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Deciduous Forest Cat
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  Message Not Read  Terrible refs but...
   Posted: 11/5/2013 10:33:07 PM 
Our offense continues to suck, and grant venham is the worst punter in the country. Let derrius vick punt. Christ!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Terrible refs but...
   Posted: 11/5/2013 10:36:50 PM 
Can we just fire Albin PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!

The opposing team sucks!
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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   Posted: 11/5/2013 10:37:58 PM 
Without the threat of the quarterback running, that running game is NEVER going to work.
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   Posted: 11/5/2013 10:38:29 PM 
At this point, it's not just the coaching. This team has quit. It's playing like it did in the second half of the Ball State game last year.

This might up 40-3.
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   Posted: 11/5/2013 10:46:53 PM 
I'm sorry but the outcome of this game is entirely on the refs. They took all the wind out of us with these disgraceful calls and basically gave them 16 points. I don't blame any of the players for this loss, and there is no credit to give to Buffalo. This game was entirely and completely decided by the refs, and it sucks. I'm out, I'll be at the basketball game Saturday
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  Message Not Read  These seniors quit come November last 2 years.. (NT)
   Posted: 11/5/2013 10:55:07 PM 
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   Posted: 11/5/2013 11:19:00 PM 
cbarber357 wrote:
I'm sorry but the outcome of this game is entirely on the refs. They took all the wind out of us with these disgraceful calls and basically gave them 16 points. I don't blame any of the players for this loss, and there is no credit to give to Buffalo. This game was entirely and completely decided by the refs, and it sucks. I'm out, I'll be at the basketball game Saturday


I disagree.  If you are a team who has some toughness, you play through it.  There's no excuses.  You may have a tough road, but you man up and do your job.  You can't worry about stuff you can't control.  That is drilled into every player on any given level.  You do your job.  You don't fold after a few bad calls.  Heck, Buffalo had some that were bad (albeit not as bad as that safety.  My God the safety.)
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   Posted: 11/5/2013 11:22:04 PM 
LoganElm_grad09 wrote:
cbarber357 wrote:
I'm sorry but the outcome of this game is entirely on the refs. They took all the wind out of us with these disgraceful calls and basically gave them 16 points. I don't blame any of the players for this loss, and there is no credit to give to Buffalo. This game was entirely and completely decided by the refs, and it sucks. I'm out, I'll be at the basketball game Saturday


I disagree. If you are a team who has some toughness, you play through it. There's no excuses. You may have a tough road, but you man up and do your job. You can't worry about stuff you can't control. That is drilled into every player on any given level. You do your job. You don't fold after a few bad calls. Heck, Buffalo had some that were bad (albeit not as bad as that safety. My God the safety.)



Well put!

And don't let the safety cloud the fact we just took an ass-whipping!
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   Posted: 11/5/2013 11:25:01 PM 
Officiating sucked - agree. However, we could not stop the run - we would have lost anyway. Maybe not by as much as the final score, but we couldn't do anything on offense or defense. This one hurts like hell!

Go Bobcats!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Terrible refs but...
   Posted: 11/5/2013 11:55:34 PM 
barber...are you serious?  did you watch the game?  They  beast us like a drum and I think we may have actually quit on it in the second half.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Terrible refs but...
   Posted: 11/8/2013 8:22:38 PM 
Grant Venham actually isn't the worst in the country. Even when punting from the 50 majority of the time, his average still isnt that bad incredibly. Not including the punts inside the 20. Could even add about 4 or 5 more that should have been downed inside the 5! Offense was stagnant,  but that stuff happens ask Oregon! Tyler needs to take over the game as he has done in the past. Refs can absolutely cause a team to hang their heads, but as someone mentioned, good teams buck up and roll on. I have no doubt we will see a different type of attitude come Tuesday!  Go Cats!!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Terrible refs but...
   Posted: 11/9/2013 1:33:22 AM 
Don't forget that even if you take away the safety call, we were still about to punt from around our 10 yard line.  Beefs was going to get very good field position.  So, not much different from what they ended up with save for the two points.

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   Posted: 11/9/2013 3:32:33 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Don't forget that even if you take away the safety call, we were still about to punt from around our 10 yard line.  Beefs was going to get very good field position.  So, not much different from what they ended up with save for the two points.


in the NFL if the intentional grounding is more than 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage the ball is placed at the spot which would have been the 3 or 4. I don't know if college is the same but I thought the announcers said the spot should have been where he released it (3 or 4).
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   Posted: 11/10/2013 10:01:32 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
barber...are you serious?  did you watch the game?  They  beast us like a drum and I think we may have actually quit on it in the second half.
 


This goes back to Albin.   When the players know their coach WILL NOT change his play call then what hope do you put in their minds.   If the plays are not working and they are trying as hard as they can and still failing then I would think this could weigh on their mental toughness.  IMOP.  

If, in my business, my current strategy nets a loss of profit and my executive team makes it clear that there will be no changes and its up to me to work harder then what message does that send to me.   Especially If I know. I I'm giving 110% and I'm the best available option on my team.and can not give more then what hope do I have.

Coaching staffs need to be able to instill some hope/confindence.    Making a change would at least make these guys think the coaches have found a way to change the current outcome.   Making no change and telling them to just try harder is a poor strategy.  

If we can all see it then I suspect these players can see it as well,  
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  Message Not Read  RE: Terrible refs but...
   Posted: 11/10/2013 1:25:50 PM 
Exactly.

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   Posted: 11/10/2013 3:23:34 PM 
Rowdy Rufus wrote:
This goes back to Albin.   When the players know their coach WILL NOT change his play call then what hope do you put in their minds.   If the plays are not working and they are trying as hard as they can and still failing then I would think this could weigh on their mental toughness.  IMOP.  

If, in my business, my current strategy nets a loss of profit and my executive team makes it clear that there will be no changes and its up to me to work harder then what message does that send to me.   Especially If I know. I I'm giving 110% and I'm the best available option on my team.and can not give more then what hope do I have.

Coaching staffs need to be able to instill some hope/confindence.    Making a change would at least make these guys think the coaches have found a way to change the current outcome.   Making no change and telling them to just try harder is a poor strategy.  

If we can all see it then I suspect these players can see it as well, 

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this analysis. You start with the assumption of incompetence at the top, and then justify the underlings questioning their managers. Any business with that going on is going to fail, whether or not the management team is actually incompetent, unless they get rid of the bad employees. Even good directives from management will fail if the employees are second guessing them. By contrast, even not very good strategies from management may work fine, so long as the employees follow them.

The same goes here. It's one thing if the fans are second guessing the coaches. That's normal, and goes on everywhere. But, if they players are? Then those players need to get benched, and replaced. If the players have doubts about the strategy, there is a time and a place for them to bring it up. That would be in meetings during the week. Come Saturday (or in this case, Tuesday), the plan is what it is, and the players  better be behind it 100%, and do their best to make it work, even if they disagree with parts of the plan.

Just out of curiousity I went back and looked at MAC stats to see how the two Ohio coordinators stacked up, over the long run. During the years 2008-2010, Ohio was very close to last place in the conference in Total Offense, averaging only 322.5 yards a game, ahead of only Akron (322) and Temps (321.9).  Since they re-made the offense after the Troy game, they are doing much better, averaging 432.6 yards a game, trailing only NIU (497), Toledo (457), and Ball State (437).

The defense in 2008-2010 was pretty good, giving up 350.2 yards a game, good for 3rd in the conference, behind NIU (321) and  Temps (347).  The uptempo offense did hurt the defense a little, and the average went up to 376.8 yards a game given up, which is still 3rd in the conference, behind BG (349) and Buffalo (371).

Looking at the numbers, the argument against Albin was pretty strong in 2010, when the Ohio offense had been bad for three years, averaging 364, 310, and 326 in 2008-2010. Was that about when Gdowski was named Co-Offensive Coordinator? In any case, with Ohio's offense doing much better the last three years, I'm looking more for fine tuning than wholesale changes.



“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 11/10/2013 9:19:50 PM 
Maybe, L.C., but I've worked for enough bad management (hello tone deaf!) to know that bad management certainly gets griped about by employees (so the real meetings take place in the hallways after the meeting).  Also, management that is reasonably competent and/or giving it a legit effort does not get grumbled about--at least that's my experience.  So, if there's fairly consistent grumbling, there's probably fire.

It takes a good person to still be able to listen after making it to the top.  Avoiding the 'I'm on top so I'm pretty much infallible' syndrome apparently is not easy.

I'm not saying that's necessarily the case here...just that if some of that exists here, then I'd not be surprised.

 

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   Posted: 11/11/2013 7:04:12 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Rowdy Rufus wrote:
This goes back to Albin.   When the players know their coach WILL NOT change his play call then what hope do you put in their minds.   If the plays are not working and they are trying as hard as they can and still failing then I would think this could weigh on their mental toughness.  IMOP.  

If, in my business, my current strategy nets a loss of profit and my executive team makes it clear that there will be no changes and its up to me to work harder then what message does that send to me.   Especially If I know. I I'm giving 110% and I'm the best available option on my team.and can not give more then what hope do I have.

Coaching staffs need to be able to instill some hope/confindence.    Making a change would at least make these guys think the coaches have found a way to change the current outcome.   Making no change and telling them to just try harder is a poor strategy.  

If we can all see it then I suspect these players can see it as well, 

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this analysis. You start with the assumption of incompetence at the top, and then justify the underlings questioning their managers. Any business with that going on is going to fail, whether or not the management team is actually incompetent, unless they get rid of the bad employees. Even good directives from management will fail if the employees are second guessing them. By contrast, even not very good strategies from management may work fine, so long as the employees follow them.

The same goes here. It's one thing if the fans are second guessing the coaches. That's normal, and goes on everywhere. But, if they players are? Then those players need to get benched, and replaced. If the players have doubts about the strategy, there is a time and a place for them to bring it up. That would be in meetings during the week. Come Saturday (or in this case, Tuesday), the plan is what it is, and the players  better be behind it 100%, and do their best to make it work, even if they disagree with parts of the plan.

Just out of curiousity I went back and looked at MAC stats to see how the two Ohio coordinators stacked up, over the long run. During the years 2008-2010, Ohio was very close to last place in the conference in Total Offense, averaging only 322.5 yards a game, ahead of only Akron (322) and Temps (321.9).  Since they re-made the offense after the Troy game, they are doing much better, averaging 432.6 yards a game, trailing only NIU (497), Toledo (457), and Ball State (437).

The defense in 2008-2010 was pretty good, giving up 350.2 yards a game, good for 3rd in the conference, behind NIU (321) and  Temps (347).  The uptempo offense did hurt the defense a little, and the average went up to 376.8 yards a game given up, which is still 3rd in the conference, behind BG (349) and Buffalo (371).

Looking at the numbers, the argument against Albin was pretty strong in 2010, when the Ohio offense had been bad for three years, averaging 364, 310, and 326 in 2008-2010. Was that about when Gdowski was named Co-Offensive Coordinator? In any case, with Ohio's offense doing much better the last three years, I'm looking more for fine tuning than wholesale changes.



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I think we are saying the same thing.   I'm not saying the top did not prepare a good strategy.  What I ment was if that strategy is not working and the players are following that strategy to the tee then you need to make a change.  You think it should be a player change.  I think it should be a change in play call to adjust to what the other team is doing.  A good team and coaching staff should be able to make these types of adjustments during a game.   We simply do not make adjustments.  

Thanks for the stat update.. i was not aware of all them.

 
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