athletic Department, which will then show larger losses. When they need additional fee revenue to offset those costs, I expect that the fees will be blamed on football, and that you will see renewed efforts to eliminate it. That's the same as has happened with the Title IX mandate. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,598 Status: Offline     RE: OT:Sports are a civil right for disabled, US says    Posted: 1/27/2013 11:46:24 AM  Intercollegiate wrestling has always attracted athletes with disabilities. I wrestled 2 blind wrestlers in college and one of the Division I National Champions a couple of years ago only had 1 leg. N.J. has had similiar requirements for grammer and high schools for a few years. According to an article in yesterday's paper,one school in this area  has a bowler who uses a wheelchair and several schools have deaf athletes on their teams. Last Edited: 1/27/2013 11:47:36 AM by rpbobcat Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: OT:Sports are a civil right for disabled, US says    Posted: 1/28/2013 3:04:34 PM  rpbobcat wrote: Intercollegiate wrestling has always attracted athletes with disabilities. I wrestled 2 blind wrestlers in college and one of the Division I National Champions a couple of years ago only had 1 leg. N.J. has had similiar requirements for grammer and high schools for a few years. According to an article in yesterday's paper,one school in this area  has a bowler who uses a wheelchair and several schools have deaf athletes on their teams. Right, and all this is saying is that you have to provide resources necessary for those people to participate IF, and that is a big if, they can compete athletically. Most schools already do this. I don't think we'll have any issues. Like the article says, this will mostly affect club/intramural sports. 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