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  Message Not Read  Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/7/2013 8:58:35 AM 
Tell me what you guys think about this?
Since Toledo has the same record as us either we both get in or we both don't.







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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/7/2013 9:41:54 AM 
I have seen 2 updated projections this morning now that NIU has lost.  Neither site has Toledo going to a bowl game.  One site has us in the Poinsetta Bowl and the other has Western Kentucky who is 8-4 in the Beef O'Brady Bowl.  For the small group of players on this team that do care and have given it their all this season, I hope this team gets a bowl game.  Let's hope Rutgers and SMU lose today.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/7/2013 10:16:21 AM 
Assuming that all 67 of the currently bowl-eligible AQ teams (even the 6-6 ones) get an invite to a bowl, there'll be three slots available.  Buffalo and WKU are 8-4, so they should fill two of them.  That leaves one slot for the three seven-win teams: Toledo, Ohio and Colo St (7-6), if they don't get a MWC bid.  In that case, I'd guess that Toledo gets the nod over Ohio because of their wins over BG & Buffalo and because they travel better.  But it'll also depend on which bowls are open and whether the MAC has secondary contracts with them.

If Ohio does get into a bowl, I hope our guys see this as a chance for redemption after their miserable November showing.

Last Edited: 12/7/2013 10:17:38 AM by Pataskala

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   Posted: 12/7/2013 10:43:30 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
Assuming that all 67 of the currently bowl-eligible AQ teams (even the 6-6 ones) get an invite to a bowl, there'll be three slots available. Buffalo and WKU are 8-4, so they should fill two of them. That leaves one slot for the three seven-win teams: Toledo, Ohio and Colo St (7-6), if they don't get a MWC bid. In that case, I'd guess that Toledo gets the nod over Ohio because of their wins over BG & Buffalo and because they travel better. But it'll also depend on which bowls are open and whether the MAC has secondary contracts with them.

If Ohio does get into a bowl, I hope our guys see this as a chance for redemption after their miserable November showing.



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Shawn Sellers
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/7/2013 10:44:04 AM 
My opinion on the order of MAC teams deserving bowl games:

1. Bowling Green - MAC Champs
2. NIU - (8-0)
3. Ball State - (7-1)
4. Buffalo - (6-2)
5. Toledo - (5-3) Wins @BG and @CMU
6. Central Michigan - (5-3) Win @Ohio
7. Ohio (4-4) Wins against none of the top 6 (0-3)

To me, the strength of 1-7 is easy to differentiate and any deviation from this order would be unfair.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/7/2013 10:48:52 AM 
Shawn Sellers wrote:
My opinion on the order of MAC teams deserving bowl games:

1. Bowling Green - MAC Champs
2. NIU - (8-0)
3. Ball State - (7-1)
4. Buffalo - (6-2)
5. Toledo - (5-3) Wins @BG and @CMU
6. Central Michigan - (5-3) Win @Ohio
7. Ohio (4-4) Wins against none of the top 6 (0-3)

To me, the strength of 1-7 is easy to differentiate and any deviation from this order would be unfair.


+1

Last Edited: 12/7/2013 10:49:19 AM by Mark Lembright '85
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl Game
   Posted: 12/7/2013 10:58:14 AM 
Shawn Sellers wrote:
My opinion on the order of MAC teams deserving bowl games:

1. Bowling Green - MAC Champs
2. NIU - (8-0)
3. Ball State - (7-1)
4. Buffalo - (6-2)
5. Toledo - (5-3) Wins @BG and @CMU
6. Central Michigan - (5-3) Win @Ohio
7. Ohio (4-4) Wins against none of the top 6 (0-3)

To me, the strength of 1-7 is easy to differentiate and any deviation from this order would be unfair.


A very logical position.
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   Posted: 12/7/2013 11:10:08 AM 
Logical, but that isn't how bowl games are decided. Never forget - this is not a Championship playoff, or anything of the sort. It's about money. Each Bowl will decide which team will bring them the most money, in the form of fans in the seats, or in the form of TV audience. Ohio does not have a great track record as far as bringing fans to the game. They do have a pretty good historical record for TV market share, but I suspect that has to do with competitive games. I suspect TV ratings were poor for the BG and Buffalo games, and that will hurt Ohio's chances far more than the record hurts it.

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   Posted: 12/7/2013 11:13:06 AM 
Just playing devils advocate here, but non conference game wins may be just as important.  Winning in your conference is one thing, winning outside is another.  Here are each of the FBS wins for MAC teams:

Ohio:  vs Marshall, vs N Texas

Buffalo: vs UConn

Toledo: vs Navy

CMU: Nobody

Add to that historical track record of winning two bowl games in a row, plus a multitude of solid regular season non conference wins.

But in that respect you also have;

WKU: vs Kentucky (Neutral site), vs Navy, @ Army

Food for thought, conference record isn't everything.
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   Posted: 12/7/2013 12:15:01 PM 
DFrids wrote:
Just playing devils advocate here, but non conference game wins may be just as important. Winning in your conference is one thing, winning outside is another. Here are each of the FBS wins for MAC teams:

Ohio: vs Marshall, vs N Texas

Buffalo: vs UConn

Toledo: vs Navy

CMU: Nobody

Add to that historical track record of winning two bowl games in a row, plus a multitude of solid regular season non conference wins.

But in that respect you also have;

WKU: vs Kentucky (Neutral site), vs Navy, @ Army

Food for thought, conference record isn't everything.


DFrids, interesting. There are those with hundreds of posts still waiting to contribute like this.

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   Posted: 12/7/2013 12:34:21 PM 
The non-conference schedule  was easy this year.  Also they had SEVEN home games. They had a favorable MAC schedule missing NIU, Toledo and Ball State.  They still managed to lose to CMU and Kent State at home.  The administration did every thing in their power to make it an easy trip to a bowl this year and the players still managed to mess it up.  No way do they deserve a bowl.  They should not be rewarded for a second consecutive .500 year against the MAC.  This was a mediocre football team. Despite a lot of experience Solich couldn't get this team to finish above .500 in a down MAC east with Kent State, Miami, UMass and Akron still rebuilding.  How did we manage to get out recruited by Buffalo these past few years.  A few mediocre recruiting classes killed the momentum we had. Instead of a bowl trip this coaching staff needs to hit the recruiting trail because these last two teams didn't cut it against the MAC.  8-9 last 17 games against the MAC with several poor performances In second half of games. Perhaps the team isn't in great physical conditioning. Offensive line was soft this year. Need to recruit some tough guys. These guy we had this year were too soft. Need to  lite a fire under those guys in the offseason to spend more time in the weight room.  
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   Posted: 12/7/2013 1:26:40 PM 
oubobcatjohn wrote:
...How did we manage to get out recruited by Buffalo these past few years.  A few mediocre recruiting classes killed the momentum we had. ...

It's worth pointing out that the Seniors this year for both Buffalo and Ohio were recruited in 2009. Thus, recruits like Khalil Mack were signed at a time when Buffalo was fresh off a 2008 MAC Championship. By contrast, Ohio was fresh off a 4-8 season.

Yes, a bad class or two can surely mess up the momentum.

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   Posted: 12/7/2013 2:18:48 PM 
Deserving or not, I'd sure like to see us in a bowl game.  From a personal standpoint, O H I O is my team.  From the team's standpoint, we can use the player development that practices and the bowl game would give us....and a bowl W would lessen though not nearly erase, the stain.

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   Posted: 12/7/2013 3:12:27 PM 
I think now that UCF has won Toledo should be going bowling somewhere.  I don't see how they end up not going unless some bowl takes Ohio ahead of them and that's hard to imagine.  Toledo played a really good schedule for a non-AQ so I think they will probably deserve it above all of the teams staying home.  If USF pulls one out against Rutgers, which I'd be very surprised if they do, we will end up in one due to six conference bowl contracts.  Other teams more deserving than us would end up staying home though.
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   Posted: 12/7/2013 5:19:43 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Deserving or not, I'd sure like to see us in a bowl game. From a personal standpoint, O H I O is my team. From the team's standpoint, we can use the player development that practices and the bowl game would give us....and a bowl W would lessen though not nearly erase, the stain.


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   Posted: 12/7/2013 6:23:27 PM 
Victory wrote:
I think now that UCF has won Toledo should be going bowling somewhere.  I don't see how they end up not going unless some bowl takes Ohio ahead of them and that's hard to imagine.  Toledo played a really good schedule for a non-AQ so I think they will probably deserve it above all of the teams staying home.  If USF pulls one out against Rutgers, which I'd be very surprised if they do, we will end up in one due to six conference bowl contracts.  Other teams more deserving than us would end up staying home though.


I've really been looking at this one.  I don't think it's as far as a stretch as I originally thought.  In fact I would not be surprised at all if the Bulls win this one.   

Rutgers wins were over
Norfolk State (3 wins)
Eastern Michigan (close game)
SMU in OT
Temple by 3 (temple with 2 wins)

They did beat Arkansas. 

So I really think there is a good chance.

Fingers crossed 
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   Posted: 12/7/2013 10:50:43 PM 
Rowdy Rufus wrote:
Victory wrote:
I think now that UCF has won Toledo should be going bowling somewhere.  I don't see how they end up not going unless some bowl takes Ohio ahead of them and that's hard to imagine.  Toledo played a really good schedule for a non-AQ so I think they will probably deserve it above all of the teams staying home.  If USF pulls one out against Rutgers, which I'd be very surprised if they do, we will end up in one due to six conference bowl contracts.  Other teams more deserving than us would end up staying home though.


I've really been looking at this one.  I don't think it's as far as a stretch as I originally thought.  In fact I would not be surprised at all if the Bulls win this one.   

Rutgers wins were over
Norfolk State (3 wins)
Eastern Michigan (close game)
SMU in OT
Temple by 3 (temple with 2 wins)

They did beat Arkansas. 

So I really think there is a good chance.

Fingers crossed 


If Rutgers wins -- which they're about to -- they go to a bowl.  AAC has six bowl contracts but only five teams (including Rutgers) to fill them.  Rutgers goes, no matter what, probably to the Compass Bowl; it has the 5th pick among AAC teams.

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   Posted: 12/8/2013 8:33:00 AM 
Several sites this morning still have us projected to play in the Beef O'Brady Bowl and several sites have Toledo going to the Beef Bowl.  Who would get the nod between Ohio and Toledo?
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   Posted: 12/8/2013 8:42:28 AM 
People say "we don't travel well" but I really don't think we travel as poorly as people assume. Compared to other MAC schools, we travel pretty good.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 12/8/2013 10:15:58 AM 
Chicksgotgame wrote:
Several sites this morning still have us projected to play in the Beef O'Brady Bowl and several sites have Toledo going to the Beef Bowl.  Who would get the nod between Ohio and Toledo?


I have to think Toledo would.  They had a better conference record than we did (5-3); they beat the top two teams in our division, and we didn't by a large margin; their only losses were to the top 2 teams in their division and Akron, and I'm not sure we would've beaten Akron on the road in November -- they were vastly improved from when we played them, and we were playing lousy.

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   Posted: 12/8/2013 10:36:12 AM 
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