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Topic: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Topic: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

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Pataskala
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Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/14/2013 10:29:13 AM

Haven't had one yet this season, but...

EMU is 120th against the run, giving up 262.7 yds a game;

Last week they gave up 513 rushing yds against Army;

Even though the bulk of the yardage (304) was by one player, Army had another player who got 92 yds on just eight carries.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/14/2013 10:40:37 AM

Ohio absolutely must improve the rushing offense if they are going to win out. This would be a good week to start.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/14/2013 9:07:21 PM

Beau up the middle.

What you're really telling us is that running for a lot of yards against EMU would be candy and not necessarily at all an indicator for the future.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/14/2013 9:23:10 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Beau up the middle.

What you're really telling us is that running for a lot of yards against EMU would be candy and not necessarily at all an indicator for the future.

There is running up the middle and then there is creating a seal and running the ball in the alley !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUmh7afEl5M

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 8:47:53 AM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Beau up the middle.

What you're really telling us is that running for a lot of yards against EMU would be candy and not necessarily at all an indicator for the future.

There is running up the middle and then there is creating a seal and running the ball in the alley !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUmh7afEl5M

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Last Edited: 10/15/2013 8:50:34 AM by Bcat2

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 12:23:02 PM

Maybe we should try getting to the corner once in a while? i believe a number of CMUs rushes that were plus 20 yards were either on a bounce or designed run to the outside. We have to have as much speed as their All American running back that gouged us for about 200 yards.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 12:58:05 PM

Casper71 wrote:

Funny. I commented during the game that if Lavallii had real speed he'd have 500 yards and 3 or 4 TD'. Seriously. He's been hiding all that talent under a basket, I guess.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 1:12:16 PM

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Casper71 wrote:

Funny. I commented during the game that if Lavallii had real speed he'd have 500 yards and 3 or 4 TD'. Seriously. He's been hiding all that talent under a basket, I guess.

Ohio has always had the ability to bring out the best in the opposition. That's our slogan: We'll make you an All-American. Just talk to our scheduler!

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 1:20:33 PM

Casper71 wrote:

More concerned with the weakness this presents on D. What we need to do is strike a balance on defense. Dial up the contain which might mean we might not have the MAC's top two in sacks. CMU's coaches must have seen that Williams has sealed the middle and dialed up the pass rush from the DEs. They found a vulnerability to the outside and exploited it. Credit Central. I remember in past years the ends were to contain, contain, contain and the board was calling for QB pressure, well, now we are getting more pressure with more weakness outside. Last season Wisconsin backed into the B1G championship game and film study uncovered a weakness which they exploited to the tune of 530+ yards rushing, most all outside the tackles. I expext Burrow will get a handle on this before someone else schools him like that.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 1:42:36 PM

You are exactly correct, Bcat2. The DE's can crash in and go for sacks, or they can contain. In prior years they were primarily used to contain, with the result that you didn't see a lot of runs outside, but also you didn't see a lot of sacks. Now they are playing more aggressively, meaning more sacks, but it also means other teams can break contain. There's a fine balance there.

To make matters worse, a lot of the DE's are athletic, but inexperienced. Basham and Sayles are true Freshmen, and Laseak is a redshirt Freshman. Kendrick Smith is a Junior, and Ty Branz is a Senior, but both are transfers, and only in their second year in the program. As the year goes on this is a position that should improve a lot. Experience, and fine tuning by the coaches should bring a better balance in terms of knowing when to go all out for the QB, and when to contain.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 2:15:40 PM

L.C., Frank said as much last night (not in my original post). He said that we probably would not be blitzing as much in upcoming games. I think his exact words were something along the lines that we would be more discerning in deciding when to blitz. He talked exactly about the problem you mentioned that you can get burned on the outside if you blitz at the wrong time or are too predictable on your blitzes.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 2:29:03 PM

Some other good news would be not having a DE drop off to cover a tight end. I think that cost us big time on one play vs. CMU...our guy may have slipped but it cost us a ton of yards, maybe it was a TD, I can't rmember. I believe it was the Bengals game Sunday where either the Bengals or Bills tried the same thing with the same dumb result. Why do D-coordinators think they have to get real cute every once in a while? Just play sound football. I bet we won't see that kind of coverage again this year. Just another play where I think we outcoached ourselves.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 3:09:12 PM

Casper, that's actually a defense I like, referred to as a zone blitz. It's not a normal defense, but rather something you use as an alternative to a traditional blitz. In a traditional blitz the linebacker or safety goes all out for the QB, and leaves a hole. If the offense happens to have a play called for a quick throw to the TE (or another receiver) in that hole, you get burned badly.

With a zone blitz, the linebacker or safety blitz as in a normal blitz, but this time the defensive end (or sometimes a defensive tackle even) drops back into a zone coverage to occupy the hole left behind by the blitzing LB or safety. No, they aren't the ideal DB.... but, if the QB attempts that quick throw to the TE, this time there is someone there, and a rather big someone, and not just a big hole. If the DE doesn't make the play, the result can still be a big play by the offense, but that is no different than a normal blitz. On the other hand, sometimes the DE does make the play. Remember Tremayne Scott's pick in the Independence Bowl? Or, remember Basham nearly had a pick earlier this year? Also, I think Basham also caused a fumble after a reception this year, on one of these plays.

I much prefer a zone-blitz to a conventional all-out blitz. Yes, you can still get burned, but with a zone blitz you have one more way where the defense might work. Sometimes it works because the LB or Safety gets to the QB for a sack. Sometimes it works because the extra pressure forces a bad throw. Sometimes it works because the QB reads blitz, and tries a quick throw to where he expects to find a hole, only to find that the space was not a hole at all, but a space occupied by a rather large someone.

Over-used, the offense can pick it apart, just like any defense, but used occasionally, it can work very well, particularly when you have a fast, mobile DE that isn't much different than a big LB. Basham at 6-4 250 or Laseak at 6-4 242 are not that much different in build than, say, Ben Russell, at 6-1 230.

Last Edited: 10/15/2013 3:21:51 PM by L.C.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 3:28:55 PM

LC it's theory vs reality. Like I said, in two actual cases I saw this weekend the defense was burned. And, if a DE was designed/had the ability to take on TEs they would be a LB not DE. Heck, our guy fell down when the move was made. Sorry but the theory didn't match the desired result which is why I said just "play solid defense". You try to get cute and you leave yourself open to being beaten badly which we were. Hadn't seen that in all the years of FS and co here. Gotta believe they put it in this year because they think they have "more talented" DE. I just doubt we see it again. Too bad it cost us.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 3:53:09 PM

We have ran zone blitzes for years and had good success. Sometimes things work as you draw them up, sometimes they do not.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 5:23:13 PM

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T. Scott, when healthy was great at dropping off the line. In the bowl last year he had a game of cat and mouse going with their QB. A lot goes on just before the play they don't get/cover on TV. Not sure who you saw fall down, but, Ohio has some young men who are not up to T. Scott's level, but, will get there. It is more than Xs and Os, it is the Moes and the Joes.

Last Edited: 10/15/2013 5:25:12 PM by Bcat2

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 9:01:28 PM

Again, I tell you that Daz has to get carries at running back and/or we have to use two back sets. The first gives us the speed to get to the edge. The second gives us the deception, perhaps (who's gonn' get the ball), to get to the edge.

I'll now let Bcat2 explain why we don't need this or it's wrong. Even though it's true.

No edge speed means we are easier to defense. Add in refusal to have TT run (he's edge speed) and runs up the middle don't work.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 10:23:20 PM

I'd like to see more Daz. I agree that he is probably the fastest, quickest and shiftiest back that we have. At some point he's going to dazzle us to the point of amazement. I agree with our Certified Pigskin Analyst that a two back set with Daz and Beau/Boykin would keep the defenses guessing. Kind of like Kent last year with Archer and Durham. I saw their game last year with Rutgers and the Scarlet Knights never figured out what hit them. This year, with Archer missing most of their first five games, the KSU offense was almost anemic by comparison. Perhaps this is not the best comparison in the world, but I think you get my drift. I think our offense could become a lot less predictable with this approach, especially if TT doesn't run as much as we've seen at times in the past.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/15/2013 10:34:54 PM

Casper71 wrote:

It's true, Casper. They can play vanilla defense with no blitzes. When you do that, play after play, it makes it easier for the other team's offense. They know what you are doing, and they chip, chip, chip away. So, to keep the other offense off balance, the defensive coordinator has to mix things up a bit. The zone blitz is one of the safest ways to do that because you are rushing the same number of people, and have the same number in coverage as normal.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/16/2013 10:52:11 AM

L.C. wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

As always LC, you are spot on. You want to see a bad defense, take a defense that will give you the same basic or two basic looks on every play. If you know you are getting a straight cover two or three with a straight 3 or 4 man rush, you will see play after play that will exploit the seams and open spots like it's their jobs. even mixing up basic coverages, at some point it's hard to disquise if all you give them is a base defense or base look.

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/16/2013 2:27:28 PM

Who said play "vanilla" defense? I said play SOLID defense. Football is a game of match ups and that was a bad match up. I think they just tried to get too cute on that one. Besides that, how many of you have seen that coverage out of this staff over the last 9 years...just asking I don't know the answer but I doubt we've done it very often...if ever. I sure don't remember seeing it!

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RE: Can we get a 100-yd rusher this week?

Posted: 10/16/2013 3:28:54 PM

The zone blitz has been used all the time Burrow has been defensive coordinator. It's a useful tool, and if you are watching for it, you may see it once or twice a game. It's normally used on passing downs, particularly if you suspect a screen pass. Most of the time it's used, as a fan you won't notice it because you aren't specifically watching the DE. As a fan, when you do notice it is when something bad happens (DE can't cover receiver), or something good happens (DE gets an interception or pass breakup).

If you see a DE over in the middle of a screen pass, messing up the receiver, rather than chasing the QB, it may well have been a zone blitz. It works really well against those because the person chasing the QB is a much faster LB rather than a DE, and that doesn't give the screen time to set up, particularly since there is a DE over in the middle of it.

As you note, if the QB reads zone blitz, he can take advantage of it, so disguising it is important, as with all blitzes.

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