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Topic: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

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Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 4:58:15 PM

One way to evaluate talent is to look at who the NFL drafts. Fact: since 2005, Marshall has had 4 guys drafted, Ohio has had 4 guys drafted. Can we put all that garbage talk about such a huge difference in talent to rest, because as far as really top notch talent, the NFL people aren't seeing a big difference.
Edit:Should be 5-5 through 2005-2013

Last Edited: 9/19/2013 10:07:08 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 5:25:47 PM

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 6:44:21 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

...Can we put all that garbage talk about such a huge difference in talent to rest...?

No, because when you are irrational and delusional, facts don't matter.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 6:49:56 PM

L.C. wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

...Can we put all that garbage talk about such a huge difference in talent to rest...?

No, because when you are irrational and delusional, facts don't matter.

well it was good news to me, because I thought that there may actually have been something to their claims. Not that it makes a big difference , because it who wins that really counts.
FWIW, Marshall had 12 players drafted from 1998 to 2004. Now that's talent. We had 1 and Miami had 9 during that same time. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Last Edited: 9/19/2013 6:50:52 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 7:20:48 PM

Seriously, I think your method is valid, and you are about right - there is no real difference. I expect if you look at the numbers that signed free agent contracts, those are about equal, too. I never really thought there was a gap, though. What your research does show is why they cling to the notion of superiority - because once, a decade ago, there was a difference.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 9:25:25 PM

From 2005-2013, we have had 6 drafted for what it's worth.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 9:43:03 PM

Sorry, 4-4 was thru 2012, now 5-5 thru 2013
Can't find 6 on NFL site for Marshall

Last Edited: 9/19/2013 9:45:40 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 10:56:12 PM

Is Cato more talented than Tettleton?

Both players have been their team's starting QB since the beginning of the 2011 season, Cato as a true freshman, Tettleton as a red shirt sophomore. Here's a look at the their career numbers through last week-

Record as a starter
RC- 14-14 (.500)
TT- 20-9 (.690)

Bowl Record
RC- 1-0
TT- 2-0

Head to Head
RC- 0-3
TT- 3-0

Career Passing Statistics
RC- 656/995, 65.9%, 7,109yds, 7.1yds/att, 59/24 TD/Int, 136.5 RAT
TT- 548/871, 62.9%, 6,795yds, 7.8yds/att, 49/16 TD/Int, 145.1 RAT

Career Rushing Statistics
RC- 134 att 158yds, 0.8avg, 3 TD
TT- 293 att 902yds, 3.1avg, 14 TD

I don't see it in the stats or on the field but I'm guessing if you ask any Marshall fan which QB has more talent they'll say Cato.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 10:59:18 PM

Dobson
Curry
Smith
Bradshaw
Goddard
Davis

Not that NFL draft picks is the best indicator of talent.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 11:06:18 PM

And we have had guys drafted in the past decade or so who can match up with Pennington, Leftwich & Moss? Like who? Unfortunately Price seems to not have panned out, Brazil goes the drug route to hurt his chances, Mitchell has been hurt a lot .... so who do we have who has made a name in the NFL?

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 11:07:14 PM

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Dobson
Curry
Smith
Bradshaw
Goddard
Davis

Not that NFL draft picks is the best indicator of talent.

Davis not listed in NFL lists, maybe supplemental?

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 11:11:31 PM

Win loss stuff means nothing.

Cato true freshman versus a redshirt sophomore is obviously not fair.

Let's compare last year alone.

Cato: 4201 yards, 69.5% completion percentage, 37TDs w/ 11 Int

TT: 2844 yards, 62.1% completion percentage, 18 TDs w/ 4 Int

Tyler is a very very good player. Most years I would kill for a guy like TT. Cato will own every passing record in the books by the time he is done here. He led the nation in passing yards per game a year ago. He was the only underclassman to win CUSA MVP in conference history. And this conference has had some pretty darn good players.

I know you think your guy is better. What fan wouldn't. But Herd fans have every right to think our guy is better.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 11:15:19 PM

LaVon not getting cut after his suspension shows they think he can play, and Mitchell is now the starter in Carolina. Zastudil is Arizona's punter, I know Landon Cohen just got released but he has played, Julian Posey, Phil Bates, and Eric Herman are all on practice squads as of my knowledge, and Taylor Price got injured way too much to play. Chip Cox dominates up in the CFL though

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 11:15:46 PM

penn2moss wrote:

And as a Bobcat alum I'd say Cato has a much better chance of ever seeing time in the NFL versus TT. He has to cut down in the INT's though.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 11:16:48 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

penn2moss wrote:

Dobson
Curry
Smith
Bradshaw
Goddard
Davis

Not that NFL draft picks is the best indicator of talent.

Davis not listed in NFL lists, maybe supplemental?

Davis had several NCAA records. I think he held the all times reception record at one time. I thought he was drafted but I'm probably wrong.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/19/2013 11:38:12 PM

TT's release is way too low for a guy of his height and I think that spells doom in itself.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/20/2013 3:01:51 AM

Cato is a fine qb. He has no...none, zero, nonexistent...chance of NFL. He has nothing on his long ball, no long ball arm strength. Even rational stupd cow fans--if such exist--recognize that.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/20/2013 6:58:57 AM

penn2moss wrote:

Win loss stuff means nothing.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/20/2013 7:14:12 AM

penn2moss... wrote:

Tyler is a very very good player. Most years I would kill for a guy like TT. Cato will own every passing record in the books by the time he is done here. He led the nation in passing yards per game a year ago. He was the only underclassman to win CUSA MVP in conference history. And this conference has had some pretty darn good players.

I know you think your guy is better. What fan wouldn't. But Herd fans have every right to think our guy is better.

If the debate was whether TT was better than Cato, or vice versa, personally I'd go with TT not because of stats, or raw ability, but because of intangibles - he finds a way to win. That isn't the debate, though. The question is whether there is such a dramatic difference in talent that one team should always win. I would agree that a decade ago there was a dramatic talent differential, but I don't see any evidence of it today. I think the talent levels are close, which is why four of the last five games have been very, very close.

Last Edited: 9/20/2013 7:14:29 AM by L.C.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/20/2013 8:18:30 AM

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I'll give you credit for Pennington and Leftwich, but not for Moss. He was slated to go to Notre Dame before he got in a fight in high school. Then, he's at FSU for two years. He was also considering Ohio State at the time of his recruitment. The only reason he ended up at Marshall is because he tested positive for marijuana, which violated his 30-day jail work release probation. Moss was not a Marshall recruit, so I am not giving any credit to them for his talent or getting drafted. He would have been drafted if he'd gone to St. Mother Theresa's School for the Blind.

Last Edited: 9/20/2013 8:19:11 AM by GoCats105

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/20/2013 9:13:08 AM

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And we have had guys drafted in the past decade or so who can match up with Pennington, Leftwich & Moss?

I don't think the debate is whether Marshall had more talented players than Ohio in the late 90s/early 00s. It's whether the talent level is as stark today as Terd fans think it is.

Also, a buddy of mine pointed out that Cato doesn't check down. For example, on the Bass interception, the ball was still in Cato's hand when the receiver fell down. I think that's by design, b/c Marshall's offense is built around quick tempo and getting as many snaps off as possible as quickly as possible. They want it at 17 seconds or less from snap to snap. If you check down, that takes more time; hence, Cato makes the read at the line and throws the ball based on that read.

T^2, when he is on, is the king of improv.

Cato is good (very good) for the system he is in. I don't know how good he would be in another system. My suspicion is that you could put T^2 in a different style offense and he would be pretty good there too, because he is a playmaker.

I like our QB. I think Vick the next couple of years might be even better.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/20/2013 9:51:00 AM

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Win loss stuff means nothing.

Most Marshall thing said yet.

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Posted: 9/20/2013 10:40:52 AM

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My crystal ball says Cleveland drafts him in the fifth round!

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/20/2013 11:11:49 AM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Can you go to herdnation and post this please? I'm curious what they will say when confronted with these numbers.

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RE: Marshall versus Ohio talent comparison-one method of comparison

Posted: 9/20/2013 11:56:43 AM

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...I like our QB. I think Vick the next couple of years might be even better.

I like Vick a lot, and am very impressed with him. Not only is he a good football player, but he's a sharp kid and a great student, from what I've heard. I have only one concern, that being that he seems to run a bit upright, and ends up taking some hits. I'm hoping by the time he's a starter he learns when to slide, when to run out of bounds, and when to just stay low. I want him to stay healthy.

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