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Topic: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Topic: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

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Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 10:15:41 AM

Hustle Belt research shows that MAC teams made an average of $100,000 for ESPN TV last year. Is that $100,000 worth having so many week night games? Tough call in my book. I used to be against it. Then I learned that there are at least a couple recruits who have openly stated knowing who Ohio was via ESPN contributed to them considering Ohio in the recruiting process.

www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football/2013/2/19/3987550/mac-football-contract-espn

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 10:21:20 AM

OU_Country wrote:

Then I learned that there are at least a couple recruits who have openly stated knowing who Ohio was via ESPN contributed to them considering Ohio in the recruiting process.

Dingdingdingding

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 12:21:48 PM

If the MAC can't do better than $100k per school when the ESPN contract is renewed, I'd say ditch it. A couple of recruits isn't worth it. And, on the other hand, how many recruits are turned off when they see 95% empty stadiums when the MAC is shown all across the country. Those kids are saying I play in front of more people than that in high school! Further, what does the average person tuning in from Florida think when he sees all those empty seats? "Second class Conference"! Add in lost ticket sales and I really doubt the ESPN week night games are an overall positive.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 12:28:20 PM

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 3:44:10 PM

There was a big jump in the quality of MAC recruits at about a year after the mid-week games started. Now we are far enough down the road that those recruits are Seniors, and there is a big jump in MAC winning percentage against BCS games. Is it worth the cost? It isn't my call, but it isn't a case where there is nothing to show for it.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 3:45:48 PM

Hopefully that's per game?
Now you know why Temple was so eager to joining the dumpster fire of the Big East.
2 Million > $100k

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 5:34:49 PM

TUVideo Guy wrote:

Hopefully that's per game?
Now you know why Temple was so eager to joining the dumpster fire of the Big East.
2 Million > $100k

A TV contract is worthless when the conference implodes.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 6:32:50 PM

L.C. wrote:

I despise week night games. But, L.C. is likely accurate.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 10:20:35 PM

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How much more empty are these stadiums on week nights compared to weekends? How many people would you expect at Peden on a cold Saturday in November? Is it really that many less than the number that show up on a week night? And when it comes to other MAC schools, where the attendance is terrible even on nice weather Saturdays, then how much difference can it make?

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 10:59:23 PM

I don't like the November weekday night games. Last year I had the experience of going to a Saturday afternoon game at Marshall shortly after a weekday night game at Peden. The game in Athens was very cold, damp and the environment was just ugly (so was the game, but that's another story). The game in Huntington was on one of those November Saturdays where the sun is shinning brightly and as the game wears on the temps go up and everyone feels relatively comfortable. In short, it was a much better atmosphere and, even with the horrible year the Herd was having, the attendance was much better on that Saturday than the weekday attendance at the previous week's game in Athens. If only C-USA had a contract wtih ESPN, instead of the CBS Cable Sports, they would have had a good TV audience, as well. I suspect, though, that they get more in TV money than does Ohio and the MAC. TUVideoGuy has a good point about the lackluster nature of the MAC contract. On the other side of the argument, though, this year the MAC will be getting a good total payout because of NIU's appearance in the Orange Bowl. I don't believe a C-USA team has ever made it to a BCS Bowl, and soon the BE will be in the same boat as the MAC and C-USA when it comes getting into a regular BCS Bowl or the new Gang of Five vs. BCS Bowl.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/19/2013 11:05:45 PM

Which MAC teams draw best at home? Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan usually are at or near the top in attendance. Perhaps NIU too.

I'd love to see ESPN show only MAC mid-week games played at those schools.

Right, the other MAC schools would scream "Foul!"

In reply, a gutsy MAC commissioner could challenge those schools to build their home crowds to levels worthy of ESPN coverage.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 12:56:30 AM

OHIO FOOBALL on national tv is good for the country.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 4:57:49 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I don't like the November weekday night games. Last year I had the experience of going to a Saturday afternoon game at Marshall shortly after a weekday night game at Peden. The game in Athens was very cold, damp and the environment was just ugly (so was the game, but that's another story). The game in Huntington was on one of those November Saturdays where the sun is shinning brightly and as the game wares on the temps go up and everyone feels relatively comfortable. In short, it was a much better atmosphere and, even with the horrible year the Herd was having, the attendance was much better on that Saturday than the weekday attendance at the previous week's game in Athens. If only C-USA had a contract wtih ESPN, instead of the CBS Cable Sports, they would have had a good TV audience, as well. I suspect, though, that they get more in TV money than does Ohio and the MAC. TUVideoGuy has a good point about the lackluster nature of the MAC contract. On the other side of the argument, though, this year the MAC will be getting a good total payout because of NIU's appearance in the Orange Bowl. I don't believe a C-USA team has ever made it to a BCS Bowl, and soon the BE will be in the same boat as the MAC and C-USA when it comes getting into a regular BCS Bowl or the new Gang of Five vs. BCS Bowl.

Can you whine about anything else? If its not having a driver and limo picking you up at the hotel to take you to a ball game, it's the cold damp weather on a Wednesday night for a football game, or the comfort of the plastic chair backs.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 8:15:14 AM

I cannot help but think about something from a eulogy written for Dr. Jerry Buss by Bill Simmons this week. Here's the pertinent part:

"One time within the last couple of years, when the small-market owners were pushing hard for revenue sharing, Buss waited for everyone to make their case before weighing in. He mentioned how one owner had juggled multiple businesses over that time — making hundreds of millions beyond basketball — whereas Buss had thrown his life into running the Lakers. Now that owner wanted Buss to share his NBA profits with him? Buss maintained that he wasn’t against revenue sharing; if anything, he believed the idea made sense. But could they at least agree that, had the other owner devoted all of his time and resources to his team like Buss did, his franchise would be doing better? What if they struck a deal — all the full-time NBA owners shared their NBA profits, but only if the part-time NBA owners shared the profits from their other businesses with the full-time NBA owners?

The room fell silent. He had totally defanged the other owner — not to embarrass him, but to prove a point. If the league was gravitating toward revenue sharing, he just wanted to make sure it was for the right reasons, not because a handful of unsuccessful, part-time NBA owners were trying to game the system their way. And yes, Buss eventually agreed to revenue sharing. But he made everyone think about it, too."

Now, that makes me think in the MAC, we're the Lakers whereas Bowling Green, Eastern Michigan, maybe Buffalo are the teams and owners who are only part-time sports schools. It doesn't seem fair that OHIO can continue to grow and benefit the MAC and yet only see the same financial gains as EMU. The most fair system would be to have ESPN choose the games, but to only pay the schools that are put on the air. If BGSU, EMU, BSU want a cut of the pie, they need to get their team's performance up to grade. Otherwise, they'll be on the outside looking in.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 9:28:02 AM

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This makes a wonderful amount of sense.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 9:28:14 AM

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I cannot help but think about something from a eulogy written for Dr. Jerry Buss by Bill Simmons this week. Here's the pertinent part:

As does this.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 10:58:01 AM

UpSan, common sense tells me more people would attend a November game on a Saturday afternnon in Athens than on a Thursday night in Athens. You need to know your market and let's face it, Athens is an hour and a half to a two hour plus drive from any of the major cities in the State. I've gone to many of the Thursday night games by taking a half day off work and returning hjome late at night. Personally, I'd much rather make that trip on a Saturday afternnon that time of year!

Now, I am beginning to wonder if Athletics would rather I stay home and watch the game on TV as opposed to attending the game in person? I guess soon, the players will just play the game in empty stadiums and we will all just stay home and watch on TV. That sounds like a lot of fun.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 11:49:47 AM

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I think it makes less difference than you think. Attendance for the week night games at Peden was 16,789 and 19,122. There's not much to compare it to because Ohio didn't have any cold November games in Saturday, but the Buffalo game in early October had only 20,044.

Ball State's home game vs. Ohio had 10,097 on a Wednesday night. Sure that's pretty lame, but two weeks earlier, on a Saturday, in a huge game for them, they had 11,238 against NIU. So it wasn't really off from the norm.

NIU hosted Toledo on a week night and drew 17,813. The game before that, on a Saturday, NIU's attendance was 11,114. Of course, it being a huge game had a lot to do with why the week night game was way more than the weekend game.

Toledo got 18,211 for Ball State on a week night game. Again, no real good comparisons because Toledo played no cold November Saturday games but again, in early October, Toledo drew 19,247.

I really don't think the stadiums are much more empty than they usually are. The problem is they all are fairly empty on a regular basis.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 11:53:37 AM

BTC, there's a word for you, fortunately this is a family channel and I can't repeat it here. And, I don't use that kind of language anyway. But, boy do you tempt me!

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 12:35:09 PM

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BTC, there's a word for you, fortunately this is a family channel and I can't repeat it here. And, I don't use that kind of language anyway. But, boy do you tempt me!

"The game in Huntington was on one of those November Saturdays where the sun is shinning brightly and as the game wares on the temps go up and everyone feels relatively comfortable. "

Hey, you oil tender swabbie, is that the word you had in mind?????? ((Grinning like a GI grammarian here. Your spouse does red pen correct your writing, right??))

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 12:51:46 PM

oldkatz wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

BTC, there's a word for you, fortunately this is a family channel and I can't repeat it here. And, I don't use that kind of language anyway. But, boy do you tempt me!

Well, Mr. Grunt, unlike BTC, you do know what you're talking about. I'll make the correction. As Alan would say, only at bobcatattack.com do you get such close scrutiny not only of grammar but of word usage. I'll let you in on a little secret, if you don't tell anyone else on BA, my undergraduate major was broadcast journalism and over the air no one knows the difference between wears and wares!

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 2:26:28 PM

You probably had a face made for radio.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 4:15:31 PM

Seriously, and I was at a Miami vs Temple Thursday night game that drew about 600. I don't always believe the attendance figures since they add in the no shows. I am talking butts in stadium seats and how that fails the "eye test". Besides that, if we only get a couple thousand more paying folks at $15 per game for Saturday, the weeknight games become financial break evens. I'll stand by my comment that on TV during the week MAC stadiums look a lot more like high school stadiums to viewers for many if not most of the week night games. Especially if they are at Akron or EMU just to name two.

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RE: Hustle Belt discovery on $$$ made on ESPN TV by MAC schools

Posted: 2/20/2013 4:54:57 PM

You have to consider what effect TV is having on recruiting. That seems to be the MAC's interest.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 5:04:08 PM

I'm curious to know if there is a liquidated damages provision in the contract, and if so how much it is. It seems like if a better offer came along, it might be worth it to the conference to voluntarily breach its contract with ESPN.

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