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The Pessimist
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Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/3/2013 10:38:50 PM

As a pessimist, I greatly appreciate the Bottom 10 and Worst 10 rankings. So, I am happy to bring news that...

Miami was ranked #1 worst team in FBS 2013 by CBS Sports.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24310274/the-best-worst-ten-the-final-standings

ESPN has yet to publish their final Bottom 10, but Miami was ranked #2 last week and former #1 USM won.

Also on the CBS list:

WMU
EMU
UMass

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/3/2013 11:47:41 PM

So, you are saying that our victories over redhawk, EMU and UMass were not triumphs for the ages...did not validate our season?

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 12:02:53 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

So, you are saying that our victories over redhawk, EMU and UMass were not triumphs for the ages...did not validate our season?

Every conference has bad schools in it Monroe. Sometimes you beat a bad team. That is just the way it is.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 12:41:25 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

So, you are saying that our victories over redhawk, EMU and UMass were not triumphs for the ages...did not validate our season?

Every conference has bad schools in it Monroe. Sometimes you beat a bad team. That is just the way it is.

Maybe need a clarification - "Bad Schools", "Bad Teams", both? Maybe clarify "Sometimes"? Maybe clarify "just the way it is"? (O'Shea "esque"?)

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 2:02:51 AM

And sometimes you have a season that you don't 123-16 when it counts, you have a season in which you have meaningful victories.

(Hey, I didn't start this thread about the quality of our opposition...but it's legit to give context.)

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 7:53:26 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

And sometimes you have a season that you don't 123-16 when it counts, you have a season in which you have meaningful victories.

(Hey, I didn't start this thread about the quality of our opposition...but it's legit to give context.)

So do you want everyone on this site to say we suck, this is unacceptable, fire everyone and get all new players? What is the point of your apologists straw man on every thread?

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 9:42:15 AM

Good question; thanks for asking.

Perhaps to stop the Peter Pan-ness of the apologists..to bring reality to bear...and, thereby, to put some pressure for change. Nine years in 7-5 is not good. But I could live with it if there was some general quality to it.

But 123-16 and no change (same old stuff on all sides of the ball) is geared to keep us in the middle to bottom of the MAC--not in any way acceptable.. CMU, Balls, NIU, BG, Beefs, kents--all markedly better than us.

You happy no MACC, bro?

If so, advocate for the status quo. If not...

Hey, what's our record since we started 7-0 last year? Tell me about the quality of some of the teams that we've lost to, especially MAC.

Parallel--In my department at work, if we're doing something poorly, I don't ignore/let it continue. Do you?

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 11:08:48 AM

What about the two non-conf wins we had against teams that combined to go 17-7. Do those not count?

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 12:21:40 PM

Monroe=broken record. And Miami sucks.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 12:55:31 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Good question; thanks for asking.

Perhaps to stop the Peter Pan-ness of the apologists..to bring reality to bear...and, thereby, to put some pressure for change. Nine years in 7-5 is not good. But I could live with it if there was some general quality to it.

But 123-16 and no change (same old stuff on all sides of the ball) is geared to keep us in the middle to bottom of the MAC--not in any way acceptable.. CMU, Balls, NIU, BG, Beefs, kents--all markedly better than us.

You happy no MACC, bro?

If so, advocate for the status quo. If not...

Hey, what's our record since we started 7-0 last year? Tell me about the quality of some of the teams that we've lost to, especially MAC.

Parallel--In my department at work, if we're doing something poorly, I don't ignore/let it continue. Do you?

I'm not happy we haven't won a championship game, but I realize the MAC is cyclical and I would rather consitantly win than suck for 4 years with one magic season and then suck again. Making an entire message board realize we stink won't change the on field product unless the posters are all million dollar owners putting pressure on the AD and coaches to change things. And then we begin the coaching carousel changes and we could be Florida.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 2:35:14 PM

9-9 record in our last 18 with 6 of the victories beingEMU (twice), Peay, kron, redhawk, UMass--really think that's good ball. Acceptable?

The hypothetical about 'winning MAC title and being lousy almost ever other year'--sorry, we're not even close to the first half of that hypothetical...but are kinda the latter half.

If you all aren't pretty teed off now, what would it take for you to hit that stage?

Sorry. I'm not the problem.

But the apologists and those who are content may be.

I realize that our players can only be as good asthey are and we can't change that during a season. But how many times will we refuse to do the strategy things that I and many others have repeatedy posted? Refusal to change or to advocate for change reeks of acceptance of current path. You happy, bro?

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 3:58:27 PM

Folks, is seriously time to give monroe some slack here. I used to hardly ever agree with him, then I started agreeing with him some and then more and more. Now I agree with him a whole lot. The last 18 games have been just average by any measure. We are something like #70-#80 in the sagrins. I really thought this staff could get it done but they have taken us nowhere the last 18 games. it all begins with recruiting and they are not getting it done there no matter how some might try to rank our classes. Even our 2 star guys are just average by MAC standards. As I think I heard Rocky Boiman say on wlw the other day coaches can make a small difference in schemes and preparation and getting guys better but if you don't have really good players you won't win big consistently. he pointed to SEC advantages over the BIG lately in performance when quoting this.

So, for Christmas just bring me 6-7 3 Star guys to start with.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 4:52:48 PM

The trouble is, Monroe is repeating himself, regularly. And most of his complaints, ultimately, are directed at Solich. I would venture a guess that most people on this board support Solich. Monroe has openly said recently that he himself supports Solich. But, his posts are a continued attack on Solich's methods.

So what's the real truth? Yes Monroe says he supports Solich. But this "campaign" of his is a clear attack on Solich's methods.

If you support Monroe, Casper, how do you feel about Solich?

L.C.
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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 5:57:40 PM

Casper71 wrote:

Folks, is seriously time to give monroe some slack here. I used to hardly ever agree with him, then I started agreeing with him some and then more and more. Now I agree with him a whole lot. ....

It's up to each person to decide if they agree with him, or disagree with him. He's certainly entitled to his opinion, and he's entitled to express it. I've gone the other way from you, however, Casper. I used to agree with him a lot, but lately I almost never agree with him.

Why don't I agree with him anymore? I think that his negativity is excessive, and is bad for the program. I think it likely hurts recruiting, and hurts team morale. Yes, I know, players shouldn't come to Bobcatattack. Yes, prospective players shouldn't come here, either. Yes, I know, even if they do come here, they shouldn't worry about the things written here. Still, they are humans, and no doubt do come, and do read the stuff, and probably are occasionally affected by it. Is it a coincidence that the team morale seemed to vanish about the time that this board turned nastily negative? I don't know. Perhaps they are related, perhaps not.

Me, I tend to be optimistic most of the time. I tend to try to see the positives. I tend to try to appreciate the hard work that the players put in year round. I favor honestly appraising their performance, and then moving on to the next game, and never becoming overly personal, and not taking team failings personally. I'm not going to sugar coat this year's performance and say it was great, or that it met my expectations. It did neither. However, where I differ from Monroe is that I'm not going to dwell on that. I'm going to put it behind me, and start thinking about next year's team, and hope that the dynamics for next year are better than they were this year.

Last Edited: 12/4/2013 6:00:15 PM by L.C.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 6:04:46 PM

Monroe is certainly entitled to his opinions as we all are. I'm just tired of these same opinions seeming to work themselves into every thread on the board!

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 6:54:49 PM

Interesting to me that my 'wrong' opinion is tiresome but those with a different point of view are not.

Curb expression because the team is sensitive? Surely it's self-evident as to how very, very wrong that is. The problem is not me; it's the ball club.

I'll stop my tiresome point of view. Will you on the other side do the same?

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 8:05:40 PM

Consider me a Monroe-ite. Preach on brother!

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 8:45:40 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

...I'll stop my tiresome point of view. Will you on the other side do the same?

I'm afraid you have me confused, Monroe. What is the "other side" that you'd like to see people stop posting about?

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 8:57:43 PM

I am with Monroe too. Ohio has beaten nobody worth a crap outside of Marshall since the first game of last year.

Our linemen get completely blown up on both sides of the ball, which leads to all the injuries. Lineman don't get hurt falling forward on people. I've never seen a Tackle blow out a knee pancaking the opponent. Our team is getting physically beat up.

Our team quit this year. That is unacceptable. Some on this board dispute that, but I was there. They quit. Anyone stating otherwise just wasn't watching the games.

Our offensive play calling is predictable. Our defensive backs NEVER TURN AROUND WHEN THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Special teams is slightly improved, but a coaching gaffe there directly resulted in one loss this year (CMU).

We may be winning the so-called recruiting battles, but we are losing the games. I'd rather win the games. The MAC is a shi**y conference. Our wins have come against the bottom feeders.

Monroe walks the walk. He writes checks. Big ones. He flies across the country for games. He posts under his real name and isn't afraid of the criticism from anonymous "supporters". LC can post all his research and stats from 900 miles away without ever stepping foot inside Peden. I don't buy it. The team is not improving. I also refuse to champion mediocrity. Monroe's complaints are legit and I agree with most of what he has been stating for the past 60-90 days. I hope the team (coaches and players) takes some ownership of the mistakes and rectifies the situation. I hope the recruits and potential recruits realize how much we love Ohio University. I want young men that 1) want to be in Athens more than anywhere else in the world and 2) want to win more than anything else in the world.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/4/2013 9:20:26 PM

bobcat695, the thing is, no one is disagreeing with most of that. No one is happy with this year. No one thinks Ohio played close to on a par with the best teams in the MAC this year. No one thinks that 7-5 is where Ohio should be. So far as I can tell, the only points of contention seem to be:
1. Should the graduating Seniors, who won more games than any other Seniors in Ohio's history be permanently shamed and condemned for the bad losses this year, or should they also get some commendations for the positive things they have accomplished over the last 5 years.
2. Was this year so bad that there can be no hope for the future?

My answer is that the graduating Seniors helped to build the Ohio program to where it is, and they deserve commendation, too, for the good things they accomplished, and that no, the future is not all bleak. If I understand Monroe correctly, he believes that the three losses were so bad that they erase any good things that these players have ever done, and they shall forever be contained in his book of shame, and that Ohio's program has no hope for the future as it stands, and it must be dismantled immediately.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/5/2013 1:31:28 AM

Not quite, L.C. I'm not condemning the seniors in particular; my beef is against all associated, so to speak, with the team this year--no matter class year or staff position. But this year carries 'stain' for me the way that we utterly collapsed. I think that 695's comments were pretty stark and the few responders seem not to contradict them but to be angry at me for my insistence.

Note that my insistence is about stuff that we could have controlled. We couldn't get a bunch of new players mid-season but we could have controlled play-calling and coaching strategy. To me, we stood there and took it instead of trying something different. To me, if you saw us play one game, that's all you needed to scout us 'cause there wasn't nothing new gonna happen from us.

My beef continues to be those who could watch us this year and not have seen and recognized reality: 1) the total collapse (we didn't just get beat..we folded and 2) that there was very, very little positive about our performance this year. Big stats against EMU, redhawk, UMass. That's meaningful, that gets it...really? Really?

I'm done trying to convince anyone. I'll remain astounded by the ability of so many to watch games and miss the clear message, to have missed how poorly we performed at most of the key moments. And, it is the key moments that count...no one remembers that Reggie struck out a ton in July but everyone remembers Mr. October.

I think it's fair to say that I'm about as big of an O H I O booster as you'll find. I endorsed our play vs. NTSU and stupd cow. Then, I didn't enjoy our later struggles and I don't enjoy harping on it. But my avidity for the 'Cats will not over-ride my ability to see the truth that we put on the field.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/5/2013 1:46:56 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Interesting to me that my 'wrong' opinion is tiresome but those with a different point of view are not.

Curb expression because the team is sensitive? Surely it's self-evident as to how very, very wrong that is. The problem is not me; it's the ball club.

I'll stop my tiresome point of view. Will you on the other side do the same?

Monroe you like to champion the minority view. When things hit rock bottom you know you'll be that light at the end of the tunnel against calls to abandon program. The view that we all should be boiling over in anger right now over a 4-4 MAC record doesn't appeal to many now. Solich has 5 consecutive winning seasons. His job is safe at the moment and under contract for 3 more years. Why do we have to work ourselves up into a fit.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/5/2013 2:09:16 AM

bobcat695 wrote:

We may be winning the so-called recruiting battles, but we are losing the games. I'd rather win the games. The MAC is a shi**y conference. Our wins have come against the bottom feeders.

In a football world of Bentley and Maserati a Mercedes is a shi**y ride. Ask Youngstown State if the MAC is a shi**y conference or Grand Valley State. I refuse to get angry finishing 7-5 on while on National TV 5 times playing in a conference where the champ is headed to the Fiesta Bowl. I'm sorry. I refuse to do it. That is a dream situation for any Bobcat team pre Solich.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/5/2013 2:16:58 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I'm done trying to convince anyone. I'll remain astounded by the ability of so many to watch games and miss the clear message, to have missed how poorly we performed at most of the key moments. And, it is the key moments that count...no one remembers that Reggie struck out a ton in July but everyone remembers Mr. October.

Nobody missed the putrid performances. Nobody feels like talking about it. Nobody will care if Ohio wins a bowl. The truth of bobcat life you're missing here.

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RE: Miami Wins!

Posted: 12/5/2013 10:01:44 AM

Fox, like any relationship, that is complicated:) He has taken us where most of us only dreamed about.

However, the guy was very successful at Nebraska (even if fired). He took them to a National championship game. Yet he and the staff are unable to separate OHIO from the pack in the MAC. I just thought we would be way ahead of where we are now (especially 9-9 the last 18). I'm now starting to think there is something structural at OHIO that makes this as good as it gets. That is disappointing. And, I hope I am wrong!

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