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anorris
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  Message Not Read  A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/3/2013 1:24:23 PM 
"MAC has an option to kick UMass out and get back to 12 members, but first must offer them all-sport membership."

"Now, is reporting that the MAC could exercise that option. What should UMass do? Where else could they park football?"

https://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart/status/341566794072469504
https://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart/status/341566997898866689
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   Posted: 6/3/2013 4:00:18 PM 
If we exercise this I hope it becomes the new league policy.  No more of this stepping stone membership junk.  

With the current look of the A-10 and who all will be leaving I don't think the MAC is as far down the line in quality as it was a few years ago.   Still probably stronger top to bottom but without Xavier, Butler etc. it drops a few pegs. 

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   Posted: 6/4/2013 12:01:38 AM 
Wow. I sure hope this is right, but wouldn't hold my breath. UMass brings nothing to the conference as a football-only member. They have no other viable options - either go "all in" or look for a new home. I'd be equally happy with either decision.

As much as it would be nice to get their basketball program (which, I'll also say, is a tad overrated)....the challenge of having 13 schools in all sports would be nothing short of a headache.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/4/2013 7:31:30 AM 
There should be some enticement (beyond money) for UMass to stay, mainly, adding another east coast team.  The obvious choice would be Army, but I'm not sure they want to jump from the Patriot League -- where they play Navy twice a year in b-ball.  Richmond or Duquesne also would be possibles, since they're both A10 b-ball schools.  So would Delaware or NH.  One from way out in left field is (get this) Bryant.  They started football 14 years ago and have won their conference twice and are often pretty competitive.  They have a small stadium (5500) but that's bigger than most EMU crowds.

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  Message Not Read  RE: A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/4/2013 8:43:36 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
There should be some enticement (beyond money) for UMass to stay, mainly, adding another east coast team.  The obvious choice would be Army, but I'm not sure they want to jump from the Patriot League -- where they play Navy twice a year in b-ball.  Richmond or Duquesne also would be possibles, since they're both A10 b-ball schools.  So would Delaware or NH.  One from way out in left field is (get this) Bryant.  They started football 14 years ago and have won their conference twice and are often pretty competitive.  They have a small stadium (5500) but that's bigger than most EMU crowds.


I wouldn't mind seeing Richmond, but they would need to almost double the capacity of their stadium in order to meet the attendance requirement for football. Schools need to average at least 15,000 a game every other season to stay in FBS. A lot of the non-BCS schools (like half the MAC) get around the requirement by buying the tickets themselves. However, if your stadium can't even hold 15,000, there's no way to fudge the numbers. That would also eliminate Duquesne, New Hampshire and Bryant without major stadium renovations or finding a bigger stadium.

Delaware's stadium is large enough, but I'd rather drop UMass in football than add them and Delaware in all sports.

Last Edited: 6/4/2013 8:44:30 AM by Tyler
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  Message Not Read  RE: A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/4/2013 9:43:56 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
There should be some enticement (beyond money) for UMass to stay, mainly, adding another east coast team.  The obvious choice would be Army, but I'm not sure they want to jump from the Patriot League -- where they play Navy twice a year in b-ball.  Richmond or Duquesne also would be possibles, since they're both A10 b-ball schools.  So would Delaware or NH.  One from way out in left field is (get this) Bryant.  They started football 14 years ago and have won their conference twice and are often pretty competitive.  They have a small stadium (5500) but that's bigger than most EMU crowds.


JMU would make sense. New stadium, making the leap in football, and geographically a decent fit (Athens and Harrisonburg aren't that far). However, I'm not sure that adding JMU does much to appease UMass.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/4/2013 10:01:54 AM 
UNH-decent AA program.  Had 24k for UMASS a couple of years ago.  Playing CMU this year to open.
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  Message Not Read  RE: A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/4/2013 10:14:03 AM 
James Madison does seem to have a similar profile to many of our universities in terms of size, state pecking order, etc.  Geographically they are not too far from our center and probably not much further than Buffalo for most schools.   Personally I would rather take a road trip to the Shenandoah Valley over the corn belt any day. 

It also appears that the MAC sanctions championships in all of the sports that they offer. 

My money is on them ending up in the Sunbelt if and when they pull the trigger on FBS football.  Not sure how reliable SB nation is, but FWIW: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/3/30/4165146/conference-realignment-wku-c-usa-jmu



Last Edited: 6/4/2013 10:15:06 AM by OUcats82

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  Message Not Read  RE: A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/4/2013 10:21:02 AM 
Bryant?? Really?? A 5,500 seat stadium is not going to cut it. Although it would be great for EMU.
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   Posted: 6/4/2013 1:44:57 PM 
bobcat72 wrote:
Bryant?? Really?? A 5,500 seat stadium is not going to cut it. Although it would be great for EMU.


Looks like they have room for expansion (or maybe they do 5500 sitting and 10,000+ standing):

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  Message Not Read  RE: A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/4/2013 5:10:44 PM 
I like UMass but they need to get in or get out and I'm totally ok with them getting out.

The biggest problem with the MAC currently is  Akron, EMU, Buffalo, and UMass.

Number of winning seasons since 1990-
EMU-1 (last 1995, 6-5)
Buffalo- 2 (last 2008, 8-6)
Akron- 6 (last 2005, 7-6)

These teams are so bad they usually only beat each other and FCS teams. UMass is no better. They don't have to start winning championships, or even go bowling regularly, but they do need to be able to win an OOC game and not roll over and get blown out by 40 on their paycheck games.

Losing UMass drops the number of dreadful teams down from 4 to 3.

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   Posted: 6/4/2013 5:25:06 PM 
perimeterpost wrote:
I like UMass but they need to get in or get out and I'm totally ok with them getting out.

The biggest problem with the MAC currently is  Akron, EMU, Buffalo, and UMass.

Number of winning seasons since 1990-
EMU-1 (last 1995, 6-5)
Buffalo- 2 (last 2008, 8-6)
Akron- 6 (last 2005, 7-6)

These teams are so bad they usually only beat each other and FCS teams. UMass is no better. They don't have to start winning championships, or even go bowling regularly, but they do need to be able to win an OOC game and not roll over and get blown out by 40 on their paycheck games.

Losing UMass drops the number of dreadful teams down from 4 to 3.


I'd be the last person in the world to defend Akron, but putting them in the same discussion as EMU is ludicrous.  I believe the Zips have one more modern-era MAC FB title than we do, their stadium is very nice and they are in a fairly large city.  If they start winning, they'll match our attendance.  Plus their BBall program is obviously quite competitive.
I feel dirty even writing it, but it's true.
 
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   Posted: 6/4/2013 5:28:36 PM 
perimeterpost wrote:
I like UMass but they need to get in or get out and I'm totally ok with them getting out.

The biggest problem with the MAC currently is  Akron, EMU, Buffalo, and UMass.

Number of winning seasons since 1990-
EMU-1 (last 1995, 6-5)
Buffalo- 2 (last 2008, 8-6)
Akron- 6 (last 2005, 7-6)

These teams are so bad they usually only beat each other and FCS teams. UMass is no better. They don't have to start winning championships, or even go bowling regularly, but they do need to be able to win an OOC game and not roll over and get blown out by 40 on their paycheck games.

Losing UMass drops the number of dreadful teams down from 4 to 3.


I don't have so much of a problem with Akron and Buffalo. Why did you choose to go all the way back to 1990?  
EMU, however...
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  Message Not Read  RE: A Couple Interesting Tweets Re: UMass
   Posted: 6/4/2013 5:46:37 PM 
And what was our margin of victory over UMass this year?
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   Posted: 6/4/2013 7:16:55 PM 
El Gato Roberto wrote:

I don't have so much of a problem with Akron and Buffalo. Why did you choose to go all the way back to 1990?  
EMU, however...

1990 was arbitrary, just grabbing a snapshot of the last couple of decades. Buffalo joined the MAC in 1992 and has had 1 winning season, where they had 8 wins. In the other 13 seasons they have a total of 31 wins, or 2.4/yr. You should have a problem with them.



SBH wrote:

I'd be the last person in the world to defend Akron, but putting them in the same discussion as EMU is ludicrous.  I believe the Zips have one more modern-era MAC FB title than we do, their stadium is very nice and they are in a fairly large city.  If they start winning, they'll match our attendance.  Plus their BBall program is obviously quite competitive.
I feel dirty even writing it, but it's true.
 


Akron isn't as bad long term as EMU, but is worse lately. Their location, facilities, coach, and bball team are irrelevant, this is about football performance. Three 1 win seasons in a row, only 6 wins in the last 4 years, only 1 was against a team other than Buffalo, EMU or FCS. Last road win was @EMU 10/18/08. You get the idea. It's one thing to be the worst team in the conference, its another thing to be the worst in all of FBS and lately Akron has been a contender for that crown.

Sure, Akron won a MAC Championship, in a year they finished 7-6. Buffalo won one too with an 8-6 record. Not exactly world beaters. More importantly, neither team has had a winning season since.

Akron(1992) and Buffalo(1998) are the MAC's 2 newest full time members and they have not contributed positively to the competitiveness of the league. To this point, and we're going on 14+ years, they are both bad football adds. UMass is in that same mold, it concerns me.

I do believe EMU is the most hopeless of the group but at the moment they are all equally terrible. As I said, they don't need to start winning championships, they just need to be able to compete and beat someone other than themselves and FCS teams.

If the MAC can get to a point where the top half keeps getting quality OOC wins and the bottom half (except EMU) can not go 1-3 or 0-4 in OOC every year then we'll be a very formidable Go5 conference.

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   Posted: 6/4/2013 7:42:06 PM 
UMass was good on the I-AA level.  They just need a few years to get it together on this level.
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   Posted: 6/4/2013 9:02:12 PM 
I predict If UMASS stays in the MAC they will win a MAC Championship in the next 5 years.
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   Posted: 6/4/2013 9:05:39 PM 
OCF MAC realignment plan:
Drop EMU
UMass for all sports
add: JMU and Delaware

Alternate Plan:
Just Drop EMU

Edit: I'd still like to see Ohio and Marshall in the same conference again, but right now that doesn't seem likely, unfortunately.  Maybe one day in the AAC.




Last Edited: 6/4/2013 9:09:15 PM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 6/4/2013 10:22:07 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
There should be some enticement (beyond money) for UMass to stay, mainly, adding another east coast team.  The obvious choice would be Army, but I'm not sure they want to jump from the Patriot League -- where they play Navy twice a year in b-ball.  Richmond or Duquesne also would be possibles, since they're both A10 b-ball schools.  So would Delaware or NH.  One from way out in left field is (get this) Bryant.  They started football 14 years ago and have won their conference twice and are often pretty competitive.  They have a small stadium (5500) but that's bigger than most EMU crowds.


JMU would make sense. New stadium, making the leap in football, and geographically a decent fit (Athens and Harrisonburg aren't that far). However, I'm not sure that adding JMU does much to appease UMass.


Between this and the post about U of R, possibly, my happy Virginian self is beaming. I'd love to have the Bobcats play in Bridgeforth against JMU or at UR. I would find all the money in the world to give the conference to make that happen.

Went a little too far west, let's go SJ Earthquakes!

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   Posted: 6/4/2013 11:03:51 PM 
Being the resident New England MAC/OHIO wonk, I would rather the 1/13th share of BCS money go to EMU to improve their program than have it go to UMASS and get to see the Bobs once every other year and hear the UMASS wonks whine about how their supposedly superior hoops team would be degrading themselves in all sports MAC membership with dragging their zero for fifteen NCAA tourney team to the MAC.  Temps redeux?  No thx.  Eff those guys.  I like the number 12.

Last Edited: 6/4/2013 11:05:04 PM by D.A.

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