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Eagle66
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  Message Not Read  League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 3:25:00 PM 
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Statement from Mid-American Conference Coordinator of Officials, Bill Carollo, in review of Tuesday night’s Buffalo vs. Ohio football game
“In accordance with our procedures, I have reviewed last night’s football game between Ohio and Buffalo.  After my analysis, there are two plays that I acknowledge were incorrect with how they were handled both on the field by our officials and in the replay booth.
 
The first play with 14:51 remaining in the second quarter, where a fumble by Ohio’s Matt Waters at the Buffalo 28-yard line was ruled a fumble on the field.  This is a reviewable play and after review, the replay official ruled that the play should ‘stand’.  The NCAA replay philosophy with regard to overturning plays on the field is that indisputable video evidence must be provided to overturn the ruling on the field.  The replay official felt this high standard was not met. However, after careful review the runner’s right leg was down before the fumble. This play should have been ruled down and the fumble overturned with Ohio maintaining possession.
 
In addition, early in the third quarter Ohio quarterback Tyler Tettleton was pressured by Buffalo defenders and threw the ball out of bounds which was ruled intentional grounding from the end zone and resulted in a safety. By rule the location of the pass attempt is not a reviewable play, per RULE 12, Sect. 3, Art. 1.  In review, the proper call was intentional grounding, however, Ohio’s Tettleton threw the pass in the field of play and not from the end zone.  This play should not have resulted in a safety.  The next play should have been fourth down at the spot of the incomplete pass.  This was an officiating error with regard to judgment and the officiating mechanics by the covering officials.  
 
As in all MAC games, every play within every game is thoroughly reviewed and graded on its accuracy and has impact on the final year end evaluation for every official.  In my opinion, both of these plays were not handled properly by our officiating crew.”
 
 
For background:  Bill Carollo is the Coordinator of Officials for the Collegiate Officiating Consortium (COC-Football), which was established in 2009 and includes the MAC, the Big Ten Conference and Missouri Valley Football Conference to administer football officiating for all three conferences.
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 3:25:22 PM 
Not that they can do anything about it...
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 3:41:50 PM 
You know the calls were bad when it takes about 15 hours for the league to come out and admit it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 3:50:51 PM 
Steve wrote:
You know the calls were bad when it takes about 15 hours for the league to come out and admit it.

I think the bad press from Paul Mayberg (USA Today), Martin Rickman (sports Illustrated.com) and the Yahoo Sports article had something to do with it as well.

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 3:55:27 PM 
Now I have proof that this was indeed the worst officiated game I've ever witnessed, and I've seen some bad one's in my day.  These guys give clowns a bad name.  OK, I do feel better, getting that off my chest. 

I'm not among those conceding the BG.  I think it's very winnable.   Go OHIO!


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 4:03:17 PM 
What good is having a rule in the book of "an offensive lineman cannot help a runner" if it is never called?

Saw it called once in a HS game but never in college/pros.

Get rid of the rule and make the game more exciting by letting the teammates catapult the ball carrier over the D for a first down or score or perhaps a few stepping stones then let the guy leap on his own.  If you can drag the guy out of a tackle and grab him along so he doesn't go down and a flag isnt thrown than just do away with the rule.
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 4:05:38 PM 
Step #1: Acknowledge the mistake. CHECK

Step #2: Take corrective action. ____________
 
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 4:12:33 PM 
Eagle66 wrote:
Steve wrote:
You know the calls were bad when it takes about 15 hours for the league to come out and admit it.

I think the bad press from Paul Mayberg (USA Today), Martin Rickman (sports Illustrated.com) and the Yahoo Sports article had something to do with it as well.

 

Guess it's a little harder to hide from stuff  like this when the games are on ESPN instead of Time Warner.


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 4:23:58 PM 
Dear Mr. Carollo,

Was the safety call an "egregious error" per Rule 12, Sec. 3, Art. 6?

If an "egregious error", is the spot of the throw not a reviewable play?

If not an "egregious error," please describe the circumstances in which an "egregious error" could occur on such a play, because it is hard to imagine how a worse call could happen, what with the referee literally right next to the quarterback and looking right at the pass, unless we want to consider that maybe....MAYBE....someone's thumb was on the scale. And I don't think we want to consider thumbs, scales, and the former being placed on the latter, do we?

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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 7:44:34 PM 
As bad as the refs were last night - and they were really bad - the sad reality of it all is that the Bobcats were even worse.
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 7:47:57 PM 
I always love it when a league admits their lousy refs screwed up after the fact, but nothing can be done to reverse their lousy calls.  It's not like baseball, where they could pick up the game at the screw-up point at some later (ala the pine tar incident between the Yankees and the Royals).  Maybe our record book should have an asterisk after last night's game with the footnote "Worst officiated game ever."


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 8:20:42 PM 
Zaleski wrote:
As bad as the refs were last night - and they were really bad - the sad reality of it all is that the Bobcats were even worse.

Bingo. It was like November 2012 all over again.
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 9:31:11 PM 

Two of those calls (Cochran/Waters) would have set up the half time score 17-0 Cats instead of 7-3 Bulls.  You think the outcome may have been different? We played well in the first half.  Too much to overcome vs a decent team.  


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 10:07:10 PM 
What I would like to hear is that these incompetent idiots would never officiate another game.  I'd have to think back to some high school games where refs made such poor calls.  These calls were so bad that I have to think their intentions were to throw the game in Buffalo's favor.
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/6/2013 10:58:37 PM 
DublinCat wrote:
Two of those calls (Cochran/Waters) would have set up the half time score 17-0 Cats instead of 7-3 Bulls. You think the outcome may have been different? We played well in the first half. Too much to overcome vs a decent team.


Ohio couldn't score 1 TD in all their possessions combined, what makes you think they would have scored 2 without officials. At the end of the day, OHIO still got manhandled.
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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/7/2013 12:13:41 AM 
DublinCat wrote:

Two of those calls (Cochran/Waters) would have set up the half time score 17-0 Cats instead of 7-3 Bulls.  You think the outcome may have been different? We played well in the first half.  Too much to overcome vs a decent team.  


Seriously?

At some point, some sense of what's happening on the field must inform.


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/7/2013 7:11:41 AM 
Watching the replay I was surprised that T2 didn't say something to McCabe when he called the safety.  T2 was walking past him when he made his explanation and ruled it a safety.  I'm sure he knew where he was on the field when he threw the ball, but he didn't say a word or even point to the spot on the field where he threw it or anything.  He just strolled to the sideline.  Maybe he was waiting for Solich to say something, but most any other player would have been arguing the case. He looked like he had didn't have any fight left.


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/7/2013 9:59:18 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
Watching the replay I was surprised that T2 didn't say something to McCabe when he called the safety.  T2 was walking past him when he made his explanation and ruled it a safety.  I'm sure he knew where he was on the field when he threw the ball, but he didn't say a word or even point to the spot on the field where he threw it or anything.  He just strolled to the sideline.  Maybe he was waiting for Solich to say something, but most any other player would have been arguing the case. He looked like he had didn't have any fight left.


This highlights a problem that I see with TT this year.  He doesn't seem to really care.  He's very nonchalant about things.  You can cite a few examples to the contrary, but it seems what you observed here is more the rule than the exception.  Put it another way, there doesn't seem to the same "fire in the belly" that was there when we played Penn State or when he rallied the team for the come-from-behind victory in the Tater Bowl.  There is something missing.  I don't know whether it's all mental, or whether there's a physical component.  Even the announcers mentioned that it didn't look like the TT they remember and that he didn't seem as mobile (or words to that effect).  This, more than anything, is why I think we need to see more of Vick in the remaining games. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/7/2013 10:09:51 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Watching the replay I was surprised that T2 didn't say something to McCabe when he called the safety.  T2 was walking past him when he made his explanation and ruled it a safety.  I'm sure he knew where he was on the field when he threw the ball, but he didn't say a word or even point to the spot on the field where he threw it or anything.  He just strolled to the sideline.  Maybe he was waiting for Solich to say something, but most any other player would have been arguing the case. He looked like he had didn't have any fight left.


This highlights a problem that I see with TT this year.  He doesn't seem to really care.  He's very nonchalant about things.  You can cite a few examples to the contrary, but it seems what you observed here is more the rule than the exception.  Put it another way, there doesn't seem to the same "fire in the belly" that was there when we played Penn State or when he rallied the team for the come-from-behind victory in the Tater Bowl.  There is something missing.  I don't know whether it's all mental, or whether there's a physical component.  Even the announcers mentioned that it didn't look like the TT they remember and that he didn't seem as mobile (or words to that effect).  This, more than anything, is why I think we need to see more of Vick in the remaining games. 


That safety play, also highlights the TT of the past and the current TT. The past TT would have never backed up 20 yards looking down field, he would have tucked the ball and tried to make the pass rush miss him (it may or may not have worked). Personally, I think he looks downfield too much now...but I'm not sure about the injury side of things or what his is being told from his coaches.

It seems like when TT makes a few scrambles early in the game...the results are good. When he has a chance to scramble, but doesn't...the results are bad.
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   Posted: 11/7/2013 10:24:06 AM 
Pat and CincyBob have this right.  As much as we like the current staff, I seldom see the kind of emotion that football requires to "win big".  I believe the players take the cue from the head coach.  Being reserved is one thing but there are times you have to get emotional.  We zre all on #4 but the same goes for #8.  Both showed no emotion or in any way demonstrated those two calls were wrong.  You should pop up, point to the ground and emphatically state you were down if you are #8.  And if you  are #4 at least point to where you threw the ball throw up your hands and show disgust.  Even the coach didn't really go ballistic on this (maybe take a 15 yard penalty) which I think he should have to fire up his team.  It was a disappointing night all around. 

All in all, I still say if they pack it in and don't come out with emotions high vs BG this is a big ass whooping waiting to happen.
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   Posted: 11/7/2013 10:49:52 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
I believe the players take the cue from the head coach.  Being reserved is one thing but there are times you have to get emotional. 


Frank was livid and was screaming at the refs to the point of veins were standing out on his head and neck. Short of punching the ref I'm not sure how much more emotional you would have liked him to get.
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   Posted: 11/7/2013 11:36:40 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Pat and CincyBob have this right.  As much as we like the current staff, I seldom see the kind of emotion that football requires to "win big".  I believe the players take the cue from the head coach.  Being reserved is one thing but there are times you have to get emotional.  We zre all on #4 but the same goes for #8.  Both showed no emotion or in any way demonstrated those two calls were wrong.  You should pop up, point to the ground and emphatically state you were down if you are #8.  And if you  are #4 at least point to where you threw the ball throw up your hands and show disgust.  Even the coach didn't really go ballistic on this (maybe take a 15 yard penalty) which I think he should have to fire up his team.  It was a disappointing night all around. 

All in all, I still say if they pack it in and don't come out with emotions high vs BG this is a big ass whooping waiting to happen.


I think you're talking about the non-fumble "fumble," which was #80, not #8.
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   Posted: 11/7/2013 12:03:42 PM 
OUVan wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
I believe the players take the cue from the head coach.  Being reserved is one thing but there are times you have to get emotional. 


Frank was livid and was screaming at the refs to the point of veins were standing out on his head and neck. Short of punching the ref I'm not sure how much more emotional you would have liked him to get.


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/7/2013 12:09:32 PM 
Let's also not forget the first bad call that set the tone for the game- offensive pass interference on Waters as he makes a catch on the 5 yard line. Totally bogus call. Cats score at least a FG there, they were in FG range when the bogus fumble was called, Buffalo gets behind and suddenly both teams are calling different plays and playing with different momentum and confidence. The refs absolutely ruined this game from the get go.


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  Message Not Read  RE: League Admits Officiating Errors
   Posted: 11/7/2013 1:36:46 PM 
OUVan wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
I believe the players take the cue from the head coach.  Being reserved is one thing but there are times you have to get emotional. 


Frank was livid and was screaming at the refs to the point of veins were standing out on his head and neck. Short of punching the ref I'm not sure how much more emotional you would have liked him to get.


Exactly!  Solich was absolutley livid after that play.  Problem was, the team did NOT take a cue from their head coach in that situation.  We've all seen games were a bad call can fire up a team against whom the call is made.  That bad safety call had the opposite effect on our team, it deflated them.  Instead of an "us against the world" mentality, the team had a "woe is me" mentality.  And has been pointed out by another poster, that attitude was embodied most by the team's field leader and quarterback, Tettleton.
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