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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  Time to market in Nebraska
   Posted: 9/17/2013 9:19:45 AM 
After the recently released comments of Bo Pelini, we may be able to gain a few thousand more fans from the great state of Nebraska. 

These Deadspin guys brining all the dirt.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to market in Nebraska
   Posted: 9/17/2013 9:55:23 AM 
You know, during the UCLA-Neb game on Saturday they mentioned that Neb has sold out every home game since 1962.  Given all that's transpired since halftime of that game, I wonder if that streak will hold up Saturday when they host S. Dakota St (not a pushover).

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   Posted: 9/17/2013 10:27:55 AM 
It will be a sellout again, Nebraska games are like an all-day event.  Even if ppl don't like the product on the field they want to participate in everything else that happens on Game Day.  Plus from what I gather there isn't much else going on in Nebraska on a game day.
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   Posted: 9/17/2013 11:34:33 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
You know, during the UCLA-Neb game on Saturday they mentioned that Neb has sold out every home game since 1962.  Given all that's transpired since halftime of that game, I wonder if that streak will hold up Saturday when they host S. Dakota St (not a pushover).

Nebraska hasn't had a ticket window in over 40 years. All tickets are sold before the season begins. They used to have a 15 year waiting line for tickets, but rumor has is there is no longer a wait.

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   Posted: 9/17/2013 11:44:40 AM 
sargentfan wrote:
It will be a sellout again, Nebraska games are like an all-day event.  Even if ppl don't like the product on the field they want to participate in everything else that happens on Game Day.  Plus from what I gather there isn't much else going on in Nebraska on a game day.


Depends on when the game starts. If it's too late, fans might want to leave early to get to the bars in time.
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   Posted: 9/17/2013 12:13:51 PM 
It is safe to say that the Bo Pelini years have been interesting, zero championships, and several run-ins with administration, as well as some staff issues, and now this.  He may be looking after this year unless he brings home a Big whatever title.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to market in Nebraska
   Posted: 9/17/2013 12:23:39 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
It is safe to say that the Bo Pelini years have been interesting, zero championships, and several run-ins with administration, as well as some staff issues, and now this.  He may be looking after this year unless he brings home a Big whatever title.


What are the chances that Frank bounces back to Lincoln? One has to think he's still somewhat bitter about the way things went down and he's completely changed his offensive philosophy, which was the main reason he was ousted in the first place. I can't imagine it would take very long for him to build a legit national title contender with the talent they have already in place.
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   Posted: 9/17/2013 12:36:43 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
It is safe to say that the Bo Pelini years have been interesting, zero championships, and several run-ins with administration, as well as some staff issues, and now this.  He may be looking after this year unless he brings home a Big whatever title.


What are the chances that Frank bounces back to Lincoln? One has to think he's still somewhat bitter about the way things went down and he's completely changed his offensive philosophy, which was the main reason he was ousted in the first place. I can't imagine it would take very long for him to build a legit national title contender with the talent they have already in place.


I was thinking of the same thing last night when I read about this. We all feel that Frank has found a good home here, but maybe the lure and love of Nebraska wins him over. I really hope not, we have quite a gem in Frank that I think many fans don't appreciate. And with nine seasons (and hopefully more) of Frank at Ohio, how many times have we -- or any other program -- had nine years of the same great coach?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to market in Nebraska
   Posted: 9/17/2013 12:43:47 PM 
I may be wrong, but IMO there is a 1% chance at most that Frank would be asked back. He has many backers, but there are even more who believe he started the Huskers down the path they find themselves on. By the way Frank is 69 or so. There is no way they or anyone else would hire a 69 year old in this day and age. Well maybe Kansas State would.

And I say this as a Nebraska alum, FWIW.

Last Edited: 9/17/2013 12:44:45 PM by colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to market in Nebraska
   Posted: 9/17/2013 12:46:31 PM 
Ageism is alive and well in the 21st Century, I see. 😊

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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to market in Nebraska
   Posted: 9/17/2013 1:56:41 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Ageism is alive and well in the 21st Century, I see. 😊
. But you cant deny that being 69 doesn't make a difference in carrying out the physical demands of being a college football coach. Well maybe you can. Anyway, there's only 1 coach older than Frank in FBS, so the odds are against that because of ageism or whatever.

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   Posted: 9/17/2013 2:01:54 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
I may be wrong, but IMO there is a 1% chance at most that Frank would be asked back. He has many backers, but there are even more who believe he started the Huskers down the path they find themselves on. By the way Frank is 69 or so. There is no way they or anyone else would hire a 69 year old in this day and age. Well maybe Kansas State would.

And I say this as a Nebraska alum, FWIW.

One thing we learn from history is that people don't learn from history. I have little doubt that had they not fired Solich, they never would have sunk as low as they did during the Callahan years, and they would be significantly better than they are now, but, they don't see that, and even if they did, they couldn't undo it. Thus, the new AD will bring in some coach that he likes, and start the cycle over. FWIW, I'm technically an alum, too, having taken a handful of courses there.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Time to market in Nebraska
   Posted: 9/17/2013 3:10:29 PM 
L.C. wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
I may be wrong, but IMO there is a 1% chance at most that Frank would be asked back. He has many backers, but there are even more who believe he started the Huskers down the path they find themselves on. By the way Frank is 69 or so. There is no way they or anyone else would hire a 69 year old in this day and age. Well maybe Kansas State would.

And I say this as a Nebraska alum, FWIW.

One thing we learn from history is that people don't learn from history. I have little doubt that had they not fired Solich, they never would have sunk as low as they did during the Callahan years, and they would be significantly better than they are now, but, they don't see that, and even if they did, they couldn't undo it. Thus, the new AD will bring in some coach that he likes, and start the cycle over. FWIW, I'm technically an alum, too, having taken a handful of courses there.


I feel like he could have that itch though. You know? He's thinking, "I was at the top of this business, I could do it again if the situation was right." Or I could be completely wrong and he's comfortable in Athens, OH, almost living in retirement.
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   Posted: 9/17/2013 3:10:55 PM 
L.C. wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
I may be wrong, but IMO there is a 1% chance at most that Frank would be asked back. He has many backers, but there are even more who believe he started the Huskers down the path they find themselves on. By the way Frank is 69 or so. There is no way they or anyone else would hire a 69 year old in this day and age. Well maybe Kansas State would.

And I say this as a Nebraska alum, FWIW.

One thing we learn from history is that people don't learn from history. I have little doubt that had they not fired Solich, they never would have sunk as low as they did during the Callahan years, and they would be significantly better than they are now, but, they don't see that, and even if they did, they couldn't undo it. Thus, the new AD will bring in some coach that he likes, and start the cycle over. FWIW, I'm technically an alum, too, having taken a handful of courses there.
frankly, I'm not as knowledgable about the firing as I should be. I haven't stayed close enough to the Nebraska program since I lived only 300 miles away in the 90's and could go to a few games. I dont think the situations with Pelini and Solich are analagous in all aspects because Frank was a Nebraska guy through and through. I feel that he got a raw deal, but like I said I don't know all the facts. I'm not so sure where Nebraska would be if he had stayed ( Pelini is 51-21 or so)but I agree that he would most likely have done much better than Callahan.

Anyway, I think Frank has done a lot for our program and I'm really glad we have him.

I kind of worry at times about the future when he's retired here. That's another discussion.
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   Posted: 9/17/2013 3:32:50 PM 
If we win the MACC this year, maybe.  Solich has placed a lot of emphasis on the unfinished business -- both last season and this -- and I get the impression he's not the kind of guy to leave a project he thinks is unfinished.

As for his age, yeah, ageism is alive in this century.  I'm almost 62 and I've seen it.  If Pelini were to leave, I think Neb would want somebody who could commit for a decade or longer.  A lot of people, rightly or wrongly, don't think that someone who's nearly 70 could make that kind of commitment -- even if he were to say he could. 

I like to think he enjoys what he's doing at Ohio enough to stay.  But IF he has the itch, or thinks he's done all he can here, and Neb makes the bucks worthwhile, who knows.  Maybe if we build a bigger airport.....

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   Posted: 9/17/2013 3:34:44 PM 
There are plenty of differences between the Pelini situation and Solich's situation. The one similarity is that there is still a rabid group of fans that believes that the grass is always greener on the other side. Pelini's record isn't bad, but there are areas where it could be better. Personally I think Pelini was a much better defensive coordinator than he is a head coach, but that doesn't mean he has been horrible.

Solich did get a raw deal. He was a good coach. He was a Nebraska guy. He represented the University professionally. He had problems in 2002, but fixed them, and the team was better. But, the AD wanted his own guy, and so nothing was going to matter. I'm not saying that Nebraska would have won National Championships, or even Conference Championships, had he stayed, just that the program would have been, like the one at Ohio, one that always played hard, and one you could respect.

I agree that the future after Frank is not so clear. There are a lot of good assistants on his staff. Will any of them be a good HC? Will the right one be chosen? I don't know.

As for Solich going back, I don't see that in the cards. The rabid Nebraska fans still hate him. They may not post here anymore, but they are still around. Also, Solich is having fun now. He's built something. He was not having nearly as much fun at Nebraska.

Last Edited: 9/17/2013 3:37:48 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 9/17/2013 5:28:43 PM 

Thanks for the insights L.C.

That makes a lot of sense.
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   Posted: 9/17/2013 6:34:11 PM 
OK, think about this the other way.  Solich probably isn't going back to Nebraska.  Solich was an Ohio HS guy and a Nebraska player, assistant coach and Head Coach.  He implemented some of the Nebraska way here.  Pelini is an Ohio HS guy, Nebraska Assistant and Nebraska Head Coach.  What are the odds of Pelini getting fired by Nebraska and eventually replacing Solich here when he hangs them up?
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   Posted: 9/17/2013 6:39:40 PM 
Victory wrote:
OK, think about this the other way. Solich probably isn't going back to Nebraska. Solich was an Ohio HS guy and a Nebraska player, assistant coach and Head Coach. He implemented some of the Nebraska way here. Pelini is an Ohio HS guy, Nebraska Assistant and Nebraska Head Coach. What are the odds of Pelini getting fired by Nebraska and eventually replacing Solich here when he hangs them up?
another near zero situation . Im guessing that Pelini could get a better HC job if he wanted to be a head coach again.
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   Posted: 9/17/2013 11:05:13 PM 
i doubt that Neb would want Coach back given his age and the 'rabids' there who don't want him.

More to the point, I gotta think that Coach loves it at OHIO.  He can build a very fine program without what I'm sure he views as pretty much a nuisance, unnecessary:  intense fan and media scrutiny.

Put another way, what could any other school provide that would be better and more satisfying for Coach than what he now has at OHIO?!

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   Posted: 9/18/2013 2:07:13 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
...More to the point, I gotta think that Coach loves it at OHIO.  He can build a very fine program without what I'm sure he views as pretty much a nuisance, unnecessary:  intense fan and media scrutiny.

Put another way, what could any other school provide that would be better and more satisfying for Coach than what he now has at OHIO?!

Let's put it another way. There are lots of things that we, as individuals could value. Here are a few, and I'm sure there are many others you could add to this list:
1. Being appreciated
2. Not being constantly second guessed
3. Being well paid
4. A feeling of accomplishment
5. Job security
6. Enjoying the community you live in

He's much more appreciated at Ohio. He's rarely second guessed at Ohio, but it was constant at Nebraska. He was better paid at Nebraska. I think he has more feeling of accomplishment building something than trying to maintain something. He has much more job security at Ohio. As for number 6, I have no idea. Thus, most of the factors other than money point to a preference for Ohio. I doubt money is his prime motivation at this stage of his life, so I'd think he's at Ohio for the rest of his career.

More than that, though - look at his assistants. Coaches like Dixon or Collins have been in much more prestigious positions than Ohio. Why do they stay at Ohio? I think it's the same reasons. They are respected here, and not attacked here, and they have great job security, and adequate pay to have a good standard of living. They could take some other position, but, with the coaching merry-go-round, they might be back out of a job in a couple years.

The bottom line is that some school's fans think they are great fans, but Ohio's fans really are great fans. Because they are, and they are rewarded with great stability in the coaching staff in a conference where there is rarely much coaching stability at all.

Speaking of Pelini, I found this video of a recent prank of his a bit odd.

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