BobcatAttack.com - For Fans of Ohio University Sports

Welcome Guest!
Create an Account

site search

about us

advertise with us

help

BobcatAttack.com Message Board

Ohio Football

Topic: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Topic: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Author

Message

Bcat2
General User

Member Since: 7/6/2010
Post Count: 4,295

Status: Offline

Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/2/2013 7:49:01 PM

2012 they take NIU to double overtime at the MACC and today they lose to Akron. What are the excuses for this? Can someone explain this?

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK

Kevin Finnegan
General User

Member Since: 2/4/2005
Location: Rockton, IL
Post Count: 1,162

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/2/2013 8:16:33 PM

I know they didn't win the MACC, but this reminds me of a question my friends and I used to debate. Would you take one season of great things if it meant you would fall back into oblivion for a while after (Miami's MACC a couple of years ago, Buffalo's win as well) or would you prefer a number of very good to nearly great seasons in a row like OHIO has given us? Personally, I'd take what we've had over the alternative.

Mark Lembright '85
General User

Member Since: 8/22/2010
Location: Highland Heights, OH
Post Count: 2,460

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/2/2013 8:40:27 PM

finnOhio wrote:

I'll take a championship season every day of the week! It's the team's goal every season. What do we always read on this messageboard? We always read that Ohio hasn't won a MAC season since 1968. It's why the team entered this year with the phrase "Finish, No Regrets" as it's motto.

Last Edited: 11/2/2013 9:01:30 PM by Mark Lembright '85

OhioStunter
General User

Member Since: 2/18/2005
Location: Chicago
Post Count: 2,516

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/2/2013 9:17:59 PM

I enjoy Ohio being a winning team year after year and look forward to the bowl games.

L.C.
General User

Member Since: 8/31/2005
Location: United States
Post Count: 10,494

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/2/2013 9:34:02 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

[QUOTE=finnOhio]I I'll take a championship season every day of the week! It's the team's goal every season. What do we always read on this messageboard? We always read that Ohio hasn't won a MAC season since 1968. It's why the team entered this year with the phrase "Finish, No Regrets" as it's motto.

Yes, there are plenty of posts mentioning 1968, but there are also plenty mentioning the years between then and now as well, and plenty that mention the good, but non-Championship Grobe and Solich years, too.

I really don't think anyone wants either extreme. If the choice was a great year, followed by by period between Burke and Grobe, I think few would take it. What I think they want is lots of good years in a row, with each one having the hope of a Championship, and an actual Championship mixed in now and then. There is just one piece missing....Time to get it.

Last Edited: 11/2/2013 9:34:40 PM by L.C.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

Mark Lembright '85
General User

Member Since: 8/22/2010
Location: Highland Heights, OH
Post Count: 2,460

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/2/2013 9:53:55 PM

L.C. wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

You're right, L. C. The exception to what you're saying might be us Cleveland sports fans; we just want a championship in something someday!

Last Edited: 11/2/2013 9:58:05 PM by Mark Lembright '85

Bert Presley
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Where OHIO is winning and Miami is getting whipped, OH
Post Count: 370

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/2/2013 10:07:57 PM

Can someone tell me what is up with them taking the Old Chargers helmets?

I am and forever will be the Wizard of OU.

DocBobcat was my Principal; and is still one cool Cat.

OHIO BOBCATS 2011,2012 MAC EAST FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS
2012 Independence Bowl Champions
2012 Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Champions
2011 MAC Tournament Champions (Field Hockey)
2012 MAC Tournament Champions (Mens Basketball)
2012 NCAA Tournament Sweet 16 (Mens Basketball)

Pataskala
General User

Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 9,363

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 12:33:33 AM

Ohio certainly has been the most consistent among East division champs over the last few years. Since 2005, here's how the East division champs have done the year after they finished first in the East (there was a three-way tie in '05; in '07 not everyone played 8 MAC games and Fiami was named the winner because they & BG each had two losses and Fiami had beaten BG during the season):

Akron: 2005 – 5-3, 7-6; 2006 – 3-5, 5-7
Fiami: 2005 – 5-3, 7-4; 2006 – 2-6, 2-10
BG: 2005 – 5-3, 6-5; 2006 – 3-5, 4-8
Ohio: 2006 – 7-1, 9-5; 2007 – 4-4, 6-6
Fiami: 2007 – 5-2, 6-7; 2008 – 1-7, 2-10
BG: 2007 – 6-2, 8-5; 2008 – 4-4, 6-6
Buffalo: 2008 – 5-3, 8-6; 2009 – 3-5, 5-7
Ohio: 2009 – 7-1, 9-5; 2010 – 6-2, 8-5
Fiami: 2010 – 7-1, 10-4; 2011 – 3-5, 4-8
Ohio: 2011 – 6-2, 10-4; 2012 – 4-4, 9-4
Kent: 2012 – 8-0, 11-3; 2013 – 1-5, 2-8

Last Edited: 11/3/2013 12:41:20 AM by Pataskala

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

perimeterpost
General User

Member Since: 7/6/2010
Post Count: 3,165

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 1:02:41 AM

of the 110 FBS teams that have played a minimum of 300 games in their history, Kent State ranks #109 in winning % at 0.395. I don't think a single conference championship could wash away all of that pain and misery.

Sadly it looks as if last year was just an exception the the rule.

MY STATE. MY TEAM.

71 BOBCAT
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 1,903

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 8:04:20 AM

Why do you think their coach caught the 1st good offer out of town last season.

GO BOBCATS

MonroeClassmate
General User

Member Since: 8/31/2010
Post Count: 2,165

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 8:28:35 AM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

Why do you think their coach caught the 1st good offer out of town last season.

GO BOBCATS

Do you mean the first "BIG" money offer? I'd argue that the coach jumped into a pot of boiling water.
He'd have been better off waiting for a plumb job and not the Purdue spot. His team this year would lose by 40 to his team last season. MONEY, I guess that's what its all about.

Where is the thread: is it better to be a head coach at a perennial conference contender and have superior job security or is it better to be a conference dreg until you get canned?

Of course Kent is a perennial loser, however, I'd imagine the former coach staying could have made winning ala Solich, more permanent.

L.C.
General User

Member Since: 8/31/2005
Location: United States
Post Count: 10,494

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 9:57:50 AM

Pataskala wrote:

... Since 2005, here's how the East division champs have done the year after they finished first in the East...
Akron: 2005 – 5-3, 7-6; 2006 – 3-5, 5-7
Fiami: 2005 – 5-3, 7-4; 2006 – 2-6, 2-10
BG: 2005 – 5-3, 6-5; 2006 – 3-5, 4-8
Ohio: 2006 – 7-1, 9-5; 2007 – 4-4, 6-6
Fiami: 2007 – 5-2, 6-7; 2008 – 1-7, 2-10
BG: 2007 – 6-2, 8-5; 2008 – 4-4, 6-6
Buffalo: 2008 – 5-3, 8-6; 2009 – 3-5, 5-7
Ohio: 2009 – 7-1, 9-5; 2010 – 6-2, 8-5
Fiami: 2010 – 7-1, 10-4; 2011 – 3-5, 4-8
Ohio: 2011 – 6-2, 10-4; 2012 – 4-4, 9-4
Kent: 2012 – 8-0, 11-3; 2013 – 1-5, 2-8

'
Wow. Only one MAC team had a winning MAC record the season after winning the East. Only 2 teams had an overall winning record the following year. Only 4 teams managed .500 or better the following year, and three of those were Ohio.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

Bobcat Grad 86
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 1,397

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 10:41:40 AM

Bert Presley wrote:

Can someone tell me what is up with them taking the Old Chargers helmets?

In response to MAC Championship History discussion and Helmets, Helmet Hut has finally added Ohio University.

http://www.helmethut.com/College/Ohio%20University/1968.html

http://www.helmethut.com/

OhioCatFan
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 14,743

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 12:24:41 PM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Bert Presley wrote:

Can someone tell me what is up with them taking the Old Chargers helmets?

In response to MAC Championship History discussion and Helmets, Helmet Hut has finally added Ohio University.

http://www.helmethut.com/College/Ohio%20University/1968.html

http://www.helmethut.com/

I really like these old Alden-Era helmets. I'd like to see a throw back uniform with them, at the very least.

Last Edited: 11/3/2013 12:24:57 PM by OhioCatFan

The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA

"It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right."

Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org

JSF
General User

Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,549

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 2:00:28 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

MONEY, I guess that's what its all about.

Yes, people's jobs are often about money. Why wouldn't it be? He got paid for leaving freaking Kent.

"Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season.

My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8

Pataskala
General User

Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 9,363

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 2:18:38 PM

JSF wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

MONEY, I guess that's what its all about.

Yes, people's jobs are often about money. Why wouldn't it be? He got paid for leaving freaking Kent.

He should've been paid more for GOING there than for leaving.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

OhioCatFan
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 14,743

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 4:35:24 PM

As I recall, unlike most of these guys, he stayed at KSU through their bowl game. I thought that the honorable thing. I wonder how long he'll have at Purdue. He's not off to a real good start. I sort of wonder if he might end up like Stan Parish who took Marshall to its first-post crash winning season and a 7-3-1 record in his last season before going to Kansas State, where he was unable to revive the moribund program, then one of the two worst in D-1A. The second worst, arguably, was also in the same state in Lawrence.

MonroeClassmate
General User

Member Since: 8/31/2010
Post Count: 2,165

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 7:47:52 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

You mention Lawrence--how's that money doing for Gill?

IMO The MAC coaches choosing to move up should show some patience and look for a stepping stone to a cream job if you keep excelling. Best to go the route of Urban or Hayward and go to a program in a conference not necessarily known for football where you could make a sudden impact. Going to Illinois or Purdue and you have a staight uphill battle with real short odds of success. Look for jobs at Louisville, Cincinnati, Pitt, Cuse and several out west.

L.C.
General User

Member Since: 8/31/2005
Location: United States
Post Count: 10,494

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 9:29:44 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

Here's a list of best to worst in all time winning percentages. With Kent at 108 out of 109, pretty much anywhere has to be up. Purdue has a long term percentage of 53.3%, in 58th place, so it's actually pretty good, historically. Kansas is worse, at 49.8%, in 80th place.

The worst AQ teams to move "up" to would be Wake Forest, Indiana, Northwestern, Kansas State, and Iowa State. Coaches that do survive at those schools will sometimes get an opportunity to move up to a better place. At Northwestern, for example, some prior coaches are Lou Saban, Ara Parseghian, Dennis Green, and Gary Barnett so schools with historically bad records are not always dead ends.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

OhioCatFan
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 14,743

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/3/2013 10:48:05 PM

L.C., mentioning Gary Barnett reminded me of this anomaly that occurred in 1995. Note that Northwestern only lost one regular season game that year enroute to their Big Ten championship. Then note who that one was loss was against. Then contemplate how the Big Ten champs only loss could have been to the school that defines the word "suck" when used in its colloquial meaning. Have we entered the Twilight Zone?

Date	Time	Opponent^#	Rank^#	Site	TV	Result	Attendance
September 2	1:30 PM	at #9 Notre Dame*		Notre Dame Stadium • Notre Dame, IN	NBC	W 17–15	59,075
September 16	11:00 AM	Miami (OH)*	#25	Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL	ESPN2	L 28–30	26,352
September 23	11:30 AM	Air Force*		Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL	ESPN	W 30–6	26,037
September 30	1:00 PM	Indiana		Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL		W 31–7	29,223
October 7	11:30 AM	at #7 Michigan	#25	Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI	ESPN	W 19–13	104,642
October 14	1:00 PM	at Minnesota	#14	Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome •Minneapolis, MN		W 27–17	50,504
October 21	11:30 AM	#24 Wisconsin	#11	Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL	ESPN2	W 35–0	49,256
October 28	11:00 AM	at Illinois	#8	Memorial Stadium • Champaign, IL	SCC	W 17–14	65,425
November 4	2:30 PM	#12 Penn State	#6	Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL	ABC	W 21–10	49,256
November 11	11:00 AM	Iowa	#5	Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL	ESPN+	W 31–20	49,256
November 18	2:30 PM	at Purdue	#5	Ross–Ade Stadium • West Lafayette, IN	ABC	W 23–8	47,172
January 1	3:30 PM	vs. #17 USC*	#3	Rose Bowl • Pasadena, CA (Rose Bowl)	ABC	L 32–41	100,102
*Non-conference game. Homecoming. ^#Rankings from Coaches' Poll released prior to game. All times are in Central Time.

Pataskala
General User

Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 9,363

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/4/2013 7:01:02 AM

And Fiami didn't even win the MAC that year. They were 6-1-1 and I think they finished second. Could be NU had a big letdown after knocking off ND the previous week, but a win is still a win. Fiami's coach was Randy Walker who succeeded Barnett at NU four years later.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

ShoreCat
General User

Member Since: 3/10/2011
Location: Avon Lake, OH
Post Count: 217

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/4/2013 11:54:15 AM

If you define "great season" as simply winning a conference championship, then I'd rather take consistently good years like we are seeing now. Change that definition to winning a national championship, then I'd have a different take. I was there from 90-95. We celebrated a win over Kent by tearing down the goal posts. The highlight of that football era for me was the alumni band fight vs. Miami. Compared to now...Dion's INT return, beating Penn State, etc., etc.

Now if the Browns won a Super Bowl, I'd be so happy they could go 0-16 for a decade and I wouldn't care.

Casper71
General User

Member Since: 12/1/2006
Post Count: 3,090

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/4/2013 2:17:05 PM

Hey, didn't those 1968 throwback helmets have an asterik or something in the logo where Athens is located?

As for who I want to be like: not Kent St! Who wants one good year in 50 (oh, that was us pre FS+Co).

I would much rather be NIU...they are in the midst of a real good run under MULTIPLE coaches. Obviously, they are doing something right. So are we other than winning a MACC game.

As for amazing...other than the new addition (UMASS) you don't have to go back too far to have had EVERY team in the East win one divisional championship with, I think, no repaters.

I also wonder how many of those teams lost a coach after winning the division. Probably most (other than us:)!

colobobcat66
General User

Member Since: 9/1/2006
Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO
Post Count: 4,546

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/4/2013 2:37:00 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

hey, Gill got $6,000,000 for being fired at Kansas. $6,000,000! He's currently coaching at Liberty where I'm guessing that he's making $200,000-$300,000. I don't think you can question that he came out ahead of staying at Buffalo.

Diamond Cat
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 857

Status: Offline

RE: Kent, From 11-3 to Losing to 2-8

Posted: 11/4/2013 2:45:43 PM

I never did get the Hazel hype. I think the dude used the recruits of his predecessor (Doug Martin?) and cashed in on the talent. I guess time will tell at Purdue.

Showing Replies:	1 - 25 of 30 Posts
Jump to Page:	1 \| 2 Next >

View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics

There are 510 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com

509 Guests
1 Registered User:
	Victory

There are no other users looking at this page.