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Topic:  No money-hog redshirts
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Pataskala
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  Message Not Read  No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/3/2013 10:33:08 AM 
The D1 money-hogs who want special treatment because they're rich and powerful should also give back something to help make recruiting fairer.  I'd suggest doing away with their redshirting.  Players for these schools should get no more than four years of eligibility.  Not even medical redshirts; if a player gets hurt, too damn bad. Don't let them keep talent on the shelves.  Give other schools a chance at 3+ star talent.  A comedian's response to the question "What do women want" was "It all."  It's the same for the money-hogs.  But there should be some give and take here.  Put clamps on their redshirting.


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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/3/2013 12:06:55 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
The D1 money-hogs who want special treatment because they're rich and powerful should also give back something to help make recruiting fairer. I'd suggest doing away with their redshirting. Players for these schools should get no more than four years of eligibility. Not even medical redshirts; if a player gets hurt, too damn bad. Don't let them keep talent on the shelves. Give other schools a chance at 3+ star talent. A comedian's response to the question "What do women want" was "It all." It's the same for the money-hogs. But there should be some give and take here. Put clamps on their redshirting.



Smacks of socialism!
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The Situation
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/3/2013 3:23:48 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
The D1 money-hogs who want special treatment because they're rich and powerful should also give back something to help make recruiting fairer. I'd suggest doing away with their redshirting. Players for these schools should get no more than four years of eligibility. Not even medical redshirts; if a player gets hurt, too damn bad. Don't let them keep talent on the shelves. Give other schools a chance at 3+ star talent. A comedian's response to the question "What do women want" was "It all." It's the same for the money-hogs. But there should be some give and take here. Put clamps on their redshirting.



Smacks of socialism!


Socialism can never work in life because of generational momentum. (If we all start at time zero with a level playing field, the children of parents who made strong choices, even if by chance, have an instant advantage.)

But college athletics can operate as a highly functioning form of socialism because of one thing, the participant turnover. College athletics has a restart button every year so to speak when kids graduate. That reduces momentum in a much more predictable, sizeable manner that makes it even possible to pursue such a business model.

If I know anything about socialism, one of the first places to start wouldn't be regulating redshirting, it would be requiring all participants play the same number of home games.

And the sales pitch for such a move is easy: If a free market game like Major League Baseball requires the Yankees and Pirates to play the same number of home games, why doesn't OHIO and Ohio A&M? That's a pill that can be swallowed by the masses. Even the sheep. And for us non-AQ universities, I think a move to the same number of home games would be the biggest game changer (bigger than a playoff).

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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/3/2013 3:25:37 PM 
Baseball is not a free market.
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The Situation
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/3/2013 3:26:22 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Baseball is not a free market.


And regulating redshirts isn't socialism.
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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/3/2013 4:14:18 PM 
This would actually make it harder for Ohio to recruit, not easier. If the top football powers could not redshirt, it would mean they would need to recruit a full 25 players every year, never the classes of 20-22 that they sometimes have. That in turn would leave a lower grade of freshmen for the lesser schools. It would help in one respect, though - they could not afford to take much Juco talent, so there would be better Juco players available.  


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ytownbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/3/2013 5:22:29 PM 
This thread is one of those that reminds me that some posters have no clue. If I have a chance to red shirt and get better why should that option not be available? Are you suggesting this to handicap the top 5 conferences?
It is about achieving excellence. I don't know any true Bobcats that wants to deprive an athlete of his highest potential.
last time I checked we did not accept the Ohio State forfeit. Ask no quarter and give none, that is the Ohio athletic program I support!
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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/4/2013 2:50:53 AM 
The Situation wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Baseball is not a free market.


And regulating redshirts isn't socialism.


Your idea is an attempt at socializing the environment by creating a harmonious world. And agreed with he poster above, some are simply lost!

Last Edited: 8/4/2013 2:53:46 AM by BillyTheCat

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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/4/2013 11:25:33 AM 

Come on man.

All the NCAA is or can aspire to be is an imperfect form of socialism corrupted by capitalistic tendencies. (And America an imperfect form of capitalism corrupted by socialistic tendencies). Within the closed system, look at the insanely regulated populus, all in the name of equality or equity. (Title IX, impermissible benefits, amateurism clause)

LC makes what I think is a good point. Preventing the Big Conferences from redshirting would force them to gobble up more recruits. But the equal and opposite reaction to such a rule would be the sales pitch to these kids. Some are genuinely interested in completing their degree. The unique ability to spread the course load over 5 years maybe a selling point. Also maturity is real issue. Some kids need more time to develop. That extra year does wonders. Keith Moore, former walk-on and redshirt senior, is at least projected by Meyerberg to compete for defensive player of the year. 

All this being said, what really caught my eye about Pataskala's post was what maybe wan't even implied. If big these conferences, even all conferences, are going to have pay these kids, will they have to pay a stipend for a redshirt year?

Think about it. Sure they're practicing with the team, helping the team develop. But if all this fuss is about paying athletes their fair share, why would the equivalent of a practice squad guy get paid the same as Tim Tebow? It's a tough sell already to pay all the active players at the same rate. But will the inactive players have to be paid the same? Will a guy who sits out an entire year with a broken leg get a stipend? That would be like a grad student getting a stipend for a research or teaching assistantship without actually doing research or teaching.

P.S.

Bro,

I'm not talking about creating a Utopia. I'm talking about playing the same number of home games. If you don't see the inherent value of playing the same number of home games at any level of sports, you are lost.
 

Last Edited: 8/4/2013 11:31:51 AM by The Situation

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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/4/2013 1:53:00 PM 
Call me lost, but in no non-professional league is there a such thing as schedule balance with home and away matches, so why force this into the armature arena? Across the spectrum of team sports this imbalance exist, it's simply part of the game. Ohio University has that imbalance this year playing 7 home games.
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Pataskala
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/4/2013 5:30:28 PM 
The days of eight-game home schedules are or will soon be gone for a good many AQ schools.  The Big Twelv and PAC 12 already play nine conference games, so every other year they have five conference road games.  The Big Tenfinity will go that route in '15.  Getting to eight home games will be next to impossible for these schools in the future, especially if they have more games among themselves and fewer with the Go5 conferences.  And as they move toward filling up places like Jerryworld, they'll have more neutral site games, even if they're considered to be the home team.


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C Money
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  Message Not Read  RE: No money-hog redshirts
   Posted: 8/12/2013 1:09:23 PM 
What about capping roster size for the teams that want to pay players? Say, 70 "scholarship" athletes and an 85-man roster for the semi-pro teams, and let the rest of us keep our rosters at 85/105.
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