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Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,213 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/21/2013 12:08:22 PM  Pataskala wrote: This may have been discussed elsewhere but here's an interesting article on the NCAA's study on moving from 1AA to 1A.  The major downside is that expenses go way up, but for some it's offset by the exposure and solidifying the perception that other sports compete on the D1 level.  Apparently, one drawback to the FBS and FCS labels was that many do not perceive FCS as being D1. in my mind this is the key paragraph: So why reclassify?  "For me, at the end of the day, it's the exposure for our university and growing our university," said Kleinlein, referencing the increased opportunities to play other FBS schools and garner more television coverage.  The question this raises is - what is the quantifiable value of that exposure?  I was on vacation in San Francisco and Napa last week and with the weather out there, had my light OU wind jacket on a couple of times.  A fellow from Wisconsin said, "we sure enjoyed your win over Michigan last year."  Of course that brought a smile to my face and a "so did we" response but unless that brand recognition leads to increased donations from otherwise unconnected individuals or increased applications from highly qualified candidates, what is the value of that increased recognition?  Perhaps it is what Love said in another thread, the increased intrinsic value of an OU degree.  It's a tough debate but as this article suggests, a fair one.   Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,547 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/21/2013 12:44:42 PM  There are sports fans who know the difference between us and nuts, and there are the uneducated masses who don't know and don't care. Their world is pretty simple, don't confuse them by letting them know the difference. I wouldn't expect non-OU people to ever be big contributors to the school. OU grads have to earn respect in the marketplace to get support from non-OU people, but again most of them are going to support their own schools. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,439 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/21/2013 1:03:39 PM  A couple of them that have moved up recently have seemed to make the most sense: UTSA and Georgia State. Both are in major, major metropolitan areas (San Antonio and Atlanta, respectively). Georgia State will have to compete with Georgia Tech, unfortunately, but I think UTSA is the only major school in San Antonio, which is #7 on the latest list of population leaders in U.S. cities. UTSA went I think 9-3 or 8-4 last season in their first year in the WAC, albeit they were playing mostly FCS schools still mixed in. Both are also in red hot recruiting beds. These programs will be around for a while and probably succeed. Last Edited: 6/21/2013 1:08:42 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top DayvidGallagher General User Member Since: 7/28/2010 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 206 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/21/2013 1:09:35 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: There are sports fans who know the difference between us and nuts, and there are the uneducated masses who don't know and don't care. You may not have had the same confusion as I did but just to clarify:  The person was referencing our BBall win over Michigan, not mistaking us for OSU who beat Michigan in Football. “The thing that gets lost in the deal is we’re Ohio University. We’re Ohio. We liked to be referred to as Ohio. That’s who we are." - John Groce Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,547 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/21/2013 1:24:07 PM  DayvidGallagher wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: There are sports fans who know the difference between us and nuts, and there are the uneducated masses who don't know and don't care. You may not have had the same confusion as I did but just to clarify: The person was referencing our BBall win over Michigan, not mistaking us for OSU who beat Michigan in Football. . Yeah, I missed that, I thought you were talking about football. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/21/2013 1:55:12 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Pataskala wrote: This may have been discussed elsewhere but here's an interesting article on the NCAA's study on moving from 1AA to 1A.  The major downside is that expenses go way up, but for some it's offset by the exposure and solidifying the perception that other sports compete on the D1 level.  Apparently, one drawback to the FBS and FCS labels was that many do not perceive FCS as being D1. in my mind this is the key paragraph: So why reclassify?  "For me, at the end of the day, it's the exposure for our university and growing our university," said Kleinlein, referencing the increased opportunities to play other FBS schools and garner more television coverage.  The question this raises is - what is the quantifiable value of that exposure?  I was on vacation in San Francisco and Napa last week and with the weather out there, had my light OU wind jacket on a couple of times.  A fellow from Wisconsin said, "we sure enjoyed your win over Michigan last year."  Of course that brought a smile to my face and a "so did we" response but unless that brand recognition leads to increased donations from otherwise unconnected individuals or increased applications from highly qualified candidates, what is the value of that increased recognition?  Perhaps it is what Love said in another thread, the increased intrinsic value of an OU degree.  It's a tough debate but as this article suggests, a fair one.   Alan, as you know, you and I have not always been completely on the same page in this debate.  But your post here is very fair and I think you raise good points about analyzing this question.   Back to Top David E Brightbill General User Member Since: 9/5/2005 Post Count: 113 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/21/2013 10:25:19 PM  Applications have set records the last two years, out of state applications have almost doubled and out of state enrollment is up significantly. This years freshman class will in all likelihood exceed the goal established for the Fall which was higher than last year. At the same time our average ACT score exceeded 24 last year and will probably be the same or very slightly higher this year. This while other public 4 year universities in Ohio are dealing with declining enrollments. The marketing department and the strategic enrollment staff are doing a great job but it is hard to believe that our recent success in athletics isn't playing a very significant role in this success. Back to Top The Pessimist General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Location: Allentown, PA Post Count: 145 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/21/2013 10:35:04 PM  Let's not forget the ego factor.  In business we worry about the Benjamins.  Short of founding a company, there aren't too many big shots who go down in the annals of history.  Even then, does anyone remember who Mr Proctor or Mr Gamble were? In academia, every building is named after someone who did something for the university.  Every building has a name.  So do scholarships, professorships, colleges.  Even wings of buildings.  I bet somewhere there's a crapper named after someone (well.. besides Thomas Crapper). If you take your university to the promised land (say, UBuff to THE State University of New York at Buffalo), you're gettin' your name slapped on something.  Every President wants that.  Alden, Ping, Baker, etc etc.  I think Glidden even got his name on N700U, the Glidden Memorial King Air.  Books, gym rats, freshmen who haven't discovered beer yet, or 1700 horsepower in twin turbine engines... who's laughing now? Back to Top Hawaiian Bobcat General User Member Since: 1/31/2005 Location: Wailuku, HI Post Count: 334 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/22/2013 4:51:09 AM  There is a direct correlation between high profile athletic success and increase applications.  I took econ 318 which was a sports economics class at OU.  I remember specifically the professor talking about an enormous spike in applications after NC State won the 1983 NCAA tournament.  There are plenty of other examples that also hold the theory true.  I am willing to bet FGCU will have a huge application increase.  Higher caliber students will make the campus look more attractive for professors to teach and will help the University receive more grants for academics.  Most importantly this will ultimately improve the Classics department. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/22/2013 8:53:30 AM  hawaiian bobcat wrote: There is a direct correlation between high profile athletic success and increase applications.  I took econ 318 which was a sports economics class at OU.  I remember specifically the professor talking about an enormous spike in applications after NC State won the 1983 NCAA tournament.  There are plenty of other examples that also hold the theory true.  I am willing to bet FGCU will have a huge application increase.  Higher caliber students will make the campus look more attractive for professors to teach and will help the University receive more grants for academics.  Most importantly this will ultimately improve the Classics department. I also did an analysis of changes in University Endowments, and it is clear that schools with academic success are seeing significantly more general donations that those without it. A few top universities like U. Chicago and MIT do fine in this regard without athletics, but below those top schools it is a very different story. Endowment growth is critical to the long term health of a University. Odd as it may seem, athletic success may well help the Classics department in more ways that one, because it may lead to more endowment, and better students. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,213 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/22/2013 9:47:33 AM  David E Brightbill wrote: Applications have set records the last two years, out of state applications have almost doubled and out of state enrollment is up significantly. This years freshman class will in all likelihood exceed the goal established for the Fall which was higher than last year. At the same time our average ACT score exceeded 24 last year and will probably be the same or very slightly higher this year. This while other public 4 year universities in Ohio are dealing with declining enrollments. The marketing department and the strategic enrollment staff are doing a great job but it is hard to believe that our recent success in athletics isn't playing a very significant role in this success. Good points David and certainly backed up with measurable numbers.  Just out of curiosity have we seen a similar decline in the number of incoming freshmen having to take remedial classes?  One would think that as average ACT scores increase (assuming that they are a true measure of academic preparation and not just padded by an increase in the number of students taking test prep courses), the number of students admitted who need remediation would decrease. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,171 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/22/2013 9:53:04 PM  GoCats105 wrote: A couple of them that have moved up recently have seemed to make the most sense: UTSA and Georgia State. Both are in major, major metropolitan areas (San Antonio and Atlanta, respectively). Georgia State will have to compete with Georgia Tech, unfortunately, but I think UTSA is the only major school in San Antonio, which is #7 on the latest list of population leaders in U.S. cities. UTSA went I think 9-3 or 8-4 last season in their first year in the WAC, albeit they were playing mostly FCS schools still mixed in. Both are also in red hot recruiting beds. These programs will be around for a while and probably succeed. Everything is market based now. The days of the conferences being primarily an academic and regional consideration are over. With the small market if Ohio wasn't in the MAC I don't know if the school would be accepted to move up. You've got to wonder what our potential is in a small market 60 miles away from a school that draws 100,000. Ole Miss has a market our size and they draw 55,000 but in a state with zero pro competition and playing in the SEC West where 10,000 visiting fans can be expected to travel. A while back before the SEC West became a dominant division attendance was under 40,000. Marshall in a far bigger market than Ohio only drew 24,000 last season in a far nicer stadium. It leaves me questioning the potential at Ohio when even the Texas State Bobcats have a stadium beyond the potential of Peden. Last Edited: 6/22/2013 9:55:37 PM by TWT Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,171 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/22/2013 10:12:17 PM  David E Brightbill wrote: Applications have set records the last two years, out of state applications have almost doubled and out of state enrollment is up significantly. This years freshman class will in all likelihood exceed the goal established for the Fall which was higher than last year. At the same time our average ACT score exceeded 24 last year and will probably be the same or very slightly higher this year. This while other public 4 year universities in Ohio are dealing with declining enrollments. The marketing department and the strategic enrollment staff are doing a great job but it is hard to believe that our recent success in athletics isn't playing a very significant role in this success. School admissions are supply and demand. What Ohio's done is improved its quality while keeping the same price point as the other state schools. There are 3 major projects going on this summer (IPF, Richland Bridge, knocking down Wolfe St apartments) that are taking the feel of South Green up a notch. The school has renovated campus since the 90's with top notch architecture. No question that the Athens economy has picked up since the mid 90's.  Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/23/2013 12:41:16 AM  Don't we have an advantage on the back end, also?  I don't know if there are studies on this, but I'll bet that we are at the very top for 'happiness with the experience' for those who graduate for Ohio University Athens Ohio. So, pride of graduation/experience gets carried forth, building recognition which, in turn, can help attract newbies to enroll.  Then, the newbies get a solid education and enjoy the experience and spread the word more, attracting more newbies, etc, etc. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! 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My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,596 Status: Offline     RE: Moving from 1AA to 1A    Posted: 6/23/2013 8:15:14 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: GoCats105 wrote: A couple of them that have moved up recently have seemed to make the most sense: UTSA and Georgia State. Both are in major, major metropolitan areas (San Antonio and Atlanta, respectively). Georgia State will have to compete with Georgia Tech, unfortunately, but I think UTSA is the only major school in San Antonio, which is #7 on the latest list of population leaders in U.S. cities. UTSA went I think 9-3 or 8-4 last season in their first year in the WAC, albeit they were playing mostly FCS schools still mixed in. Both are also in red hot recruiting beds. These programs will be around for a while and probably succeed. Everything is market based now. The days of the conferences being primarily an academic and regional consideration are over. With the small market if Ohio wasn't in the MAC I don't know if the school would be accepted to move up. You've got to wonder what our potential is in a small market 60 miles away from a school that draws 100,000. Ole Miss has a market our size and they draw 55,000 but in a state with zero pro competition and playing in the SEC West where 10,000 visiting fans can be expected to travel. A while back before the SEC West became a dominant division attendance was under 40,000. Marshall in a far bigger market than Ohio only drew 24,000 last season in a far nicer stadium. It leaves me questioning the potential at Ohio when even the Texas State Bobcats have a stadium beyond the potential of Peden. If Ohio's market is just Athens or SE Ohio, we have no shot at moving up. Fortunately, we have the potential to have the entire state of Ohio as our market. The biggest asset we have at this school is our name. We are O-H-I-O. Not SE Ohio State or Athens College. Yes, we are located in (beautiful) Southeastern Ohio... But where do we get most of our students from? The 3 C's. Yes, Ohio State has a stranglehold on the sports market right now. We are gaining though, and fast. If I wasn't going to the Louisville game, I bet I'd have multiple options to watch the game up here in Cleveland..  We are not centrally located like State is, but we are still Ohio. I've seen crazier things happen. 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