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Topic: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Topic: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

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Rowdy Rufus
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Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 8:24:45 AM

For all of you coaches out there that have no idea how to respect your apponent and manage the score. I'm sure Frank would be able to offer you some insight on how to run your offense without putting unnecessary points on the board. Way to respect the game O$U.....

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 9:38:43 AM

They had their 6th string tailback in the game most of the 2nd half and a QB named Cardale Jones that I have never heard of. Exactly what more are they supposed to do? Take 3 knees and punt? Is that supposed to go over better with the opponent? The only reason Florida A&M was on their schedule was because Vanderbilt backed out of their scheduled game and they had to scramble to fill the empty slot in the schedule. I know there's a lot of anti-OSU mentality here, and I understand that, but sometimes you need to do more than just look at a final score and assume there was no sportsmanship involved.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 10:24:02 AM

You can't tell the back-of-the-bench guys to not play their hardest. As long as there aren't any trick plays or hurry-up offense, I don't think there is anything wrong with a win like OSU, Miami or Louisville had. Ultimately, the defense needs to make a stop every now and then.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 10:30:41 AM

Ok, then why did OSUck go for two consecutive two-point conversions against Buffalo in week 1? And don't give me the Woody Hayes, "because we couldn't go for three" answer......and their kicker was fine because they kicked extra points later in the game. And having Vandy on their schedule is just like having Cal on their schedule. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo! They would have been playing the Purdue of the SEC. Play QUALITY teams from the quality conferences.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 10:48:21 AM

He was using situations like that as practice for if they're in the situation during Big Tendozen play where they need to do it. I'm not sticking up for him that's just how it is.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:03:30 AM

PLipps09 wrote:

Ok, then why did OSUck go for two consecutive two-point conversions against Buffalo in week 1...

It's hard to know the reason. Maybe the kicker was indisposed at that particular moment. If someone asked the coach, that's probably your best source for the answer. Certainly the answer "to run up the score" isn't plausible since it was the first score of the game. It was 6-0 and 14-0 when they did it.

Last Edited: 9/23/2013 11:04:25 AM by L.C.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:19:32 AM

PLipps09 wrote:

And having Vandy on their schedule is just like having Cal on their schedule. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo!

They probably called Austin Peay but...ya know, they were busy.

What good does it do for our guys to play an FCS team? Maybe we should have scheduled another Conference USA power house?

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:20:17 AM

100%Cat wrote:

They had their 6th string tailback in the game most of the 2nd half and a QB named Cardale Jones that I have never heard of. ......

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

Sometimes the schedulers just get it wrong. Glad I didn't see a second of that game. Pretty sad situation.

TOSU playing in-state MAC teams at least keeps it more interesting for everyone.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:27:32 AM

I read somewhere that they had a 4th & 3-ish around the FAMU 35 in the second half and decided it was too close to punt, that a FG would be running up the score and that taking a knee would insult FAMU so they went for it, made the first down and went on to score a TD. In that situation, a punt is completely acceptable. I guess they don't know how to deal with those situations since Gee wouldn't let them play Little Sisters of the Poor.

Meanwhile, in L'ville they just kept the clock running during the last 18 minutes of the game, even after out-of-bounds plays. It's unclear who asked for it (Strong says FIU coach Ron Turner wanted it, but Turner denies it), but it seems a good thing all the way around. Decreases the likelihood of somebody hurt when the outcome is already decided and lets the TV network get that puppy over and move on to something better.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:31:33 AM

100%Cat wrote:

PLipps09 wrote:

And having Vandy on their schedule is just like having Cal on their schedule. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo!

They probably called Austin Peay but...ya know, they were busy.

What good does it do for our guys to play an FCS team? Maybe we should have scheduled another Conference USA power house?

We can only get so many good teams on our schedule. There are teams out there that like to play good competition. Going to Louisville, Penn State, OHIO STATE, hosting UConn a couple years back. We do play good teams in our non-conference schedule, and we do it annually. Ohio State has a tough team about once every 4 years. They played Miami when they were ranked 12th and beat them in 2010. Before that, they had a home and home vs. USC and lost both of those games. I think they played Texas in a home and home and split those. Ohio always has a tough team on their schedule, comparatively speaking.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:47:08 AM

In Miami, they shortened the 4th quarter to 12 minutes.

As for Baylor, I don't know that their offense has a speed other than ludicrous.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:47:34 AM

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How many passes did they throw after they were up by 35?? I can promise you that they could have controlled the score had they not been worried about losing a spot in the rankings.

Tried to kid yourself all you want. Maybe it will make you feel better.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:49:57 AM

Pataskala wrote:

I heard about the running clock.. I agree it was a good idea. However, did I hear that the opposing coach got mad? Not sure if I heard that right or not.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 11:57:13 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

... http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

Haha, oh, yes, the thread where we got green-tinted glasses.

As for why Ohio schedules an FCS school the answer is that it accomplishes three things:
1. It can be helpful sometime to have a game in the season where the starters can rest and heal, if needed, and where the reserves who rarely play can get the reward of playing time.
2. Since it will normally be a win, it helps build a tradition of winning, and helps build bowl eligibility, both of which are long term positives for the program.
3. Without an FCS school on the schedule you could not have 6 home games a year. Since the budget requires Ohio to play some "money games", which are one-and-done games on the road where you get a big paycheck, you have no offsetting home game to get you to 6 home games. The FCS is the matching home game. Thus, this year the Peay game was a match for the Louisville game. Having 6 home games is useful several ways - it helps keep the players fresh, not being on the road all the time. It makes winning more likely. Also, since home games mean profit for local businesses, more home games is a good thing for building relationships with the local community.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 12:09:53 PM

Rowdy Rufus wrote:

I heard about the running clock.. I agree it was a good idea. However, did I hear that the opposing coach got mad? Not sure if I heard that right or not.

NBC reports it was a misunderstanding. Apparently Turner mentioned to a ref that FIU had a lot of injuries and not many players available, so they would run the ball a lot during the second half. The ref thought he asked to let the clock run. I've heard that Turner was angry about reports that he asked for a running clock when he apparently didn't. Remember, this is the AAC, which used to be the Big Least, which wasn't particularly known for the prowess of its refs, as Toledo can attest to from their game in Syracuse a few years ago -- where an obviously missed PAT by Syracuse late in the game was not only signaled as made on the field but the call also was confirmed by the replay official.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 12:14:11 PM

PLipps09 wrote:

100%Cat wrote:

PLipps09 wrote:

And having Vandy on their schedule is just like having Cal on their schedule. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo!

They probably called Austin Peay but...ya know, they were busy.

What good does it do for our guys to play an FCS team? Maybe we should have scheduled another Conference USA power house?

I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. We play 1 AQ team a year. And if you look ahead its going to be Minn and Kansas among others. And of course the AAC teams like Cincy and UConn. Not exactly powerhouses. When we signed up for Louisville, I'm not sure they were a powerhouse. Overall our schedule is usually among the weakest in the country. We shouldn't be trying to put down other teams at any level about weak schedules. By the way check out Miami and UMass, they seem to be able to schedule the big boys. We choose not to, even if we could. That's the current strategy of the AD and Solich.

Last Edited: 9/23/2013 12:15:21 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 12:15:40 PM

Cardale Jones is that QB who went to O$U "to play football, not play school"

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 12:20:55 PM

PLipps09 wrote:

And having Vandy on their schedule is just like having Cal on their schedule. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo! They would have been playing the Purdue of the SEC. Play QUALITY teams from the quality conferences.

Actually, Vandy is better than Cal. A LOT better. Ever watched a Vandy game? Purdue of the SEC is more like Mississippi State or Missouri at this point, not Vandy.

Besides, OSU and Louisville are going to have to do this every game if they want a shot at playing for the national title. Their respective conferences absoultely stink. I wonder if the same would have been said about Ohio had it been undefeated and playing for a chance for a BCS bowl down the road if it beat AP by 70? Hmmmm, methinks not.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 12:39:59 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

I think UMass is scheduling 3-4 AQs a season to grab some money to upgrade the program.

Fiami has about 3 AQs a year because of their rivalry with Cincy (which won't be in an elite conference next year) and because of its "Cradle of Coaches" reputation. Their scheduling has helped make them really inconsistent over the past decade. They'll have a couple years near or above .500 and then a couple years where they just stink. Their seniors have won only three OOC games vs 1A teams (Colo St, Army, MTSU), and they're the only wins vs 1A OOC teams Fiami has since 2007. After they lose to Illinois this Saturday, they'll be 3-20 vs 1A OOC teams during that time and only 5-20 OOC overall (they also beat Southern Ill & Charleston Southern). Makes it really tough when you have to win five or six MAC games just to have a chance at breaking even on the year.

Last Edited: 9/23/2013 12:41:48 PM by Pataskala

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 12:45:18 PM

Rowdy Rufus wrote:

100%Cat wrote:

So let me just get this right: no pass attempts when the game is in hand. Like when Vick was brought in during the 4th quarter of a game well in hand on Saturday? Because of course we had to keep Tyler in the game through three quarters even though Austin Peay was out of it. Yet Vick throws several pass attempts in the 4th quarter of a blowout. But that's OK.

"Kid yourself all you want." Wise words. It's typical from someone who glorifies a Hocking Tech student tackling the OSU mascot, though.

Last Edited: 9/23/2013 12:47:14 PM by 100%Cat

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 12:47:48 PM

100%Cat wrote:

The only reason Florida A&M was on their schedule was because Vanderbilt backed out of their scheduled game and they had to scramble to fill the empty slot in the schedule. I know there's a lot of anti-OSU mentality here, and I understand that.

Here's something that I don't think many fans (of college football) realize, and it sure won't make any Buckeye haters happier, but for the record:

Florida A&M was NOT the replacement for Vanderbilt, San Diego State was. The Rattlers were scheduled while Tressel was still coach

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 12:54:07 PM

I saw parts of the OSU game from beginning to end. They were slowing it down from the beginning and running conservative plays. I think they would have won by 120-140 if they had tried their hardest.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 1:08:23 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

We play 1 AQ team a year. And if you look ahead its going to be Minn and Kansas among others. And of course the AAC teams like Cincy and UConn. Not exactly powerhouses. When we signed up for Louisville, I'm not sure they were a powerhouse. Overall our schedule is usually among the weakest in the country. We shouldn't be trying to put down other teams at any level about weak schedules. By the way check out Miami and UMass, they seem to be able to schedule the big boys. We choose not to, even if we could. That's the current strategy of the AD and Solich.

The scheduling philosophy is one money game, two games with equivalent programs, and one FCS game. As I understand it, the games with Cincy and Kansas are games "with equivalent programs". Thus they will be 1:1 series. That would also mean there will be a "money game" that year, so there will be two games against AQ teams in future years, and occasionally games against AQ teams in Peden.

That makes logical sense. At one point an "equivalent program" was La-La or NTSU. Some fans may not have liked those games, but realistically, that's where Ohio's program was. Today the program is better, so an equivalent program might be Kansas or Cincinnati.

Last Edited: 9/23/2013 1:09:12 PM by L.C.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 1:18:19 PM

Yea, those back-up guys are playing to get noticed. As long as the starters were out most of the 2nd half, I don't have too much of an issue with it.

Additionally, with the current way college football is run, you have to destroy these little no name teams or you won't move up in the rankings. I look at a team like Georgia where Mark Richt is notorious for pulling guys and holding the win total back. All it has ever done is hinder Georgia in the rankings.

I don't like the system any more than the next guy, but coaches have to do what they think is best for their program.

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RE: Hey Urban, Charlie and the rest of your 70-0 winners

Posted: 9/23/2013 2:44:16 PM

I think there's 2 different arguments going on right now. 1 is about scheduling. the other is about running up the score. Ohio is not the same team as Ohio State. We obviously are not as good of a football team as Ohio state. Comparatively speaking, if we had the same type of schedule as Ohio State, we'd be scheduling high school teams. (Ok a little dramatic, but it's for effect). Again, comparatively speaking, if Ohio State had our schedule, they'd be playing 2 top 25 teams in their non-conference schedule. We're in the MAC, we're lucky to get good teams on our schedule, and when we do, it's for the money (unfortunately).

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