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Rowdy Rufus
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 12:24:49 PM 
Now that's one way we could get the students to stay past half time.....

Seriously,
I know the Big Least does this.  I also recall seeing beer sales at Kent last year.  Anyone else in the MAC sell beer?
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 1:01:28 PM 
not just staying after halftime, but it seems like it would boost ticket sales in a big way for both fball and bball.  i'd love to see the convo at 90% capacity for every home game.
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 1:27:24 PM 
StroudsRunGoose wrote:
not just staying after halftime, but it seems like it would boost ticket sales in a big way for both fball and bball.  i'd love to see the convo at 90% capacity for every home game.


I seriously doubt the administration would ever allow beer sales for mid-week games in the Convo or Peden.  And for good reason.
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 3:03:49 PM 
I'm anti "party-school" reputation, but very pro beer sales at games. From what I've read on this board, I feel the main objection is the belief that students will be getting hammered at games. Provided a 12 oz. beer would likely costs over $6, students will likely consume maybe 1 beer a peice. Consider this, most happy hours at Court street beers will enable students to get more alcohol at a considerably lower price.

Example: Lucky's sells Liqour pitchers on Wednesdays for 5 dollars. One of those drinks are enough to catch a buzz. Two, and you're hammered. Very few, if any, students are going to forgo this deal to buy two bud lights at a game.

You know what Frank Solich likes most about coaching in the MAC? While he gets older, his coaching competition stays the same age, man.

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   Posted: 5/22/2013 3:32:52 PM 
As father of two college age sons, I disagree. My friends and I were stupid about alcohol back in 1979-83, but many of today's kids take stupid to a new level.  Much less mature, much less common sense.  Not just based on my own sons (who, thankfully, have grown up) but on my observations of MANY young people of similar ages, all from good homes. Selling beer to these kids in a university environment isn't appropriate, IMO.
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 3:47:05 PM 
SBH wrote:
As father of two college age sons, I disagree. My friends and I were stupid about alcohol back in 1979-83, but many of today's kids take stupid to a new level. Much less mature, much less common sense. Not just based on my own sons (who, thankfully, have grown up) but on my observations of MANY young people of similar ages, all from good homes. Selling beer to these kids in a university environment isn't appropriate, IMO.










I'm sorry for stepping on your lawn, but you'll never convince me that broke college students are going to spend $30 dollars on 5 bud lights. Especially when the bars in Athens are very cheep.

-Current college student

Last Edited: 5/22/2013 3:48:12 PM by Business_Cat

You know what Frank Solich likes most about coaching in the MAC? While he gets older, his coaching competition stays the same age, man.

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   Posted: 5/22/2013 3:51:31 PM 
Then go to the bars and not the football game.  Have fun.

Seriously, if students need to have beer available in order to justify attending a game, then I don't want them at the game.  

Last Edited: 5/22/2013 4:02:53 PM by SBH
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 4:03:45 PM 
Business_Cat wrote:


I'm sorry for stepping on your lawn, but you'll never convince me that broke college students are going to spend $30 dollars on 5 bud lights. Especially when the bars in Athens are very cheep.

-Current college student


And you don't think that they will not go to said cheap bars before the game, then come to the game where they know they can continue to drink (but not as much), why?

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   Posted: 5/22/2013 4:17:28 PM 
SBH wrote:
As father of two college age sons, I disagree. My friends and I were stupid about alcohol back in 1979-83, but many of today's kids take stupid to a new level.  Much less mature, much less common sense.  Not just based on my own sons (who, thankfully, have grown up) but on my observations of MANY young people of similar ages, all from good homes. Selling beer to these kids in a university environment isn't appropriate, IMO.









I'm guessing the beer sales would have little to no effect on the students for 2 reasons.  1, Very few of them are 21 years old.  2, (per the other persons post). Most won't pay $6 a beer when they can go get a case of Natural light (even under age) for $3
 

Last Edited: 5/22/2013 4:18:53 PM by Rowdy Rufus
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 4:45:08 PM 
I'm not going to take a position on this issue in this thread...but I will say that I guarantee you there will be a significant difference in fan behavior if alcohol sales are permitted.  I base that on what I see and hear in Quicken Loans Arena every year. 

If we are going to sell alcohol, we need to be ready to accept the attendant changes in behavior.
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 4:58:58 PM 
SBH wrote:
...Selling beer to these kids in a university environment isn't appropriate, IMO.


Except the university already sells alcohol to students at Latitude 39 (inside Baker Center) and at events at MemAud. I know these aren't as well attended as football/basketball games, but the precedent for selling booze to students is already there. I realize having a glass of wine with dinner is a lot different than drinking beers at a football game, but drinking beers at a show at MemAud is pretty similar to sporting events. At least at football/basketball games you can also buy food to balance out the alcohol. I don't believe MemAud sells any food, so that could be viewed as encouraging alcohol consumption even more than selling beer along with the concessions at Peden and the Convo.

I, like many others who have already posted, think this will have little impact on student attendance at games. Like others mentioned, students aren't going to be enticed with a $6 12oz beer when they can get a 32oz one on Court St for $2.50.

However, I think selling beer would be great for everyone else attending the games, the people who buy tickets and have more expendable income. Being able to have a beer or two at the games would be nice, and a good way to increase revenue. Just as long as we didn't mess it up like Minnesota did, and actually lose money.

Last Edited: 5/22/2013 5:05:28 PM by Tyler
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 5:11:59 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I'm not going to take a position on this issue in this thread...but I will say that I guarantee you there will be a significant difference in fan behavior if alcohol sales are permitted.  I base that on what I see and hear in Quicken Loans Arena every year. 

If we are going to sell alcohol, we need to be ready to accept the attendant changes in behavior.


Jeff, you mean people might actually look like they are enjoying themselves! 
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The Optimist
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 5:57:13 PM 
Not selling beer hasn't stopped students from showing up to Ohio football games lately. That said, not selling beer hasn't stopped students from drinking alcohol at games..

I don't think selling beer will cause any change in the record attendance we will see this season, so I don't think that is a logical reason to support this. I do think it could give athletics and the University some nice additional revenue. Personally, I feel the biggest benefit of this would be the amount it would disturb some local lawns. Does anyone else enjoy reading the letters to the editor complaining about those crazy college students these days? If you have never read these letters in local Athens papers, I highly recommend it.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 5/22/2013 7:51:18 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
Not selling beer hasn't stopped students from showing up to Ohio football games lately. That said, not selling beer hasn't stopped students from drinking alcohol at games..



I don't think you would see much of a difference in football games. Students have been drinking in Peden for about as long as it has stood there. It is much easier to sneak in and get away with there.

Basketball on the other hand could be a different story... or not...

Last Edited: 5/22/2013 8:40:55 PM by A-townBound

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   Posted: 5/22/2013 8:09:44 PM 
Tyler wrote:
SBH wrote:
...Selling beer to these kids in a university environment isn't appropriate, IMO.


Except the university already sells alcohol to students at Latitude 39 (inside Baker Center) and at events at MemAud. I know these aren't as well attended as football/basketball games, but the precedent for selling booze to students is already there. I realize having a glass of wine with dinner is a lot different than drinking beers at a football game, but drinking beers at a show at MemAud is pretty similar to sporting events. At least at football/basketball games you can also buy food to balance out the alcohol. I don't believe MemAud sells any food, so that could be viewed as encouraging alcohol consumption even more than selling beer along with the concessions at Peden and the Convo.

I, like many others who have already posted, think this will have little impact on student attendance at games. Like others mentioned, students aren't going to be enticed with a $6 12oz beer when they can get a 32oz one on Court St for $2.50.

However, I think selling beer would be great for everyone else attending the games, the people who buy tickets and have more expendable income. Being able to have a beer or two at the games would be nice, and a good way to increase revenue. Just as long as we didn't mess it up like Minnesota did, and actually lose money.


PLUS, by being able to buy beer at the game, i'd be able to drink cold beer later in the game, rather than the warm stuff I smuggled in hours earlier
(for the record, I'm an alum, not a current student)
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   Posted: 5/22/2013 10:49:24 PM 
The whole kids in this generation are garbage argument just doesn't hold any weight.  Generations are different, one is not worse than the other.  Tell a generation you think is great and I will tell you why they aren't.  The whole fans being too drunk or rowdy is a battle that is won or lost before the game starts.  The main argument for not selling alcohol is that it would bring too much negative attention to athletics from the campus entities that hate athletics.  
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   Posted: 5/23/2013 11:49:17 AM 
To all,
I may have miss represented the intent of this topic.
The comment about the kids staying past half time was ment to be a joke.....  I was primarily wondering if it would be considered at Peden.

Sorry for the confusion....
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   Posted: 5/23/2013 12:43:22 PM 
SBH wrote:
Then go to the bars and not the football game.  Have fun.

Seriously, if students need to have beer available in order to justify attending a game, then I don't want them at the game.  


Terrible reasoning, and I hope people in the marketing department don't feel this way. If you only want the die-hards to show up, don't be upset when you have terrible attendance figures. We need to figure out a way to get more of the fringe fans into the game, and if that's through alcohol sales then I'm all for it. 
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   Posted: 5/23/2013 1:45:18 PM 


What's the expected income from beer sales?  Including any sponsorship/advertising income possibilities?




Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 5/23/2013 3:17:41 PM 
We have terrible attendance figures? News to me.
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   Posted: 5/23/2013 4:58:36 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:


What's the expected income from beer sales?  Including any sponsorship/advertising income possibilities?


This the key question.  Winning and decent schedules drive attendence.  Beer sales would drive revenue.(IMO) 
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   Posted: 5/23/2013 6:00:37 PM 
the123kid wrote:
The whole kids in this generation are garbage argument just doesn't hold any weight.  Generations are different, one is not worse than the other.  Tell a generation you think is great and I will tell you why they aren't.  The whole fans being too drunk or rowdy is a battle that is won or lost before the game starts.  The main argument for not selling alcohol is that it would bring too much negative attention to athletics from the campus entities that hate athletics.  



I never said kids of this generation are garbage. I did state that they are less mature, in general, than earlier generations.  Just had a great example of this today.  I have a brand-new employee, fresh out of college, who approached me to complain that I announced this morning that everyone would get the afternoon off tomorrow to further extend the long weekend.  His complaint?  "My mom said it would have been nice for you to give me a little more notice so I could have made plans."  I gotta tell you, I wanted to throw him out on the street but simply bit my tongue.  My wife oversees several young employees, a few of whom were recently upset that they weren't permitted to leave the office to take advantage of a 2-hour afternoon VIP sale at Kohl's. I'm sure these college grads will some day realize how ridiculous their complaints were, but I doubt any of us ever would have contemplated such a thing.



Last Edited: 5/23/2013 6:02:09 PM by SBH
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   Posted: 5/23/2013 6:26:40 PM 
SBH wrote:
the123kid wrote:
The whole kids in this generation are garbage argument just doesn't hold any weight.  Generations are different, one is not worse than the other.  Tell a generation you think is great and I will tell you why they aren't.  The whole fans being too drunk or rowdy is a battle that is won or lost before the game starts.  The main argument for not selling alcohol is that it would bring too much negative attention to athletics from the campus entities that hate athletics.  



I never said kids of this generation are garbage. I did state that they are less mature, in general, than earlier generations.  Just had a great example of this today.  I have a brand-new employee, fresh out of college, who approached me to complain that I announced this morning that everyone would get the afternoon off tomorrow to further extend the long weekend.  His complaint?  "My mom said it would have been nice for you to give me a little more notice so I could have made plans."  I gotta tell you, I wanted to throw him out on the street but simply bit my tongue.  My wife oversees several young employees, a few of whom were recently upset that they weren't permitted to leave the office to take advantage of a 2-hour afternoon VIP sale at Kohl's. I'm sure these college grads will some day realize how ridiculous their complaints were, but I doubt any of us ever would have contemplated such a thing.





You seem to think the problem with your employees is a generational thing. Are you sure the problem with your employees doesn't have something to do with questionable hiring practices?

While I am currently a happily employed recent college graduate, I am always open to considering offers from those looking for more reliable help. I only ask for a reasonable pay raise and possibly guaranteed off days when the Ohio Bobcats have mid-week football games so I can catch some MACtion!

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 5/23/2013 8:43:01 PM 
SBH wrote:
the123kid wrote:
The whole kids in this generation are garbage argument just doesn't hold any weight.  Generations are different, one is not worse than the other.  Tell a generation you think is great and I will tell you why they aren't.  The whole fans being too drunk or rowdy is a battle that is won or lost before the game starts.  The main argument for not selling alcohol is that it would bring too much negative attention to athletics from the campus entities that hate athletics.  



I never said kids of this generation are garbage. I did state that they are less mature, in general, than earlier generations.  Just had a great example of this today.  I have a brand-new employee, fresh out of college, who approached me to complain that I announced this morning that everyone would get the afternoon off tomorrow to further extend the long weekend.  His complaint?  "My mom said it would have been nice for you to give me a little more notice so I could have made plans."  I gotta tell you, I wanted to throw him out on the street but simply bit my tongue.  My wife oversees several young employees, a few of whom were recently upset that they weren't permitted to leave the office to take advantage of a 2-hour afternoon VIP sale at Kohl's. I'm sure these college grads will some day realize how ridiculous their complaints were, but I doubt any of us ever would have contemplated such a thing.





So you hired one ungrateful kid and somehow that proves the entire generation is less mature than earlier generations? Right...
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   Posted: 5/23/2013 9:31:19 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
SBH wrote:
the123kid wrote:
The whole kids in this generation are garbage argument just doesn't hold any weight.  Generations are different, one is not worse than the other.  Tell a generation you think is great and I will tell you why they aren't.  The whole fans being too drunk or rowdy is a battle that is won or lost before the game starts.  The main argument for not selling alcohol is that it would bring too much negative attention to athletics from the campus entities that hate athletics.  



I never said kids of this generation are garbage. I did state that they are less mature, in general, than earlier generations.  Just had a great example of this today.  I have a brand-new employee, fresh out of college, who approached me to complain that I announced this morning that everyone would get the afternoon off tomorrow to further extend the long weekend.  His complaint?  "My mom said it would have been nice for you to give me a little more notice so I could have made plans."  I gotta tell you, I wanted to throw him out on the street but simply bit my tongue.  My wife oversees several young employees, a few of whom were recently upset that they weren't permitted to leave the office to take advantage of a 2-hour afternoon VIP sale at Kohl's. I'm sure these college grads will some day realize how ridiculous their complaints were, but I doubt any of us ever would have contemplated such a thing.





So you hired one ungrateful kid and somehow that proves the entire generation is less mature than earlier generations? Right...


Not at all.  He simply used this as an example.  Those of us in positions of business authority could tell you stories like this until the sun comes up - next Wednesday.   First problem is this kid's mom.  The second is his audacity to relate his mom's feelings to the boss.  And the third is his feelings or maybe his mom's that the world revolves around his schedule.
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