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Topic: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

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Pataskala
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NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/2/2013 8:42:44 PM

According to SI, he wants the schools to work it out. Looks like it'll be just a matter of time.

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/2/2013 9:15:35 PM

If anything, college athletics are going to be de-emphasized over the next few decades. We are one or two more Miami of Florida scandals away from a public demand for scaling back big time athletics. Building semi-pro teams on college campuses has already reached about its zenith IMHO. Creating a "super division" would just end all pretense of amateurism, which is not what even the big time programs really want to do. In addition to those factors this will be fought not only by the Gang of 5 Conferences but also by those schools with big time basketball and either no football or FCS or lower football. Then there's the anti-trust implications. This thing is really thorny, and I don't expect anything like a "supper division" in the NCAA any time in the foreseeable future.

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/2/2013 9:31:42 PM

OCF, I often agree with you on things but I must disagree here. More likely, it is just a matter of time before there are only 60 or so super schools with scholarship football and everybody else will be basically D3 type schools. Part of the reason for this is the smaller number of younger kids playing the game and the whole concussion/injury thing. In addition, just look at the growth of lacrosse, rugby and soccer at the high school level. I would say it is just a matter of time and if you don't have 50,000 seats and at least a $50 million budget (todays dollars) you won't survive.

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/3/2013 3:26:42 AM

Maybe. But it could also be argued that the advent of constant and ubiquitous media has provided more opportunities for players. Better coaching, more chances to develop. Such that more schools than ever can compete. The top 4-6 teams are probably uniquely good. The 60 or schools (or more) after that all can well compete with each other on most any weekend.

I know some will disagree, but if injuries don't cream us last year, we make some significant noise. A lot of teams have that type of potential....In contrast, 20 or so years ago, the top 20-30 or so teams were world's better than the rest of the crop.

This will upset such as Oz, but these days 2-3 teams can give columbus a game in a given year. Years ago, once in a while a MAC team could play with them.

Last Edited: 6/3/2013 3:27:47 AM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/3/2013 7:09:17 AM

I have to think that this will ultimately happen. There is just too much money at stake for it not to happen . The conference realignment of teams and the demise of the Big East were the first big steps in this process. The big leagues are continuing to control the bowls more and more. The next steps include gradually dropping the non- major schools from their schedules. The big leagues and even teams are getting huge TV contracts outside the NCAA contracts. Then they will allow expense money to the athletes -ie-pay. It has all the momentum in the world. They will throw the outside teams a financial bone to keep them happy ( and keep the lawyers at bay) and ride off into the sunset with 95% of the money. At least that's my opinion.

Last Edited: 6/3/2013 7:11:27 AM by colobobcat66

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/3/2013 7:24:46 AM

I agree that it's inevitable. They'll figure out the anti-trust, PR and money concerns and create their own world without us. But somebody on the national level has to point out the fallacy of their argument that they play tough schedules week in and week out, unlike the G5 teams. If you look at any ranking service, you'll find a goodly number of "power conference" schools in the bottom third of 1A. The Orlando Sentinel has nine of them in the bottom 40 (Colo, BC, Kansas, UK, Syracuse, Cal, TxTech, Iowa St & Wake). Sagarin usually has one or more of them ranked lower than some 1AA schools; the last Sagarin for 2012 had NDakSt at 35, ahead of 34 "power conference" teams). Most "power conferences" have their share of cupcakes.

I think the key to all this will be placating Notre Dame. They won't want to join a conference, but will need to be in the mix for the big kids' national championship. Will aligning themselves with a conference be enough to get in the mix for an at-large bid in the playoffs (it looks like the playoffs will soon expand to eight teams; my guess would be the champs of the five "powers" and three at-large)?

Last Edited: 6/3/2013 8:56:23 AM by Pataskala

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/3/2013 8:03:50 PM

The B1G+2-and-counting is on record as opposing any plan to pay players. Also, according to sources in Cowtown A&M is not in favor of a super NCAA division. The new expanded B1G+ will be a super conference but that's no super division. The B1G+, for all of its faults and hypocrisies, does actually put some emphasis on academics. More than any other league the B1G+ is an academic as well as a athletic organization -- after all the University of Chicago is still a member!

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/4/2013 10:15:04 AM

A lot of the new division talk isn't just for the ACC, SEC, PAC-12, Big XII and Big Ten. There is interest in including the G5 leagues in that and the top basketball leagues like the Big East, A10, WCC and Big West. Ivy League I could see due to their performance in Olympic Sports. A new Division 1 with 15 conferences and 180 teams for basketball that wouldn't have so many automatic bids and conferences with voting rights.

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/4/2013 1:50:24 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Wikipedia says they haven't been a member since 1946. That was about the time the Manhattan Project ended. Maybe their Big 10 membership was just a cover to fool the Rooskies.

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Posted: 6/4/2013 8:01:15 PM

It's my understanding that Chicago still maintains some kind of academic affiliation with the Big Ten and that they never actually withdrew from the B1G but that they indefinitely suspended athletic competition. My father was a UC grad and he was there when the de-emphasis of football began and it was dropped soon after he graduated, so perhaps I've absorbed some legend along with the facts in this situation.

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/4/2013 9:06:32 PM

Pataskala wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Wikipedia says they haven't been a member since 1946. That was about the time the Manhattan Project ended. Maybe their Big 10 membership was just a cover to fool the Rooskies.

I do hope you know the Manhattan Project wasn't aimed at "the Rooskies."

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/4/2013 11:12:36 PM

Pataskala wrote:

According to SI, he wants the schools to work it out. Looks like it'll be just a matter of time.

So will the top 60 schools be willing to forego a fifth or sixth home game for a roadie against, for example, Ohio State or LSU? I think not. Even if there is a new, second tier, the top 60 need some way to guarantee their extra one or two home games, and those aren't coming against the bottom tier of the top 60 teams. I believe this situation will not change the landscape significantly from the present state. Can you see Vandy or Indiana only playing four home games so Bama or tOSU can have eight? I can't.

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/4/2013 11:14:11 PM

SBH wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Wikipedia says they haven't been a member since 1946. That was about the time the Manhattan Project ended. Maybe their Big 10 membership was just a cover to fool the Rooskies.

I do hope you know the Manhattan Project wasn't aimed at "the Rooskies."

Yes, I know. I just felt like saying "Rooskies" instead of "Krauts." And, frankly, we didn't trust Stalin, either.

Last Edited: 6/4/2013 11:15:13 PM by Pataskala

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/5/2013 3:27:13 PM

D.A. wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

According to SI, he wants the schools to work it out. Looks like it'll be just a matter of time.

The most likely scenario is a new Division. Division 1-$$$ and then Division 1a and 1aa. So all the people that want Ohio to drop down to FCS/Div 1aa could get their wish. Just like how teams play lower division games, the big boys will still play the smaller schools to get there 7/8 home game schedule.

The only problem is how they handle basketball.

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/7/2013 11:09:06 PM

The only problem with this scenario is that all the negotiations on the 4-team playoffs and the payoffs to the Gang of 5 Conferences (MAC, C-USA, MWC, AAC, and SBC) are going the other way. The general direction seems to be to build a wall not between AQ and non-AQ FBS teams, but between FBS and FCS so as to make upward mobility from FCS much more difficult in the future.

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RE: NCAA Prez ok with "power" school subdivision

Posted: 6/9/2013 7:37:48 PM

Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do..........

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