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It's obvious TT must have some lingering injury that keeps him from running which greatly diminishes his passing ability. When TT beats a bad team it's TT is great, when TT throws a terd like Buffalo, Kent and BG last year it's the offensive coordinator right? TT from an objective eye made many poor decisions and a lot of bad throws. It's time to give Vick his chance since he will be taking over. The MAC championship is not going to happen and not even the MAC east. TT last night looked more like the Louisville TT which is not a good look. I look at this objectively and am not blinded by being local or blindly loyal to status quo. This is nothing personal against TT, he has had a great run at OU but he hasn't won a big MAC game in two years! If he's hurt I understand but its time to think about 2014 and 2015 unless your happy beating up on UMass, Fiami, AP, EMU and Akron's of the world. Back to Top bobcat695 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Parkersburg, WV Post Count: 1,345 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 12:14:45 PM  The season's basically over in terms of any meaningful team accomplishments.  Whiile I'm excited about Vick's dual threat potential, Tyler has earned the right to finish his career under center.  I'm sure the seniors are more disappointed than any of us will ever be about the way things look like they are ending.  I think it would be respectful to unchain the play calling a little and let him finish his career the same way it started. "You can't un-fist a fist pump." - Saul Phillips 1/24/15 Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 1:03:16 PM  I don't think Vick should start...TT has had a solid career and should be given the chance to finish on a high note. However, we should start giving Vick lots of reps and guys like Sebastian Smith should start getting several targets per game. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,061 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 3:50:31 PM  Well, I guess Vick can hand the ball off for a dive up the middle as good as Tettleton can.... Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,743 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 3:59:38 PM  Start TT.  Put Vick in for the second possession and see how he performs.  Then evaluate which QB is getting the job done best.  My hunch is it'll be Vick. Let that QB finish the game.  The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Eagle66 General User Member Since: 3/13/2005 Post Count: 1,329 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 4:08:27 PM  bobcat695 wrote: The season's basically over in terms of any meaningful team accomplishments. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd consider another Bowl appearance and a third straight win meaningful. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,494 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 4:31:38 PM  I think TT needs to start, but I think that there is no reason to play him the whole game. We need to see Vick and/or Sprague getting some snaps in the remaining games, just as they have for most of the season. They need to continue to add experience to prepare for next year. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,162 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 4:39:12 PM  I really think the better quarterback should start, no matter age or experience. If that's Vick, Tettleton should not start just because he is the senior with experience. It's easy to trash Tettleton after last night, but he had played pretty remarkably the previous three games. I just hope that the coach would make the decision based on current ability and skills rather than in what has previously been done. Back to Top Zaleski General User Member Since: 8/23/2010 Location: League City, TX Post Count: 225 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 7:56:40 PM  I agree with the sentiments expressed above that there's no reason to bench Tettleton.  He's our starter and should remain so because he has earned it.  I also agree that if we want to hit the ground running next year (and no, I don't mean a plunge up the middle on 3rd and 7), Vick has to be worked into five or six series a game to get him experience.  Same thing with the other back ups.  Maybe not so much against BG but definitely against the Flashes and UMASS. Back to Top PhiTau74 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Columbia, SC Post Count: 457 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 8:21:14 PM  Putting Vick in when were down by 20-30 like at Louisville or at Buffalo accomplishes nothing. Spurier has no problem pulling Conner Shaw down here at Sputh Carolina when he is not getting the job done. The old ball coach knows a little Bit about QB's and Conner Shaw is a hell of a lot better than TT. You keep doing things the same way you can't expect different results. In our last 15 games OU is 8-7 with wins over AP, EMU twice, Fiami, Akron so it's not really happening is it. We have been smoked by Buffalo, Kent, Ball St and Bowling Green but hey keep doing it the same way and I'm sure it's going to change the results. Back to Top The Pessimist General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Location: Allentown, PA Post Count: 145 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/6/2013 10:02:34 PM  All time leading passer. Let's fire Solich if he doesn't win a bowl game this year... he's our all-time leading bowl coach, but you just gotta get it done.  Period. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/7/2013 12:12:05 AM  Starting Vick is okay by me.  I'd sure have a quick hook with TT if the nonoffense keeps happening. Also, I'd run start the game running the hurry up and keep running it as long as possible. We need a spark, some excitement. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,165 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/7/2013 7:23:43 AM  Start TT but tell him to run the draw and run the keeper or run for the locker room because he just demoted himself to the scout team.  Look at the tapes from two years ago when TT ran often-- scoring and redzone success and excitement and a blown play or two by teammates in the MAC Champs or it would have been the perfect year.  Albin, look at the films. Definately the hurry up.  Buffalo had to burn a TO because OHIO was using it effectively for a series.  Forget looking to the sideline for the play as a playbook of about 8 regularly used plays can be picked by anyone running an offense. Purhaps coaches think neither of the backups is ready for prime time and that is why TT doesn't run--concerned of the consequences without him? Back to Top Rowdy Rufus General User Member Since: 1/11/2011 Post Count: 356 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 9:47:14 AM  Paul Graham wrote: I don't think Vick should start...TT has had a solid career and should be given the chance to finish on a high note. However, we should start giving Vick lots of reps and guys like Sebastian Smith should start getting several targets per game. Let me start by saying this is not ment to be disrespectful to you or challenge your comments.  I normally agree with most everything you say.   I'm simply using your quote so please understand I come in peace.  haha.... I'll also apologize up front for the pending rant....   It's frustrating because I don't think we are getting the most out of this team.    Im not sure I follow your logic regarding Smith.    Why would we want smith to get several targets per game when (foster, cochran, waters) are only getting 3 to 4 per game and seem to only be limited by the amount of pass plays called by Albin.   All 3 have had great success when targeted and seem to all have very good hands and can come up with the hard catch.  Foster can get open better than anyone I've ever seen.   Waters has come up with big play after big play and Cochran generally can pull cover 2 and can help open up Foster and Waters.     If we target Smith several times then we limit the starters reps which would seem to be counter productive.  Frankly, this insane rotation we have with receivers makes no sense to me or anyone I've ever spoke to who are way smarter than me when it comes to football.  Its no wonder TT has some struggles because he has no idea from play to play who his receivers are.       Maybe targeting these 3 more is the better choice given the position we are in.   What do we have to lose.   More important:  We need to keep these 3 in the game at the same time.   Stop rotating Dovell in and out.  I've heard some say he can block better than all the others.  However, how many times does a WR's block on the outside effect our running game up the middle.   If we were an option team then maybe that would be more critical.      Any good D coordinator can tell that when Dovel is in that we are either going to run or target Foster and Waters.   We then bring in Cochran in on 3rd and long and guess what  (he draws cover 2 or 3 even if we don't throw the ball.   Cochran was 5th (earlier this week) in all of FBS in avg yards per reception.   Maybe one of the fastest players in the MAC but we generally target him only on deep balls.  Maybe a few crossing routes (like his first catch vs Buff). Which we only tried once.   It was 25 yards but easily could have been 6 points had he not had to slow down to wait on the ball.   Perfect example is Baylor.   I noticed in last nights game that  this is the route of choice for their faster receivers.   The deep ball is easy to defend no matter how fast you are.     Get him the ball in open space and let him run.  Ironically, 2 of the 4 ahead of Cochran are from (your guessed it) Baylor.   I Sorry for venting but I think we still have yet to scratch the surface with the potential that Foster, Cochran and Waters bring to the table.   And for heavens sake.  Stop bringing in so many WR;s per game.   Could be part of the problem TT is having.    Honestly, I'm not sure why Dovell is playing.  It's unfortunate that he got hurt last year and missed all of last season, all of spring and all of fall practice.  Cochran stepped in and earned that starting roll.   Dovel comes back week 4 after being off so long and steps right into the starting position.   I'm sorry but that is wrong.    I'm not saying he should not play but Cochran has earned that right and has proven to be the better player that brings more to the team. This goes back all the way to the bowl game.     When Dovel comes in the game then the D simply doubles Donte.   When Cochran comes in they now play cover 2 or 3 on him.     It's no secret now.. Dovel starts the game plays 2 downs, Cochran comes in and we go deep.   Our game plan is simply too easy to figure out and I'm not that smart... Oh and by the way... When we have found success in our passing game then I feel our running game seems to benefit as well.    Our offense is like a box of Chocolates....  "and that's all I have to say about that" Thanks for listening/reading.   I still love our Bobcats.      Back to Top Rowdy Rufus General User Member Since: 1/11/2011 Post Count: 356 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 9:52:38 AM  PhiTau74 wrote: Putting Vick in when were down by 20-30 like at Louisville or at Buffalo accomplishes nothing. Spurier has no problem pulling Conner Shaw down here at Sputh Carolina when he is not getting the job done. The old ball coach knows a little Bit about QB's and Conner Shaw is a hell of a lot better than TT. You keep doing things the same way you can't expect different results. In our last 15 games OU is 8-7 with wins over AP, EMU twice, Fiami, Akron so it's not really happening is it. We have been smoked by Buffalo, Kent, Ball St and Bowling Green but hey keep doing it the same way and I'm sure it's going to change the results.  ah.. don't forget wins against ULM, Marshall and North Texas.  Lets not forget that Marshall and N. Texas could very well meet in the C-USA championship.   Not sure I would say we were smoked by BG.. Special teams cost us this game not TT.   Ball state was not as bad as the score either.    Back to Top Rowdy Rufus General User Member Since: 1/11/2011 Post Count: 356 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 9:55:48 AM  The Pessimist wrote: All time leading passer. Let's fire Solich if he doesn't win a bowl game this year... he's our all-time leading bowl coach, but you just gotta get it done.  Period.  I suspect this may be Solich's last year anyway.   I cant help to think he's seriously contemplating retirement.     This may be the reason we are not seeing any push to find another OC.   Why bother if your going to retire.... This is just my opinion and I have no evidence to support my thinking.  Just a gut feeling.... Back to Top Rowdy Rufus General User Member Since: 1/11/2011 Post Count: 356 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 9:58:11 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Starting Vick is okay by me.  I'd sure have a quick hook with TT if the nonoffense keeps happening. Also, I'd run start the game running the hurry up and keep running it as long as possible. We need a spark, some excitement. How do you define nonoffense.    You can't hook TT if we call 1st and Beau, 2nd and Beau and 3rd and (either Beau, deep to Cochran or bubble).  Non of which have a high percent of success.    Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 11:54:39 AM  Y'know who I want as our qb?  The guy or gal who's confident, a leader, knowing, refuses to lose, actions over words, executes, is accountable, determined, unflappable. I don't care what his name is.  I don't care if he's been on the team five years or five minutes.  I want the guy who's most capable. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 12:48:20 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Y'know who I want as our qb?  The guy or gal who's confident, a leader, knowing, refuses to lose, actions over words, executes, is accountable, determined, unflappable. I don't care what his name is.  I don't care if he's been on the team five years or five minutes.  I want the guy who's most capable. I'd say that's what you have. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,363 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 12:58:35 PM  If we were where Kent, Akron, EMU, WMU, UMass and Fiami are, I'd consider limiting T2 to a quarter or two and getting Vick & Sprague more reps.  But we're still in the hunt for a bowl bid.  Right now we're probably 6th on the pecking order, but we could easily move up to 4th -- 3rd if a tsunami from Lake Erie were to wipe out Buffalo.  So I'm for sticking with T2.  But we need better play calling and better blocking to get the run game going.  We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top bobcat28 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: United States Post Count: 808 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 1:17:18 PM  I think Frank has 2 years left. Back to Top PhiTau74 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Columbia, SC Post Count: 457 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 2:07:33 PM  Rowdy Rufus wrote: PhiTau74 wrote: Putting Vick in when were down by 20-30 like at Louisville or at Buffalo accomplishes nothing. Spurier has no problem pulling Conner Shaw down here at Sputh Carolina when he is not getting the job done. The old ball coach knows a little Bit about QB's and Conner Shaw is a hell of a lot better than TT. You keep doing things the same way you can't expect different results. In our last 15 games OU is 8-7 with wins over AP, EMU twice, Fiami, Akron so it's not really happening is it. We have been smoked by Buffalo, Kent, Ball St and Bowling Green but hey keep doing it the same way and I'm sure it's going to change the results.  ah.. don't forget wins against ULM, Marshall and North Texas.  Lets not forget that Marshall and N. Texas could very well meet in the C-USA championship.   Not sure I would say we were smoked by BG.. Special teams cost us this game not TT.   Ball state was not as bad as the score either.    So you just need to get ULM, Marshall and North Texas to move to the MAC and we can say we finally beat a MAC team with a winning record. If our goal is to occasionally beat teams ranked 70-100 that are non conference then you should be real happy. Finishing 6 or 7 in a below average conference is a great accomplishment. How about beating a MAC team with a winning record, actually winning a MAC title or beating a top 25 team. We got totally dismantled by Louisville and honestly Louisville would be 6 or 7 in the SEC at best.   Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 4:24:35 PM  Rowdy Rufus wrote: Paul Graham wrote: I don't think Vick should start...TT has had a solid career and should be given the chance to finish on a high note. However, we should start giving Vick lots of reps and guys like Sebastian Smith should start getting several targets per game. Let me start by saying this is not ment to be disrespectful to you or challenge your comments.  I normally agree with most everything you say.   I'm simply using your quote so please understand I come in peace.  haha.... I'll also apologize up front for the pending rant....   It's frustrating because I don't think we are getting the most out of this team.    Im not sure I follow your logic regarding Smith.    Why would we want smith to get several targets per game when (foster, cochran, waters) are only getting 3 to 4 per game and seem to only be limited by the amount of pass plays called by Albin.   All 3 have had great success when targeted and seem to all have very good hands and can come up with the hard catch.  Foster can get open better than anyone I've ever seen.   Waters has come up with big play after big play and Cochran generally can pull cover 2 and can help open up Foster and Waters.     If we target Smith several times then we limit the starters reps which would seem to be counter productive.  Frankly, this insane rotation we have with receivers makes no sense to me or anyone I've ever spoke to who are way smarter than me when it comes to football.  Its no wonder TT has some struggles because he has no idea from play to play who his receivers are.       Maybe targeting these 3 more is the better choice given the position we are in.   What do we have to lose.   More important:  We need to keep these 3 in the game at the same time.   Stop rotating Dovell in and out.  I've heard some say he can block better than all the others.  However, how many times does a WR's block on the outside effect our running game up the middle.   If we were an option team then maybe that would be more critical.      Any good D coordinator can tell that when Dovel is in that we are either going to run or target Foster and Waters.   We then bring in Cochran in on 3rd and long and guess what  (he draws cover 2 or 3 even if we don't throw the ball.   Cochran was 5th (earlier this week) in all of FBS in avg yards per reception.   Maybe one of the fastest players in the MAC but we generally target him only on deep balls.  Maybe a few crossing routes (like his first catch vs Buff). Which we only tried once.   It was 25 yards but easily could have been 6 points had he not had to slow down to wait on the ball.   Perfect example is Baylor.   I noticed in last nights game that  this is the route of choice for their faster receivers.   The deep ball is easy to defend no matter how fast you are.     Get him the ball in open space and let him run.  Ironically, 2 of the 4 ahead of Cochran are from (your guessed it) Baylor.   I Sorry for venting but I think we still have yet to scratch the surface with the potential that Foster, Cochran and Waters bring to the table.   And for heavens sake.  Stop bringing in so many WR;s per game.   Could be part of the problem TT is having.    Honestly, I'm not sure why Dovell is playing.  It's unfortunate that he got hurt last year and missed all of last season, all of spring and all of fall practice.  Cochran stepped in and earned that starting roll.   Dovel comes back week 4 after being off so long and steps right into the starting position.   I'm sorry but that is wrong.    I'm not saying he should not play but Cochran has earned that right and has proven to be the better player that brings more to the team. This goes back all the way to the bowl game.     When Dovel comes in the game then the D simply doubles Donte.   When Cochran comes in they now play cover 2 or 3 on him.     It's no secret now.. Dovel starts the game plays 2 downs, Cochran comes in and we go deep.   Our game plan is simply too easy to figure out and I'm not that smart... Oh and by the way... When we have found success in our passing game then I feel our running game seems to benefit as well.    Our offense is like a box of Chocolates....  "and that's all I have to say about that" Thanks for listening/reading.   I still love our Bobcats.      I agree with pretty much everything you said. :) But just to give you some context for my comment...The only reason I mention Smith by name is because I think he is a probable starter for next season. Since this thread is (was?) about seasoning the younger guys for next year, I mentioned him. I ***completely*** agree with what you said about rotation of receivers. I cannot understand how someone is supposed to get a feel for the game when they are only targeted a handful of times per game. Who does that? I've never seen another team use seven or eight receivers in a rotation like that. Are we meant to believe that there is so much parity between guys that it doesn't matter who is out there? That's insanity. If that is true, we are in more serious trouble than we thought. Oh, and while we're on the subject I should mention I was totally wrong about Waters. I threw a tantrum when he was recruited, but he's been a nice addition. My beef at the time was that we really needed a game breaking receiver post-Brazill and we brought in a possession guy JUCO. That's like needing a bed and buying a blender. But regardless...he's been a nice blender. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,494 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/8/2013 8:05:30 PM  Paul Graham wrote: ...Oh, and while we're on the subject I should mention I was totally wrong about Waters. I threw a tantrum when he was recruited, but he's been a nice addition. My beef at the time was that we really needed a game breaking receiver post-Brazill and we brought in a possession guy JUCO. That's like needing a bed and buying a blender. But regardless...he's been a nice blender. My take was that Waters was the replacement for Riley Dunlop, and they thought Foster, or perhaps Sebastian Smilth would replace Brazill. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Vick should start    Posted: 11/9/2013 1:35:12 AM  Robert Fox wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Y'know who I want as our qb?  The guy or gal who's confident, a leader, knowing, refuses to lose, actions over words, executes, is accountable, determined, unflappable. I don't care what his name is.  I don't care if he's been on the team five years or five minutes.  I want the guy who's most capable. I'd say that's what you have. I'd say that what we have is no one who's shown this year that they are that guy. I see very little of the required qualities on the field now....else we wouldn't be having this discussion. Where's the band?! 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