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goherd25
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Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/1/2013 3:21:37 PM

#29 in coaches poll and #31 in Harris, #32 BCS. Will be hosting Rice Saturday at noon.

Would love some bobcat fans that are close to make the trip and help pack the stadium!

On another note, what bowl is OU headed to? Looks like it was a tough season down the stretch. Wish you the best in the post season

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/1/2013 4:04:48 PM

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/1/2013 9:01:52 PM

Good luck to Marshall vs. Rice in the CUSA title game. The Herd has certainly improved over the course of the season.

As for Ohio's bowl chances...amazingly, and this says a lot about the current state of college football, we still have a good chance to get in a bowl. If NIU beats BGSU in the MAC title game, we will probably get in a bowl.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/1/2013 10:42:05 PM

goherd25 wrote:

#29 in coaches poll and #31 in Harris, #32 BCS. Will be hosting Rice Saturday at noon.

Would love some bobcat fans that are close to make the trip and help pack the stadium!

On another note, what bowl is OU headed to? Looks like it was a tough season down the stretch. Wish you the best in the post season

The game is in Houston (Herd Nation in full meltdown over this)

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/1/2013 11:16:51 PM

After we played 'em, how come stupd cow played up and we CMU/Beefs/BG/kents'd?

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/1/2013 11:19:58 PM

ts1227 wrote:

goherd25 wrote:

#29 in coaches poll and #31 in Harris, #32 BCS. Will be hosting Rice Saturday at noon.

Would love some bobcat fans that are close to make the trip and help pack the stadium!

On another note, what bowl is OU headed to? Looks like it was a tough season down the stretch. Wish you the best in the post season

The game is in Houston (Herd Nation in full meltdown over this)

I'll listen to see if there's any mention of it here. I doubt there will be.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 10:04:40 AM

Shucks, I won't be able to make the game.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 10:55:08 AM

This s???s!

Seriously, I would have considered going to this game.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 11:48:17 AM

ts1227 wrote:

goherd25 wrote:

#29 in coaches poll and #31 in Harris, #32 BCS. Will be hosting Rice Saturday at noon.

Would love some bobcat fans that are close to make the trip and help pack the stadium!

On another note, what bowl is OU headed to? Looks like it was a tough season down the stretch. Wish you the best in the post season

The game is in Houston (Herd Nation in full meltdown over this)

This is UNACCEPTABLE!

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 12:13:57 PM

I think this came as a pretty big surprise to Marshall. Sorry they have to make that trip to Houston.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 1:05:23 PM

After Marshall hosted the MAC Championship for years regardless of who was in the game, I have trouble feeling sorry for their fans/alumni. It was their choice (this time) to go to Conference USA.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 1:23:37 PM

Marshall got completely hosed. The commissioner of CUSA changed the formula for determining the tiebreaker yesterday. I'd be furious right now if I was a Herd fan. I'm glad our conference has a neutral site for the championship game.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 2:02:45 PM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

After Marshall hosted the MAC Championship for years regardless of who was in the game, I have trouble feeling sorry for their fans/alumni. It was their choice (this time) to go to Conference USA.

This is a good point. I don't remember the details, but I seem to recall a MAC team getting hosed for having to travel to Huntington at least one year if not other years as well. Seems like it might have been Toledo.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 2:42:28 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

After Marshall hosted the MAC Championship for years regardless of who was in the game, I have trouble feeling sorry for their fans/alumni. It was their choice (this time) to go to Conference USA.

This is a good point. I don't remember the details, but I seem to recall a MAC team getting hosed for having to travel to Huntington at least one year if not other years as well. Seems like it might have been Toledo.

I don't believe you can call it being "hosed" when it was part of the agreement when Marshall came back into the MAC. You might question the agreement, but it known by everyone from the start. And, I'll have to say, the attendance was always quite good. I attended several of the games myself.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 2:45:21 PM

bobcat695 wrote:

Marshall got completely hosed. The commissioner of CUSA changed the formula for determining the tiebreaker yesterday. I'd be furious right now if I was a Herd fan. I'm glad our conference has a neutral site for the championship game.

Wait, seriously? That sounds ridiculous. Changed it from what to what?

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 3:16:49 PM

From what I've read, the BCS rankings were the tie-breaker since they had identical records and did not play each other. Rice has had an edge in the BCS rankings for at least two weeks. What is Marshall claiming the tie-breaker was?

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 3:17:06 PM

It's a semantics game right now. Did they change it, or was it never communicated? Here's the release:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/c-usa/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/MarshallatRiceRelease.pdf

One side says that "BCS rankings" are the tiebreaker. BCS rankings count "others receiving votes" for Harris/USA today in the formula, but only top 25 computer teams are ranked. So, in this scenario, Marshall earns points for receiving 13 out of 1,550 possible AP votes and 10 out of 2,625 possible Harris votes.

The other side says "BCS ranking (i.e. average computer ranking) ", which was the wording in the previous week's release. As vague as that is, I guess that means what the release I linked above says. BCS, but rolled out into full rankings. In this scenario, Rice gets the benefit of an average computer ranking of 47th, where Marshall was 57th.

Had Marshall not received the votes they did this week, and scenario one was used, it would have made for an interesting 0 vs 0 tiebreaker.

Who would ever think a conference football championship at a non neutral site, using a rating system not intended for determining who is the XXth team in the country would fail?

Last Edited: 12/2/2013 3:18:26 PM by TheRealMikeDrake

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 3:26:30 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

After Marshall hosted the MAC Championship for years regardless of who was in the game, I have trouble feeling sorry for their fans/alumni. It was their choice (this time) to go to Conference USA.

This is a good point. I don't remember the details, but I seem to recall a MAC team getting hosed for having to travel to Huntington at least one year if not other years as well. Seems like it might have been Toledo.

It is because Marshall and Toledo earned the rights to hosts those games:

Rankings reflect last AP poll prior to game being played. Winner in bold.

Year	East	Score	West	Score
From 1997 through 2003, the championship game was played at campus sites (listed in italics).
1997	Marshall	34	Toledo	14
1998	Marshall	23	Toledo	17
1999	#11 Marshall	34	Western Michigan	30
2000	Marshall	19	Western Michigan	14
2001	#20 Marshall	36	Toledo	41
2002	Marshall	49	Toledo	45
2003	#13 Miami	49	#20 Bowling Green	27
Since 2004, the game has been played at Ford Field in Detroit.
Year	East	Score	West	Score
2004	Miami	27	Toledo	35
2005	Akron	31	Northern Illinois	30
2006	Ohio	10	Central Michigan	31
2007	Miami	10	Central Michigan	35
2008	Buffalo	42	#12 Ball State	24
2009	Ohio	10	Central Michigan	20
2010	Miami	26	#24 Northern Illinois	21
2011	Ohio	20	Northern Illinois	23
2012	#18 Kent State	37	#19 Northern Illinois	44 (2 OT)
2013	Bowling Green		#16 Northern Illinois

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_Championship_Game#Results_by_year

Robert Fox
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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 4:12:29 PM

No, from 1997 to 2000 the Championship game was held in Huntington, regardless of anyone earning it.

"From 1997-2000, the league’s title game was held at Marshall Stadium in Huntington, W.Va. Beginning with the 2001 game, the site alternated between the West Division and East Division champion. In 2004 the MAC championship game was moved to its current neutral site at Ford Field."

http://www.mac-sports.com/Championships/Football.aspx

And yes, I did have a problem with that agreement.

Last Edited: 12/2/2013 4:25:19 PM by Robert Fox

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 4:34:23 PM

TheRealMikeDrake wrote:

It's a semantics game right now. Did they change it, or was it never communicated? Here's the release:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/c-usa/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/MarshallatRiceRelease.pdf

One side says that "BCS rankings" are the tiebreaker. BCS rankings count "others receiving votes" for Harris/USA today in the formula, but only top 25 computer teams are ranked. So, in this scenario, Marshall earns points for receiving 13 out of 1,550 possible AP votes and 10 out of 2,625 possible Harris votes.

The other side says "BCS ranking (i.e. average computer ranking) ", which was the wording in the previous week's release. As vague as that is, I guess that means what the release I linked above says. BCS, but rolled out into full rankings. In this scenario, Rice gets the benefit of an average computer ranking of 47th, where Marshall was 57th.

Had Marshall not received the votes they did this week, and scenario one was used, it would have made for an interesting 0 vs 0 tiebreaker.

Who would ever think a conference football championship at a non neutral site, using a rating system not intended for determining who is the XXth team in the country would fail?

So you are telling me we screwed the Herd twice: 1) By beating them, and 2) By laying an egg in the middle of the season lowering their computer rankings.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 5:20:25 PM

That is an excellent 100th post, cincy!

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 5:30:44 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

No, from 1997 to 2000 the Championship game was held in Huntington, regardless of anyone earning it.

"From 1997-2000, the league’s title game was held at Marshall Stadium in Huntington, W.Va. Beginning with the 2001 game, the site alternated between the West Division and East Division champion. In 2004 the MAC championship game was moved to its current neutral site at Ford Field."

http://www.mac-sports.com/Championships/Football.aspx

And yes, I did have a problem with that agreement.

While what you posted is not incorrect, it appears that the MAC has worded this in an ambiguous way (shocker). Yes, the title game was held in Huntington, but isn't that because Marshall was the top seed in the MAC those years? If Ohio had been the top seed, would they have had to play the title game in Huntington? Otherwise, what a coincidence that the title game venue from 1997-2000 was in the same stadium as the top seed.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 5:42:08 PM

That's my point. As I recall, in one (or more) of those years, I think Toledo had the top billing but had to travel to Huntington anyway because of this agreement.

Edit: In fact, I think the Championship game was to be held in Huntington regardless of whether or not Marshall was in it.

Last Edited: 12/2/2013 5:43:35 PM by Robert Fox

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 5:46:03 PM

A part of me feels bad for Marshall. They were trying to get away from a bush league conference. Unfortunate for their fans that their leaders weren't smart enough to realize they were joining a bush league conference.

Say what you want about Marshall and Temple fans, at least their fans both want and believe their programs are capable of competing at a higher level. Personally, I would love to share conference affiliation with both of those two schools.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Marshall playing for championship Saturday in huntington

Posted: 12/2/2013 5:52:12 PM

Darn you Robert Fox, now you got me thinking about it and in checking the record books, the only year Marshall did NOT have the best conference record was in 2000, when they were 5-3 and WMU was 7-1, yet they still played in Huntington. Man, I would be mad if I were WMU and had to play at Marshall despite having the top seed.

I know it happened in Toledo for the BB tourney, but for football, that is blatantly unfair.

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