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Topic:  Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
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Jeff McKinney
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  Message Not Read  Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/9/2013 4:11:55 PM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVzETb9FSMw
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/9/2013 5:26:15 PM 
Shh. Don't tell them that.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/9/2013 6:06:37 PM 
Also, in addition to more effort and more work "on the little things" every now and then the rating services are wrong.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/9/2013 9:07:13 PM 
Legendary Auburn coach, Shug Jordan, credited coach Bryant with the rare ability to take average players and turn them into exceptional athletes, dedicated team players, and winners.  Now we know how Bryant did it. And that's what coach Frank Solich has been doing.from day one.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/9/2013 9:56:19 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Also, in addition to more effort and more work "on the little things" every now and then the rating services are wrong.

I agree with you.  I just thought that lil speech by Coach Bryant, while simple and common sensical, applies to the debate between Marshall and Ohio.  

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/9/2013 10:07:08 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Also, in addition to more effort and more work "on the little things" every now and then the rating services are wrong.

I agree with you.  I just thought that lil speech by Coach Bryant, while simple and common sensical, applies to the debate between Marshall and Ohio.  

 


Not arguing that point, Jeff.  I enjoyed the video and thought it applicable.  I could send it to Chuck who is an FB friend.  Should I?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/9/2013 11:53:59 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
...I agree with you.  I just thought that lil speech by Coach Bryant, while simple and common sensical, applies to the debate between Marshall and Ohio.

Oh, it does apply, it's dead on. I just as soon they think its "unacceptable" and leave it at that.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/10/2013 10:11:16 AM 
Ok, that works unless the 85% guy plays at or above his level and the 75% guy plays at or below his level.  Then you have blowouts (i.e. U of L vs OHIO).  I still say I'd rather start with a bunch of 3 or 4 star guys and get him to play at or above their average level.  The higher quality you strat with the higher the potential. My guess is that's why the Alabama's etc. win National titles.  They probably start with a much higher base than the non AQ guys and get them to play at or above their average.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/10/2013 10:20:50 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Ok, that works unless the 85% guy plays at or above his level and the 75% guy plays at or below his level. Then you have blowouts (i.e. U of L vs OHIO). I still say I'd rather start with a bunch of 3 or 4 star guys and get him to play at or above their average level. The higher quality you strat with the higher the potential. My guess is that's why the Alabama's etc. win National titles. They probably start with a much higher base than the non AQ guys and get them to play at or above their average.

But if we can't get the 3 or 4 star guys, I'll take the good coaching.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/10/2013 11:05:06 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Ok, that works unless the 85% guy plays at or above his level and the 75% guy plays at or below his level.  Then you have blowouts (i.e. U of L vs OHIO).  I still say I'd rather start with a bunch of 3 or 4 star guys and get him to play at or above their average level.  The higher quality you strat with the higher the potential. My guess is that's why the Alabama's etc. win National titles.  They probably start with a much higher base than the non AQ guys and get them to play at or above their average.


There are so many things we don't see.  Many of the three/four star kids are just ahead of some other classmates.  They might be high school redshirts or from hs programs with superior player development.  Many three/four star kids are closer to their full potential with less upside.  What the Ohio staff seems to be skilled in is finding the more unheralded player with the bigger upside who will eventually equal or better the higher rated player out of high school.  Soo much more to this than stars.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/10/2013 11:10:01 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:
[ . . . Soo much more to this than stars.

+1

 

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bear Bryant explains to Chuck Landon why Ohio beats Marshall despite fewer 3 and 4 star recruits
   Posted: 10/10/2013 12:00:06 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Ok, that works unless the 85% guy plays at or above his level and the 75% guy plays at or below his level.  Then you have blowouts (i.e. U of L vs OHIO).  I still say I'd rather start with a bunch of 3 or 4 star guys and get him to play at or above their average level.  The higher quality you strat with the higher the potential. My guess is that's why the Alabama's etc. win National titles.  They probably start with a much higher base than the non AQ guys and get them to play at or above their average.


There are so many things we don't see.  Many of the three/four star kids are just ahead of some other classmates.  They might be high school redshirts or from hs programs with superior player development.  Many three/four star kids are closer to their full potential with less upside.  What the Ohio staff seems to be skilled in is finding the more unheralded player with the bigger upside who will eventually equal or better the higher rated player out of high school.  Soo much more to this than stars.

Totally agree with you, Bcat.

Plus, these ratings only look at how these players perform on the field or court.  Another recruiting skill is locating guys with good character who can gradually improve their athletic skills and surpass some of the guys who were rated higher in HS.

It takes maturity to make it through a college program.
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