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Chasflg
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  Message Not Read  Solich 45th best coach in FBS
   Posted: 4/23/2013 7:22:39 PM 
Sorry if this is a repost, I didnt see it mentioned anywhere.

Sporting News has Solich as the 45th best college football coach out of 125 FBS programs, and #1 in the MAC.


http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-04-2...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Solich 45th best coach in FBS
   Posted: 4/23/2013 9:36:01 PM 
Chasflg wrote:
Sorry if this is a repost, I didnt see it mentioned anywhere.

Sporting News has Solich as the 45th best college football coach out of 125 FBS programs, and #1 in the MAC.


http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-04-2...


I wonder who rated above him has accomplished anything like the transformation of Ohio 2004 to Ohio 2013?  Bill Snyder?

Last Edited: 4/23/2013 9:37:46 PM by Bcat2

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   Posted: 4/24/2013 9:24:45 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:
...I wonder who rated above him has accomplished anything like the transformation of Ohio 2004 to Ohio 2013?  Bill Snyder?

Many of them have. How about Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State, or Steve Spurrier at South Carolina, or Brian Kelly at Notre Dame? Ranking coaches is going to be subjective, but they seem to have put a lot of thought into it, and the coaches they have at top are generally agreed to be very good coaches. At the bottom the list is pretty uncertain because most of those are fairly short term head coaches, who are as yet unproven.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Solich 45th best coach in FBS
   Posted: 4/24/2013 9:56:20 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Many of them have. How about Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State, or Steve Spurrier at South Carolina, or Brian Kelly at Notre Dame?


You could arguably add Nick Saban to that list as well. Alabama did not have decades of futility like Ohio did, but the ten years or so before he arrived, they were not good (probation didn't help). And now they are the clear kings of college football. If you put last year's Alabama team against last year's Jacksonville Jaguars, with no point spread, would you bet against Alabama? I would not.
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   Posted: 4/24/2013 10:09:57 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
...I wonder who rated above him has accomplished anything like the transformation of Ohio 2004 to Ohio 2013?  Bill Snyder?

Many of them have. How about Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State, or Steve Spurrier at South Carolina, or Brian Kelly at Notre Dame? Ranking coaches is going to be subjective, but they seem to have put a lot of thought into it, and the coaches they have at top are generally agreed to be very good coaches. At the bottom the list is pretty uncertain because most of those are fairly short term head coaches, who are as yet unproven.aising


Gundy has had Boone Pickens, Kelly has had, well, ND.  Perhaps Fitzgerald at Northwestern.  Still Snyder and Solich rank as my top two for bringing programs from the bottom, not knowing how to spell winning, to winning bowls.

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   Posted: 4/24/2013 10:10:10 AM 
I know I am biased but personally I am more impressed by a coach who comes into a historically weak program at a lower level and revives it.  The allure is not as strong at a MAC school as a BCS school.  A place like South Carolina, as bad as they were, still had about half of the state's support in terms of fans, play in the SEC (which can be a draw in and of its self), and can can go from a 4-8 season to a 12-0 season and play in the National Championship game in nearly every instance-a "worst to first" scenario.  We could go 12-0 three consecutive years and maybe sniff a BCS game, but probably never the championship.  The fact that our coach was ranked #45 overall but #1 in our conference that shows how much he works against a stacked decked.  

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   Posted: 4/24/2013 10:21:53 AM 
C Money wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Many of them have. How about Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State, or Steve Spurrier at South Carolina, or Brian Kelly at Notre Dame?


You could arguably add Nick Saban to that list as well. Alabama did not have decades of futility like Ohio did, but the ten years or so before he arrived, they were not good (probation didn't help). And now they are the clear kings of college football. If you put last year's Alabama team against last year's Jacksonville Jaguars, with no point spread, would you bet against Alabama? I would not.


I would.  The major difference between college and the NFL are the offensive and defensive lines.  Even the guys that will eventually be very good pros on Alabama's roster would get eaten alive by guys that have been in an NFL weight training program for years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Solich 45th best coach in FBS
   Posted: 4/24/2013 11:34:38 AM 
crackerbaby00 wrote:
C Money wrote:

You could arguably add Nick Saban to that list as well. Alabama did not have decades of futility like Ohio did, but the ten years or so before he arrived, they were not good (probation didn't help). And now they are the clear kings of college football. If you put last year's Alabama team against last year's Jacksonville Jaguars, with no point spread, would you bet against Alabama? I would not.


I would.  The major difference between college and the NFL are the offensive and defensive lines.  Even the guys that will eventually be very good pros on Alabama's roster would get eaten alive by guys that have been in an NFL weight training program for years.


Jaguars DL: 20 sacks last season (worst in NFL), 141 rushing yards per game allowed (3rd worst in NFL), average starter size 6-3, 284 lbs.

Jaguars OL: 50 sacks allowed last season (3rd worst in NFL); 85.6 rushing yards per game (3rd worst in NFL); average starter size 6-4, 305 lb.

Alabama DL: 35 sacks last season, 79.8 rushing yards per game allowed (best in the nation), 6-4, 299 lbs.

Alabama OL: 23 sacks allowed last season, 224.6 rushing yards per game, average starter size 6-5, 315 lbs.
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