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mckayt
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Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/24/2013 10:05:58 PM

What is the opinion of Ohio joining CUSA? It seems that the MAC schools are content with staying put, but what is the opinion of the fans of Ohio in regards to joining CUSA? I realize that you have recently been given bad news about your IPF and I wonder what your opinion is about the extra revenue that would be realized by moving to CUSA. I ask this question, as a Herd fan, because Herd fans seem to love the idea of being in a conference with Ohio.

Last Edited: 5/24/2013 10:21:24 PM by mckayt

Gallia Cat
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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/24/2013 10:23:51 PM

NO WAY!!!!!!!

PS? Did I miss something in regards to the IPF?

Last Edited: 5/24/2013 10:26:33 PM by Gallia Cat

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/24/2013 10:32:19 PM

In regards to the bad news, I was just going off of this thread:

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPage=2&ForumPID=6&PID=110221#FirstNew

Why the "NO WAY!!!!!" response? Is it because you think it simply won't happen and it would be easier to act like it would not be a good move or do you have some reasoning that proves it would not be a good move? I'm just asking the opinion of you as fans of Ohio Athletics, but at the same time wondering why you may not like the idea.

Last Edited: 5/24/2013 10:37:01 PM by mckayt

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/24/2013 10:51:05 PM

The appeal of moving to CUSA used to be that it was seen as a necessary stepping stone to get to the Big East, and the BE was seen the only realistic chance any former MAC school would ever have of getting into an AQ conference. But after realignment that is no longer the case.

The Big East no longer exists. The AAC is mix of undesirable Big East teams and their pick of CUSA teams. CUSA is now a mix of undesirable CUSA teams, their pick of Sun Belt teams, and a few FCS call ups. The Sun Belt is now a mix of Sun Belt undesirables, WAC undesirables, and 5 or more FCS call ups.

It wasn't that long ago when an invite from CUSA was too good for any MAC team to turn down. And up until about a year ago the money and AQ status were too good to refuse an offer from the Big East, in spite of all of the craziness they were going through. But Realignment has flattened the non AQ conferences to the point that any increases in TV revenue is not worth joining a less stable conference.

I like Marshall and wouldn't mind being in a conference with them again either. But with the way the landscape is today I would say there's a greater chance of Marshall joining the MAC then Ohio joining CUSA. And we both know there would be more than few Marshall fans that would not be pleased with a return to the MAC.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/24/2013 11:29:03 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Bingo!

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 9:56:58 AM

Perimeter nailed it. Within five or ten years the ACC, Big Tenfinity, Big 12ish, Pac 12 and SEC will figure out a way around the antitrust concerns, the Congressional concerns, the PR concerns and the money concerns and go play amongst themselves. They'll pick up schools like Cincy and UConn, but shut the door on the rest of us. They don't want us in their club. We'll be in the same boat as CUSA, so what's the point in moving?

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA (NT)

Posted: 5/25/2013 10:06:58 AM

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 11:18:59 AM

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START AN ENTIRELY BASELESS THREAD ABOUT OHIO MOVING TO A NEW CONFERENCE OR THE MAC CHANGING MEMBERS, PLEASE?!

BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH OF THESE AND THEY ARE SO CLOSE TO REALITY.

PLEASE. DO NOT BE RECALCITRANT. JUMP IN HERE.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 1:08:20 PM

Look at the footprint of the 2 conferences and let everybody figure out where Ohio belongs. Frankly Marshall as well

mckayt
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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 4:47:19 PM

No need to scream and use fancy words, Monroe. I was just asking, because it seems like the majority of the Marshall fanbase likes the idea of being in a conference with Ohio. Other people have responded and have answered my questions. Nobody forced you to read the thread or respond, so no need to get upset.

Before this new CUSA footprint shaped up, I could certainly understand the geographical issues and the reasoning because of that for Ohio to want to remain in the MAC. Herd fans like to travel south though and with CUSA having members in Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, North Carolina, and two members in Florida the conference is a fantastic fit geographically for Marshall and our fans. Also, we recruit those areas very heavily (especially Florida) and it makes sense for us to be playing teams in those states. Contrary to this, travel to such areas as northern Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois are not appealing to our fanbase for many reasons. Some of those reasons being as simple as the "northern" travel while other reasons being due to atmosphere, fan participation issues, tailgating, etc that are associated with the MAC. With Ohio University being a nice travel destination and a decent gameday experience, it only makes sense for Marshall fans to want to be associated with the Bobcats.

Either way, I was just asking the opinion of the fans. It appears that our two schools will continue to renew our yearly series anyway.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 6:12:04 PM

mckayt wrote:

Before this new CUSA footprint shaped up, I could certainly understand the geographical issues and the reasoning because of that for Ohio to want to remain in the MAC. Herd fans like to travel south though and with CUSA having members in Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, North Carolina, and two members in Florida the conference is a fantastic fit geographically for Marshall and our fans. Also, we recruit those areas very heavily (especially Florida) and it makes sense for us to be playing teams in those states. Contrary to this, travel to such areas as northern Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois are not appealing to our fanbase for many reasons. Some of those reasons being as simple as the "northern" travel while other reasons being due to atmosphere, fan participation issues, tailgating, etc that are associated with the MAC. With Ohio University being a nice travel destination and a decent gameday experience, it only makes sense for Marshall fans to want to be associated with the Bobcats.

The conversation is a Marshall perspective conversation. This would be like me going to the Toledo fan board and saying Rockets Joining MAC East. Then arguing that us Ohio fans like the MAC East because we get to play a road game up in the Cleveland market every year because those are the areas we recruit heavily. Since Toledo has a decent gameday experience, it only makes sense for Ohio fans to want to be associated with the Rockets. This is called begging in a very condescending manner and that is why you are getting the negative responses.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 7:14:21 PM

CUSA arguably used to be the better conference and at one time was on the verge of becoming an AQ conference. Not anymore. The teams that are staying were a combined 18-41 last season; only one (Rice, 7-6) had a winning record. The 1A teams coming in were 42-43 last year; ODU was 11-2 in 1AA; Charlotte has yet to play its first game in D1. Not very impressive. The MAC, on the other hand, was 81-84 last season; had the best record by a non-AQ conference vs. AQs; and put seven teams into bowl games last year, including one in a BCS bowl. The MAC seems to be on an upswing, while CUSA appears to be dead in the water, for now. No reason to think about moving at this time.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 7:36:55 PM

regarding travel preference by fans- I understand some of the southern destinations might be more sexy then the ones in the MAC but how many Marshall fans are really going on the road to Florida, Texas, Louisiana, etc. with any regularity? Seems like those trips would be few and far between for most fans.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 7:45:38 PM

mckayt wrote:

sounds like you don't like anything about the MAC anyway. Glad you like all those great things about travel to El Paso.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 8:08:46 PM

I would like to be back in a conference with Marshall. I have thought that WKY would be a good conference fit if the time were right. But we have a long, long history with Miami, BGSU, Kent State, Toledo, WMU, Ball State.....I don't see the point in changing just to change and I'm guessing that most of the other schools feel that way as well which makes it make even less sense to leave.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/25/2013 11:51:42 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Listen, I was just asking. I'm not trying to convince anybody. I was just asking. The travel numbers are in the thousands. If you go to Peden when the Herd rolls into town, than you know the answer to that question.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 12:16:39 AM

mckayt wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

Yes, I can guarantee that many of us on this board have been at Peden when Marshall came in 2011. You guys did bring 1000's, and that made for a great college football atmosphere. But Athens, Ohio is a little bit closer to Huntington than El Paso is. Im not trying to argue against you, but does Marshall draw that kind of attendance in Florida, Texas, etc. I think that is the question that Perimeter Post wants answered.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 7:23:57 AM

GoCatsGo wrote:

mckayt wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

In El Paso, no. Florida, not as much as Athens either.

Georgia, yes
East Carolina, yes
Virginia Tech, yes
South Carolina, yes

When we played Clemson in 1999, we had over 10,000 Herd fans make the trip. That is why I said earlier that Marshall fans like to travel south and the new makeup of the conference is a fantastic fit. Marshall will travel very heavily to Western Kentucky, Old Dominion, Middle Tennessee State, and Charlotte. We will travel that way to Kent State, Akron, Miami (Ohio), etc, too but it's just not that much fun of a destination as heading to Nashville, Charlotte, Virginia Beach, Miami (Real One), etc. That is why I asked if there would be any desire for Ohio to jump to the new CUSA. Again, I was just aking. LOL, not trying to rub your fur backwards.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 8:25:24 AM

Marshall is not currently traveling very well to Huntington these days compared to their glory days. Their fans are berating Doc as a coach and their AD for keeping him, off the field problems are rampant, comparing 10000 going to Clemson with the numbers going to see Florida Atlantic is a joke. Once the novelty wears off in these new locations and all the Marshall fans have expended their vacation budgets, we will see just how great CUSA sounds to Marshall. A problem with all this conference alignment stuff is the added travel time and expense IMO. I'd like to see the travel expense numbers . Frankly, Marshall should start winning again in this watered down conference, so then they can be the football powerhouse their fans think they should be.

Last Edited: 5/26/2013 8:29:38 AM by colobobcat66

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 10:12:02 AM

mckayt wrote:

Georgia, yes
East Carolina, yes
Virginia Tech, yes
South Carolina, yes

It's one thing to bring 1,000s to your BCS game. But no way you're bringing that many to Rice, UTEP, Southern Miss, etc.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 10:42:19 AM

It never fails, Herd fan posts something on the board, it then turns to.."Oh yea, well we travel awesome!". Inevitably the conversation further devolves to "Oh yea, well you guys only brought 12 people to the Joan!". Hopefully I've sped that process up so we can move on to another topic.

In it's current configuration and with the current BCS rules, there is zero advantage to being in Conference USA vs the MAC. I believe their TV deal currently produces more revenue, but that is offset by it being on Fox's family of channels so it reaches a smaller audience and less accessible. Hopefully with the MAC supposedly renegotiating our deal with ESPN that revenue gap will close as well.

I do like playing Marshall regularly. I hope that continues in both basketball and football.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 1:23:43 PM

Sorry I had to vent about Marshall. MAC fans can say all that want about their conference . I'd rather not hear fans of self ordained better conferences bash us.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 2:33:19 PM

I don't think mckayt was trying to stir the pot, his comments seemed sincere and its a fair topic for discussion during the slow part of the year.

It's hard to criticize Herd fans for not wanting to travel to MAC schools when they do it better than all the MAC schools currently do. One of the things I like the most about the MAC is the size of the footprint, I only wish we could develop a culture in all of the fanbases of traveling.

Our MAC away games this year are Akron and EMU on saturdays, and Buffalo and BG on Tuesday nights. I fully understand why even a die hard fan would look at that and say no thanks, but how awesome would it be if we could get 8K-10K Bobcat fans at those games? We could quite literally out number the home fans for at least 3 of those games.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 3:31:01 PM

I think there is a negative tone in every post he had so far. I don't need it.

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RE: Bobcats Joining CUSA

Posted: 5/26/2013 3:44:18 PM

I'm definitely not trying to stir the pot. I asked a sincere question trying to gauge the fan interest of joining CUSA. Several people on here for some reason wanted to take it that way, but in now way have my posts been geared toward that. The name Ohio University is constantly spewing from the keyboards and mouths of Marshall fans when it comes to discussing future schools that we wish would afffiliate with CUSA. My question has been answered. It is obvious that Ohio fans do not want that affiliation though. That's cool, I was just wondering. Now when that is brought up on our message board (www.herdfans.com), I will tell everybody that Ohio fans would never accept such a move and would rally in the streets to prevent a move like that ever happening.

In regards to our travel party; I didn't come here to stir that pot either. I said the affiliation that we now have with the new schools is a huge draw for our fanbase that likes to travel to nice destinations. Some people asked for numbers and I estimated our travelers. Those numbers aren't BS. On a drivable game, The Herd will take 3-5K fans. It's not just for BCS games (ECU is not BCS) either. It's just nice to hit the road during football season and enjoy a great tailgate in a fun destination, such as Athens. Everybody keeps bringing up El Paso. Well duh, that is halfway across the earth. That is why our new partners have some of us Herd fans so fired up and I just wanted to know where the Ohio fans now stood. Again, now I know. LOL.

Good luck and I can't wait until September. We owe a little payback and revenge. When we invade Peden this time, there won't be that horrible 44-7 tilt from 2011. At least not in favor of the Bobcats anyway. Go Herd!

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