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We are an aggressive team.  We coach aggressiveness and taking the game to the other team.  Therefore, Frank was OK with fielding the punt but, of course, not the muff.   2.  The slow start was puzzling.  He said the team came ready to play but didn't play well in the first part of game.  He said something to the effect that being well prepared and playing well weren't the same thing. 3.  The players called a team meeting.  He as a coach never suggests such meetings, but he also doesn't object to them either. He seemed to think that the meetings today (the defensive players had their own separate meeting from the full team meeting) were a positive sign that the players were serious about getting the job done the rest of the season.   4.  TT injured his foot early in the game.  That did limit their play calling in terms of having TT run.  However, that was not part of the plan going into the game but an adjustment they made due to the circumstances.  He didn't say anything related to whether TT's injury would impact his playing going forward.  (I certainly hope not.) Some of the above is my interpretation of coach speak, a language in which I'm not totally fluent. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/14/2013 11:54:34 PM  Did anything sound like "Beau le milieu"?   RS Bobcat Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,743 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 12:03:53 AM  Addendum: 1.  Frank also said that going for two in that situation was almost automatic, because a six-point lead would have meant they would have had to complete an extra point after a TD to go ahead.  This was reinforced by the fact that they had already missed a PAT earlier in the game.  He said jokingly that everyone in "coach circles" knows this, and that if you didn't know it you weren't circulating in coaching circles.  It was kind of funny the way he said it, and my retelling doesn't capture the humor.  Sorry!  2. He said that we must do a better job of establishing the running game, and that we are getting better with our blocking assignments but further improvement is needed.   Last Edited: 10/15/2013 12:24:43 AM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,363 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 11:22:54 AM  It's good that the players had a meeting about the CMU game.  I think it shows they're not happy with their performance. That was the first I'd heard about T2's foot and while that's of concern, I'm more concerned about the shot he took at the end of the game.  It isn't like him to take himself out at such a crucial point in the game.  Hope it's not serious. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Bobcat Grad 86 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,397 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 11:27:19 AM  I was hoping that the Frank Solich show was going to be part of "Undercover Boss" last week. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/09/28/donatos-exec-to-be-focus-of-undercover-boss-episode.html Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,736 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 12:17:33 PM  Pataskala wrote: It's good that the players had a meeting about the CMU game.  I think it shows they're not happy with their performance. That was the first I'd heard about T2's foot and while that's of concern, I'm more concerned about the shot he took at the end of the game.  It isn't like him to take himself out at such a crucial point in the game.  Hope it's not serious. To me TT's foot looked fine on his 6-yard gain to the CMU 1 or 2 yard line in the SECOND half.  If Ohio is going to continue lining up in the pistol and calling spread options, unless TT keeps the ball from Blankenship/Boykin and runs 5 or 6 times a game, including early in games, I don't expect appreciable improvement in the running game.  http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,743 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 1:07:59 PM  Strangely, our dynamic duo on XTQ were saying during the game that TT had a shoulder issue.  They even comment on how some of his passes appeared not as good as usual.   Frank didn't say anything about a shoulder problem, so I assume that that information was incorrect.  I suspect that Frank knows more about the location of TT's injury, no offense to Russell and Robert..  The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 2:26:17 PM  Mike Johnson wrote: Pataskala wrote: It's good that the players had a meeting about the CMU game.  I think it shows they're not happy with their performance. That was the first I'd heard about T2's foot and while that's of concern, I'm more concerned about the shot he took at the end of the game.  It isn't like him to take himself out at such a crucial point in the game.  Hope it's not serious. To me TT's foot looked fine on his 6-yard gain to the CMU 1 or 2 yard line in the SECOND half.  If Ohio is going to continue lining up in the pistol and calling spread options, unless TT keeps the ball from Blankenship/Boykin and runs 5 or 6 times a game, including early in games, I don't expect appreciable improvement in the running game.  Mike, the more things the defense has to worry about the better.  So showing TT on the option a few times a game is useful. I think more important to getting the BBs going will be getting the old guys healthy across the line.  Seniors across the line are worth an extra second at least for TT to find Mario, Foster and Cochran.  I really believe TT with a clean jersey comfortable in his protection is the straw that stirs Ohio's offense.  Injury is such a part of the game now and Ohio has more and more weapons and TT is to the point I think his head and arm are more dangerous than his legs.  "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 4:01:03 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Strangely, our dynamic duo on XTQ were saying during the game that TT had a shoulder issue.  They even comment on how some of his passes appeared not as good as usual.   Frank didn't say anything about a shoulder problem, so I assume that that information was incorrect.  I suspect that Frank knows more about the location of TT's injury, no offense to Russell and Robert..  Though...you have to wonder if anyone is telling the full truth. Its in Frank's interest to keep DC's guessing about Tyler's ability (and willingness) to run the ball. So would he actually tell us if there was a problem? Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 4:14:25 PM  Thanks, OCF. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,736 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 6:58:53 PM  Bcat2 wrote: Mike Johnson wrote: Pataskala wrote: It's good that the players had a meeting about the CMU game.  I think it shows they're not happy with their performance. That was the first I'd heard about T2's foot and while that's of concern, I'm more concerned about the shot he took at the end of the game.  It isn't like him to take himself out at such a crucial point in the game.  Hope it's not serious. To me TT's foot looked fine on his 6-yard gain to the CMU 1 or 2 yard line in the SECOND half.  If Ohio is going to continue lining up in the pistol and calling spread options, unless TT keeps the ball from Blankenship/Boykin and runs 5 or 6 times a game, including early in games, I don't expect appreciable improvement in the running game.  Mike, the more things the defense has to worry about the better.  So showing TT on the option a few times a game is useful. I think more important to getting the BBs going will be getting the old guys healthy across the line.  Seniors across the line are worth an extra second at least for TT to find Mario, Foster and Cochran.  I really believe TT with a clean jersey comfortable in his protection is the straw that stirs Ohio's offense.  Injury is such a part of the game now and Ohio has more and more weapons and TT is to the point I think his head and arm are more dangerous than his legs.  Debate and disagreement are healthy.  Here we disagree.  Without TT running 5 or 6 times a game, especially early in games, to me Ohio loses a strong dimension or component of its offense.   His not doing so translates into defenders having less to concern themselves with and react to.  As last Saturday's game moved through the first 3 quarters, it was clear that CMU defenders were playing with increasing confidence.  And confidence, as we know, is central to success.  Let me look ahead to EMU for a moment.  If TT doesn't run early, I will not be surprised if EMU's certifiably porous defense performs more effectively against Ohio than it has against prior opponents.  http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top bobcat695 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 1,345 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 7:39:56 PM  I agree with Mike 100%. If our dual threat QB cannot, or will not run, then we are in trouble. After our game Saturday, I came home and watched Texas A&M. Tyler has a lot of similarities to Johnny Football when he is a dual threat. Running a few times early keeps the defense guessing, thus freeing up all parts of the offense. "You can't un-fist a fist pump." - Saul Phillips 1/24/15 Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,363 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 7:49:14 PM  bobcat695 wrote: I agree with Mike 100%. If our dual threat QB cannot, or will not run, then we are in trouble. After our game Saturday, I came home and watched Texas A&M. Tyler has a lot of similarities to Johnny Football when he is a dual threat. Running a few times early keeps the defense guessing, thus freeing up all parts of the offense. We've had discussions all year about T2's apparent unwillingness to run.  It might be one factor in the overall ineffectiveness of our running game.  The defenses can focus more on our RBs if they don't have to worry about him taking off. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 8:26:59 PM  Mike Johnson wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Mike Johnson wrote: Pataskala wrote: It's good that the players had a meeting about the CMU game.  I think it shows they're not happy with their performance. That was the first I'd heard about T2's foot and while that's of concern, I'm more concerned about the shot he took at the end of the game.  It isn't like him to take himself out at such a crucial point in the game.  Hope it's not serious. To me TT's foot looked fine on his 6-yard gain to the CMU 1 or 2 yard line in the SECOND half.  If Ohio is going to continue lining up in the pistol and calling spread options, unless TT keeps the ball from Blankenship/Boykin and runs 5 or 6 times a game, including early in games, I don't expect appreciable improvement in the running game.  Mike, the more things the defense has to worry about the better.  So showing TT on the option a few times a game is useful. I think more important to getting the BBs going will be getting the old guys healthy across the line.  Seniors across the line are worth an extra second at least for TT to find Mario, Foster and Cochran.  I really believe TT with a clean jersey comfortable in his protection is the straw that stirs Ohio's offense.  Injury is such a part of the game now and Ohio has more and more weapons and TT is to the point I think his head and arm are more dangerous than his legs.  Debate and disagreement are healthy.  Here we disagree.  Without TT running 5 or 6 times a game, especially early in games, to me Ohio loses a strong dimension or component of its offense.   His not doing so translates into defenders having less to concern themselves with and react to.  As last Saturday's game moved through the first 3 quarters, it was clear that CMU defenders were playing with increasing confidence.  And confidence, as we know, is central to success.  Let me look ahead to EMU for a moment.  If TT doesn't run early, I will not be surprised if EMU's certifiably porous defense performs more effectively against Ohio than it has against prior opponents.  Mike, I did say it is useful showing him on the option a few times a game. Mike would you agree that the OL and receivers on a running team are from different molds than those on a team with stronger passing tendencies? Does a roster of a running team have a stable of backs and a passing team a stable of receivers?  Now Solich might have been as good as any coaching RBs and Dixon is one of the best coaching receivers so balanced approach would seem good.  However,  right now looking at the roster the RBs, all those receivers, the TEs and the mold the OL are out of, it seems to me the tendency will be away from option football.  I just see a team with certain strengths that seem to be different from the strengths you seem to see.  I am also considering the TEs and receivers we might have had; Roberts, Lewis, Murray.  Also I still see TT's strength having evolved to managing much more than a simple choice of pitch or keep. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,495 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/15/2013 10:23:05 PM  Mike Johnson wrote: ...As last Saturday's game moved through the first 3 quarters, it was clear that CMU defenders were playing with increasing confidence.  And confidence, as we know, is central to success.  ... ...and yet, after mid-way through the 3rd quarter, CMU never stopped Ohio again. Ohio scored a TD every time they got the ball, except for the very last drive, when the clock ran out. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/16/2013 1:41:20 AM  It's TT's mobility that keys us.  That may be TT keeping on the option.  Or it may be TT rolling out, protected or naked.  Or it may be his pretty consistent ability to just escape sacks.  TT is more about getting it done--for which his mobility is key--than any singular skill.  Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/16/2013 10:06:38 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: It's TT's mobility that keys us.  That may be TT keeping on the option.  Or it may be TT rolling out, protected or naked.  Or it may be his pretty consistent ability to just escape sacks.  TT is more about getting it done--for which his mobility is key--than any singular skill.  Monroe, respectfully and I am sorry to have referred to your thoughts as silly.  I was taught that if I did not have something nice to say, keep my thoughts to myself, sorry mom.  You are correct that TT is all about getting it done.  If a way does not present itself he will find one and if one is not to be found he will make one.  We are both big fans.  As the OL gets thinner and thinner his mobility will become more and more important as we use the options, roll outs etc. out of necessity.  In play action, Ohio's greatest and the MAC's most efficient passer can choose any receiver from anywhere on the field. Option runs and roll outs actually reduce the area being attacked.  They reduce the options available and involve the sideline to help the defense.  I have been watching as TT has grown and more and more players have stepped up who can require defensive attention. Given pass protection I have expected to see more pro style passing.  There will be none of that if TT would be running for his life all the time.  Fran Tarkenton was mobile and I loved watching him.  Monroe you mentioned TT ability to escape sacks, like when Fran took off, you just know something good is going to happen.  Enough ramblings. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,392 Status: Offline     RE: Frank at Donatos    Posted: 10/16/2013 10:23:46 AM  Bcat2 wrote: Mike Johnson wrote: Bcat2 wrote: Mike Johnson wrote: Pataskala wrote: It's good that the players had a meeting about the CMU game.  I think it shows they're not happy with their performance. That was the first I'd heard about T2's foot and while that's of concern, I'm more concerned about the shot he took at the end of the game.  It isn't like him to take himself out at such a crucial point in the game.  Hope it's not serious. To me TT's foot looked fine on his 6-yard gain to the CMU 1 or 2 yard line in the SECOND half.  If Ohio is going to continue lining up in the pistol and calling spread options, unless TT keeps the ball from Blankenship/Boykin and runs 5 or 6 times a game, including early in games, I don't expect appreciable improvement in the running game.  Mike, the more things the defense has to worry about the better.  So showing TT on the option a few times a game is useful. I think more important to getting the BBs going will be getting the old guys healthy across the line.  Seniors across the line are worth an extra second at least for TT to find Mario, Foster and Cochran.  I really believe TT with a clean jersey comfortable in his protection is the straw that stirs Ohio's offense.  Injury is such a part of the game now and Ohio has more and more weapons and TT is to the point I think his head and arm are more dangerous than his legs.  Debate and disagreement are healthy.  Here we disagree.  Without TT running 5 or 6 times a game, especially early in games, to me Ohio loses a strong dimension or component of its offense.   His not doing so translates into defenders having less to concern themselves with and react to.  As last Saturday's game moved through the first 3 quarters, it was clear that CMU defenders were playing with increasing confidence.  And confidence, as we know, is central to success.  Let me look ahead to EMU for a moment.  If TT doesn't run early, I will not be surprised if EMU's certifiably porous defense performs more effectively against Ohio than it has against prior opponents.  Mike, I did say it is useful showing him on the option a few times a game. Mike would you agree that the OL and receivers on a running team are from different molds than those on a team with stronger passing tendencies? Does a roster of a running team have a stable of backs and a passing team a stable of receivers?  Now Solich might have been as good as any coaching RBs and Dixon is one of the best coaching receivers so balanced approach would seem good.  However,  right now looking at the roster the RBs, all those receivers, the TEs and the mold the OL are out of, it seems to me the tendency will be away from option football.  I just see a team with certain strengths that seem to be different from the strengths you seem to see.  I am also considering the TEs and receivers we might have had; Roberts, Lewis, Murray.  Also I still see TT's strength having evolved to managing much more than a simple choice of pitch or keep. 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