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We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Posturing of the Day    Posted: 3/20/2013 12:59:36 PM  Jim Delany wrote: "Several alternatives to a 'pay for play' model exist, such as the Division III model ... These alternatives would, in my view, be more consistent with The Big Ten's philosophy that the educational and lifetime economic benefits associated with a university education are the appropriate quid pro quo for its student athletes." B1G Logic: The appropriate compensation for student athletes is a free education. If we're forced to provide more than a free education, we just won't provide a free education. Also, here is a fantastic bit of satire on this. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Posturing of the Day    Posted: 3/20/2013 1:38:19 PM  Cute. Largely inaccurate, but cute. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,061 Status: Offline     RE: Posturing of the Day    Posted: 3/20/2013 4:16:13 PM  Other conference coaches should start telling recruits that the Big 10 is talking about pulling all scholarships and going division 3.  After all, its true.  Hee hee..... I give Jim Delaney's comments a credibility score of ZERO.  Good grief. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,752 Status: Offline     RE: Posturing of the Day    Posted: 3/20/2013 7:46:37 PM  While the comments are bogus, the underlying idea that college players are never going to be paid to play is valid.  There are so many legal ramifications of this, including colleges losing tax exempt status, that it's not going to happen. Last Edited: 3/20/2013 7:47:23 PM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top The Pessimist General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Location: Allentown, PA Post Count: 145 Status: Offline     RE: Posturing of the Day    Posted: 3/25/2013 7:33:49 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: There are so many legal ramifications of this, including colleges losing tax exempt status, that it's not going to happen. Because paying the presidents, professors, ADs, coaches, assistant coaches, concession workers, ticket takers, janitors, etc etc etc doesn't threaten the tax exempt status? I'm not a policy wonk, just an average thinking Joe.  This claim that paying athletes would ruin the not-for-profit tax exempt status thing sounds fishy.  Big name schools hire big name professors for big bucks to attract big SAT scores, big tuition payments, and big research dollars from big corporations.  Does this hurt anyone's tax exempt status? Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,752 Status: Offline     RE: Posturing of the Day    Posted: 3/26/2013 6:22:40 PM  If you're running a pro or semi-pro athletics program, you are not in the business of education but in the business of making money through ownership of a football and/or basketball team.  Today there is a sometime tenuous connection between the student athlete and his or her institution.  Theorically, at least, the athlete is in school for an education and the athletics part is an extracurricular activity.   If you begin paying players that tenous line becomes severed.  Paying professors, janitors and presidents is in no way a comparison.  Those folks are at the university because they have a job there.  Being a student at an institution and being a full-time employee of the university is an entirely different thing.  You cannot retain amateur status if you are being paid for playing a sport.  If you were an employee (and the courts have ruled that student athletes are not employees) then you would have the right to strike, the right to collectively bargain, and the university becomes liable for your work-related actions.  And, then, there are the Title IX implications.  Even the University of Texas, with a $163 million in annual sports revenue, has said that they will not abide by a system that forces them to reduce their committment to non-revenue sports by having a pay-for-play systems for big revenue sports.  The UT AD and their women's AD issued a statment that said, in part, that Texas "has no interest in a model that would force us to professionalize two sports to the detriment of the balance of the athletics department's sports, fitness and educational programs."   In short this is a nice topic for water cooler and hot-stove league discussions, but it's actually never going to happen.  The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: Posturing of the Day    Posted: 3/27/2013 9:11:51 AM  +1  Besides all that, no one will ever get rich advising people on what the tax code implies about society and "right" (as opposed to how to job it).  What's obviously taxable today can be made non-taxable with a sweep of John Boehner's pen and vice versa.  There is no justice or logic in the Internal Revenue Code.  So, there is definitely a path to making monetary compensation to "student - athletes" tax free but that doesn't make it right. 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