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Monroe Slavin
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Apologists central

Posted: 11/5/2013 11:48:08 PM

I want to see all the apologists for whom the sky is perfectly sunny at all hours of the day explain why those of us who are CMU-angry and couldn't believe EMU was a handful of yards from being up 28-21 on us in the third quarter were not seeing reality.

Let's see the nothing-but-positives roll,

We desperately need a star or three--guy(s) who are clearly the about the best, most dominating player on the field every game. I can't remember the last time we had such a player.

No imagination or effectiveness on offense. D-line getting pushed five yards back almost every down in the 2nd half.

Being a middle of the pack MAC team is getting tiresome.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/5/2013 11:51:04 PM

There is no middle to the pack in the conference right now Monroe. Its either top or bottom. Tonight Buffalo made us look like a bottom tier MAC squad with help from the referee.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/5/2013 11:52:13 PM

So, you're saying that Beefs O-line pushed our d-line five yards down the field on about every play because the refs lined up with their O-line?

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/5/2013 11:53:11 PM

The refs gave them some scores but, I repeat, they beat the shi* out of us on both sides of the ball. They had some really good mean athletes. We do not.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/5/2013 11:55:51 PM

Casper71 wrote:

The refs gave them some scores but, I repeat, they beat the shi* out of us on both sides of the ball. They had some really good mean athletes. We do not.

This sounds accurate which puzzles me since a lot of Buffalo guys were passed over by Ohio. Quite a few on Buffalo from Ohio from the sound of the game.

Last Edited: 11/5/2013 11:56:15 PM by TWT

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 12:12:35 AM

You know what I want? Some accountability. Just someone to step up and say, "That was my fault."

Frank: You let the team slide emotionally after the safety. They gave up. You're the HC, take some responsibility for it.

Albin: Please, just step up and admit the weaknesses in the play design, calls, and/or execution. We look great at times and horrible at times. A good offense should be consistent.

Both Albin and Burrows: From my perspective, you're both being out-coached. Game plans are good and we start fine, but other teams are adjusting in-game better than we are. Why?

T. Carrie: I love you, but dude, seriously, with the punt returns....You gotta be better than that. And I think you know it, too.

T^2: I don't know what the deal is, but c'mon man, something isn't right. Everybody can see it.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 12:14:13 AM

C Money wrote:

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 12:17:31 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Great solution! How do we get these players?

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 12:19:04 AM

I kind of agree with this, too. That safety call was so bad, especially after the Waters fumble call, I was kind of hoping for a Lou Pinella throw the base type protest from Frank Those calls were so bad that a 15-yarder or the like may have been in order.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 12:49:07 AM

Nope, no question: we sucked *&@ tonight. No hustle, no heart. Got embarrassed by a medicore* Buffalo team. Can't believe I sat/stood out in the cold for 6 hours for that sh...crap.

* In terms of all buffalo sports teams, medicore is the best they've managed in any sport/season in about 15 years.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 3:38:22 AM

I think that Beefs is a decent team. That we caved, though, not acceptable,

Beefs lost to columbus and Baylor. No shame there, though Baylor was a bad beatdown.

Then, Beefs beat Stony Brook (in OT!), UConn, EMU, WMU, UMass, kents. So, it's not as if their W's are against overwhelming competition.

There was reason to believe that we could play with Beefs, could win. Apparently, an overestimation.

We aren't so good, have significant holes.

Not that the apologists will do anything other than praise.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 7:09:34 AM

Buffalo -- not the refs -- whipped us. They got nine points off ref errors -- the fumble that wasn't and the phantom safety -- but after that it was just them taking us to the woodshed. Even without the safety, we would've punted from our end zone, so what happened after that probably would've happened anyway.

They knew that they didn't have to respect our running game. When T2's running, we effectively have a two-back set, but they know that the odds of him handing off the ball are pretty high, so they key on the running back and if T2 takes off, they usually have a linebacker or even a lineman who can track him down.

I was baffled by some of our play calling, too. 2nd & goal at the seven we try a fade that was incomplete, then on 3rd & goal we run? Looked like we were playing for a FG instead of a tying TD.

And our D still hasn't figured out how to stop the bigger O lines from running all over us.

I'm not sure Solich would've gotten a penalty for doing a Pinella unless he had actually slugged the ref. Those guys knew they blew it, but apparently didn't want to compound their screw-up by reviewing the call, which seemingly is not allowed by the rules as discussed elsewhere. Usually when refs know they f***ed up, they give coaches a lot of latitude in arguing. But it would've been nice to see him give them five or ten minutes of earful after that. Our guys seemed to pack it in after that and seeing the normally reserved Solich blow up might've provided some spark.

If Donte can't go next week, it looks like Dovell will be the go-to guy. He ran the slants well.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 8:06:38 AM

Mike Coleman wrote:

I would agree!

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 9:44:38 AM

We are an average team, not good and not bad. Sagarin ranked around 80 and 6th in a below average conference. Take out the AP, Miami and EMU and we are .500. TT is a good QB not great and Statistics run up against the bottom crap of the MAC don't mean much. TT has not come up big in his last 4 critical MAC games, N. Ill in the MAC championship, Kent and BG last year and now Buffalo. In those last 3 games we have scored 23 total points with 1 TD pass. Yes the refs were horrible but in the coarse of a year they even out. We're much better than we were for 25 years which is great but until we win a MAC were not a great program just slightly above average in a bad conference. We should at least be knocking off a top 25 team once in a while but that's not happening either. Without a great QB we will not ever rise to that level or win a MAC.

Last Edited: 11/6/2013 9:46:27 AM by PhiTau74

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 9:58:14 AM

I agree about the play calling. It seems that we run far to many read option plays where Tettleton never keeps so everyone just collapses on the play. I'm not sure if he is hurt, but it doesn't make any sense.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 10:02:22 AM

Exactly. If he never keeps it what is the point of calling that play?

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 10:19:18 AM

PhiTau74 wrote:

Other than the Independence Bowl, Tettleton hasn't been himself since the Marshall game early in the 2012 season. I know he got injured, but you'd think he'd by over that injury by now. There whole story hasn't been told yet as to what's going on with him, and what's going on with him really is a mystery wrapped around an enigma. But I agree, he's padding his stats against the lesser-rans of the MAC and is an average QB at best right now.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 10:23:23 AM

How to be an apologist:

Our O-line is 18th or whatever in allowing the fewest sacks!

See; it's easy...just ignore the reality that those 10 throwaways last night were quasi-sacks and that our yards per carry in the ground game are obviously down from last year.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 10:39:16 AM

This loss was more disappointing to me than the CMU one. Buffalo is better than CMU, but Ohio was really not good on offense last night.

To rise to Monroe's challenge, I do think the offense will get better. The coaches have adjusted the system before and the offense has gotten better, I expect they'll do that again. I think they definitely have the athletes to score points, and the O doesn't need a major overhaul.

The other thing I'd note is that the problems aren't just with whatever call is coming down from the booth, there's also the decisions being made on the field. I agree with people who say the zone read doesn't seem to be working given how rarely TT keeps the ball. The second down fade and third down run from the 7 that were mentioned above -- if I'm not mistaken TT checked into both of those. To be clear though I put the onus for getting this all fixed on the coaches, not on TT.

Still and all -- take away a couple killer penalties and some drops, and Ohio probably scores 20 or more. So I think they can and will get better things done in the remainder of the season.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 10:57:12 AM

mf279801 wrote:

Nope, no question: we sucked *&@ tonight. No hustle, no heart. Got embarrassed by a medicore* Buffalo team. Can't believe I sat/stood out in the cold for 6 hours for that sh...crap.

* In terms of all buffalo sports teams, medicore is the best they've managed in any sport/season in about 15 years.

Don't go there, the Sabres have been to three Eastern Conference Finals and a Stanley Cup Finals all within the last 15 years...

And I think from last night, we learned that UB isn't mediocre. They're pretty good. They have a chance to finish the regular season 10-2. Let's not continue to talk down to them after they ripped us apart.

Last Edited: 11/6/2013 10:59:01 AM by Mike Bundt WHIZ

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 11:19:33 AM

This loss was all refs and mental toughness. Buffalo was scoreless until the refs basically gave them 16 points. Did we lose right there at 16-3? No. However, our guys started believing they couldn't win (in large part to the calls downright wrong calls the refs continually made against them) and they started to play like it. Did those horrible calls mean our guys had to start playing like that? No, I wish they had the mental toughness to overcome it, but if you saw any of that game, The effort just stopped after that safety was given to Buffalo. It took all the wind out of our sails and most of the team didn't seem to think they could win like that. Credit to Buffalo for being a good team, but this game means absolutely nothing in determining how good they actually are.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 11:35:54 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

There is no middle to the pack in the conference right now Monroe. Its either top or bottom. Tonight Buffalo made us look like a bottom tier MAC squad with help from the referee.

not so sure about this. If you look at the past 2 years, we are certainly a middle of the pack team with a 7-6 record. We are better than the dredges(although we lost to one of them last year) so maybe we really aren't much better. Seems like 2 really good teams, then BG, Toledo and Buffalo next, then CMU and Ohio and then the rest at the bottom. We are not in the upper couple levels right now.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 11:46:31 AM

cbarber357 wrote:

WRONG. First, our only 3 points were handed to us by the refs. That unsportsmanlike penalty that put us in FG range was complete malarky.

Second, the reason we got manhandled in the second half is NOT mental toughness. When you have a big, pounding back like Oliver you can only hold him in check for so long. We did a great job the first half...but without sustained drives on offense that starts to wear down your front seven.

Our offense is bad. That is why we lost the game. We were essentially shut out.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 11:59:10 AM

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mf279801 wrote:

Nope, no question: we sucked *&@ tonight. No hustle, no heart. Got embarrassed by a medicore* Buffalo team. Can't believe I sat/stood out in the cold for 6 hours for that sh...crap.

* In terms of all buffalo sports teams, medicore is the best they've managed in any sport/season in about 15 years.

My bad. I missed 3 sabers squads in a fit of angry hyperbole at 1 in the morning. Probably missed a decent bisons or bandits team somewhere in there too.

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RE: Apologists central

Posted: 11/6/2013 12:08:57 PM

mf279801 wrote:

buffalobobcatfan wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

Nope, no question: we sucked *&@ tonight. No hustle, no heart. Got embarrassed by a medicore* Buffalo team. Can't believe I sat/stood out in the cold for 6 hours for that sh...crap.

* In terms of all buffalo sports teams, medicore is the best they've managed in any sport/season in about 15 years.

My bad. I missed 3 sabers squads in a fit of angry hyperbole at 1 in the morning. Probably missed a decent bisons or bandits team somewhere in there too.

Don't worry about it. I take things to heart too much when it comes to Buffalo. Me and most Buffalo natives are like that. We get defensive when we see negative things about our city.

Last Edited: 11/6/2013 12:09:31 PM by Mike Bundt WHIZ

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