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Kevin Finnegan
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2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 5:09:59 PM

Up23-19, why go for two? A PAT puts you up five, two puts you up six. Missing it however, leaves you only up four. If CMU goes down and scores a TD, now a FG will only tie the game, not win it. This made no sense.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 5:26:10 PM

When Solich is getting outcoached by a message board, it time to hang it up.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 6:00:33 PM

I couldn't figure out the logic of that decision either, maybe Franks math needs some work like the play calling.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 6:04:24 PM

It wouldn't have mattered - except that if Ohio converts 2 pts the TD following the muffed punt forces OT - not an immediate loss.s I support going for 2 - I don;t support the muffed punt, interceptions etc.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 6:12:18 PM

K State just did the exact same thing. It makes no sense.

Victory
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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 6:19:13 PM

You see this time and time and time again on every level of football. When a team scores a TD to go up 4 with less than about 6 minutes left they almost invariably go for 2 to get up 6. Two FG is three possesions (counting yours in between or requires an onside kick from them). What usually happens in my experience is the try fails and the opponent, who now has 4 downs each series, scores a TD and the team that tried the 2 finds itself down by 3 instead of 2.

This error is so obvious and so common and almost universally made in every instance. You'd think that it would start to become part of coaching 101. As soon as a kid gets into coaching someone should warn him about this situation. I've seen the same mistake made literally dozens on times.

Last Edited: 10/12/2013 6:21:25 PM by Victory

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 6:20:35 PM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

No, they win by 1 instead of 3.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 7:20:15 PM

abhhh yes math

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 7:35:54 PM

The loss of the time out before the 2pt conversion wound up hurting us more than the loss of kicking the extra point.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 7:38:16 PM

MFRONE wrote:

When Solich is getting outcoached by a message board, it time to hang it up.

I think the original posters on the old T-Com message board in the late 90's was one of the greatest coaching staffs in the history of Ohio Football.

Last Edited: 10/12/2013 7:39:06 PM by Bobcat Grad 86

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 7:52:13 PM

It's a tough decision. I can see why he'd do it, especially with their kicker being so erratic. Personally I like kicking the extra point in that situation and making the other team go for two if they score. If they miss, you can win it with a FG; if they make it, you can still tie it with a FG.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 7:54:44 PM

The least of our problems. i assume they have that little card that says you go for 2 with that score. Agree, not being prepared and taking the time out hurt. And, why did we even have anybody back to field a punt at that point in the game. I get the feeling FS and company are getting outcoached in some games which is surprising.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 7:57:07 PM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

MFRONE wrote:

When Solich is getting outcoached by a message board, it time to hang it up.

I think the original posters on the old T-Com message board in the late 90's was one of the greatest coaching staffs in the history of Ohio Football.

I agree! I was only 14 or so but I really was on top of my game.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 8:09:41 PM

Who cares. We lost to CMU on homecoming.

We stink.

We're better than 'kron, though.

Maybe.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 8:09:43 PM

Pataskala wrote:

It was late enough in the game that there probably wasn't going to be a bunch of scoring back and forth, so it made sense, especially as Pataskala said, with their kicking game being so bad that it was far from a given that they'd make the extra point.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 8:13:58 PM

Really. With any kind of decent kicker, CMU makes those two field goals that they missed and the whole thing doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 8:15:39 PM

Yes, I can see doing it with one minute left because the odds of them missing an extra point are better than you getting a chance at another FG. But I have seen teams go for 2 to get up six with 4-6 minutes, fail, give up a TD, and get into FG range or very close to it in the NFL, college, and high school combined more times than I can count.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 8:37:31 PM

Penn State just got the ball with :50 left and scored a tying TD and Michigan got off a 52 yard FG but missed. 5 minutes is enough time to expect a good possibility of another chance.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 8:47:48 PM

Casper71 wrote:

Going for 2 didn't bother me. The biggest mistake was having a returner back on a punt. And that's not second-guessing -- I said that before the play.

Why don't they listen to me?

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 9:03:10 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

Going for 2 didn't bother me. The biggest mistake was having a returner back on a punt. And that's not second-guessing -- I said that before the play.

Why don't they listen to me?

You just have shout louder. Even though he's one of the best punt returners in 1A, fielding returns has been an adventure for Travis at times. He fumbled at least one at L'ville and seemed shaky against both NT & Terd.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 10:13:38 PM

It's not #18s fault...didn't the coaching staff know the time and score. Nobody should have been back there given that situation and I too was screaming that at the TV before the punt.. CMU only had one TO left so it was game over at that time who cares where we get the ball. Even the announcers were left searching for words...that play is on the staff!

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 10:13:52 PM

finnOhio wrote:

4 or 5 means a TD beats you, same with two FG's. Two point conversion means a TD and XP has to beat you. CMU missed two FG's and an extra point. Look it up that was the statistical play.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 10:16:21 PM

Only one OHIO wrote:

K State just did the exact same thing. It makes no sense.

It's simple math and football 101. Google 2pt conversion chart. Info is solid and the statistical odds, developed by same people who convince you to play black jack. Statistical odds.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 10:20:29 PM

Thank you billy, I guess we have the same play card! That was one the staff got right but the team was not prepared to run it. Thus wasted time out. Again, that is on the staff or whoever handles the special team for XPs.

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RE: 2pt conversion try a mistake

Posted: 10/12/2013 10:26:32 PM

It's called football for dummies and written and followed since before many of you were born! If you are ahead by 1, 4, 5, 12, 15, 19 you go for two.
Are behind 2, 5, 9, 12, 16 you go for two.
Are behind by 1, 4, 11 it's judgement.

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