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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/26/2014 6:41:10 PM 
Was 2010 really a bad class? How bad? How is that impacting things? Well, let's start with a depth chart, taken from another thread, but with the classes of each player added:

Offense
QB – Vick '11, Spraque (walkon '12), Windham '12, Leffingwell (walkon) '13
RB – Patterson '12, Edmond '12, Brown '13, Irons '14, Walker '14
WR – Cochran '10, Murray, Rodriguez '12, Cope '13
WR - S. Smith '12, Dixon (walkon '11), Wyatt '13
WR - L. Smith '11, Reid '12, Sawyer (walkon '11), C. Brown '13
TE – Mangen '13, Morgan '13, Henry '12
LT – McQueen '11, Haser '11, Murdock '13
LG – Lucas '11, Everhart (walkon) '11, Welter '11
C – Powell '11, Smith '10
RG – Wood '13, Gibbons '12
RT – Watson '12, Curtis '11

Defense
DE – Basham '13, Sayles '13, Smart '13
NG – Crutcher '11, Tautaki '13, Porter '13, Aloese '13
DT – McCleod '13, Purdum '11, T. Davis '11
DE – Laseak '12, K. Smith (transfer) '12
WLB – Johnson '11, Schany '12, Poling '13
MLB – Russell '11, B. Brown '12
SLB – Atwell '10, Grady '10, Wm Johnson '12
CB – Bass '11, Brown '13
CB – Wells '11, Stewart '13
SS – Kristoff '10, Macer '11, Alexander '13
FS – Ingol '10, Toran Davis '12, Quallen '13
Nickel – Carpenter '10, Scipio (walkon '12), D. Jones (walkon '11)

Punter – Bonnstetter '14, Venham '11
K – Yazdani (walkon) '11, Amicone (walkon) '12

Next, let's look at who from each year has already used up their eligibility, or is gone or was a no-show:Eligibility Used Up or Contributed but gone for health reasons
2010 – Prior, Om Leftwich, Oct. Leftwich, Dietz
2011 – Knight, Denton, Blankenship, Roback
2012 – Branz, Waters

No Shows or Gone for non-health reasons
2010 – Ashley, Morales, Kozak, Tarrant, Snyder, Jones, Stefanski
2011 – Fisher, Hammonds, Bell, Spivey
2012 – Wells, Clark, Roberts, Murray
2013 - Leavitt

Still on Roster, but Not on Chart
2011 – Price, Bennett (may be gone)
2012 – Tanner (may be gone for health reasons)
2013 - Leavitt (just enrolled)

Now, let's look at this in a table form (Total includes no shows, and walkons that made the chart)
      Gone but             2d   Lower   Tot on     Total   Pct of class
    Contributed  Strters String String  Chart    In Class    Contrib
2010     4         5       2      0       7         18         61%
2011     4        11       7      4      22         32         81%
2012     2         4      10      4      18         25         80%
2013     0         4       5     12      21         22         95%


First, note that only 61% of the players from the 2010 class ever contributed, far lower than any of the other classes. It was not only a small class, yes, it was a bad class. Next, note that of the players on the depth chart, there are only 7 from 2010, while there are 22 from 2011, 18 from 2012, and 22 from 2013. Because the 2010 class was both weak and small, the other players absolutely are playing earlier than they otherwise would have. 

Last year the effect was this - had their been few injuries, the impact would have been fairly minimal, but when there were injuries, the result was that when Seniors got hurt, there were no Juniors behind them to replace them, so that meant that a lot of Freshmen and Sophomore ended up playing, and not all of them were really ready. This year those players will come back with experience, and should be improved. They also, having been under fire, know they need to get a lot bigger, stronger, faster, and better conditioned, so presumably they are working their tails off in winter conditioning that is going on now. (That, right there, is the key to how much they improve by this fall.)

This fall the team will be younger than normal, but the players will have a bit more experience than usual for their age. Depending on winter conditioning, they may be big and strong enough this fall to get the job done. Still, starting 8 underclassmen is a very young team, and we can expect to see some issues cause by it.

Fortunately the recruiting classes of 2011-2012 were pretty good, and a lot higher percentage of those classes have contributed, and the class of 2013 is even better. In 2015-2016 the depth charts should be dominated by experienced upperclassmen, and those vetera
n teams should be very good.

Thus, yes, it was a bad class. The effect was to hurt 2012 somewhat, and 2013 a lot, and 2014 will also be hurt somewhat, too, but in 2014-15 the effect will reverse, and the teams will be better than they otherwise would have been because they will have more experience from having played earlier.

Last Edited: 1/26/2014 6:45:36 PM by L.C.


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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/27/2014 2:19:16 AM 
I count 15 starters on that list that are either 5th or 4th year seniors. There isn't as many 5th year seniors as it was this past years. The expectation for next year I think on offense is to run the ball in 2 or 3 back sets more often with Daz the second option taking the short pass going for yards after carry. He was utilized at slot in the Beef O' Brady Bowl. For a few years there the receivers carried this program offensively until the staff proved capable of recruiting at RB. Go back 15 years ago in college football and the thought was you could either be a passing team or a running team. Then spread offense caught fire with everyone trying to run 5 receiver sets. Today its about the spread option where the ideal balance is the majority yards on the ground but at least in the middle percentile of passing yards. Take control of the line of scrimmage and do what you need to through the air to minimize the possibility of a pick 6. I think this staff certainly gets it and adapts its strategy to personnel that it has available. The secondary is one area in my opinion was down from its usual abilities so if you can correlate depth issues by poor play by unit it would speak more to its effects.


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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/27/2014 7:36:42 AM 
Yes, to cover for the poor 2010 class, they played a number of Freshmen the following year, and they added some JUCOs. Otherwise the number of Seniors would be a lot lower.


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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/27/2014 11:20:26 AM 
Twitter reports from Toledo media indicate we have offered a Co-OC job to Isphording.
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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/27/2014 12:30:46 PM 
Bob Haldeman wrote:
Twitter reports from Toledo media indicate we have offered a Co-OC job to Isphording.


Wow. That's a great national search we conducted.

The Classics department would find this hiring process laughable.
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   Posted: 1/27/2014 1:16:16 PM 
Bob Haldeman wrote:
Twitter reports from Toledo media indicate we have offered a Co-OC job to Isphording.


Bob, Do we have confirmation from G. Gordon Liddy?
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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/27/2014 1:40:27 PM 
Ask the Cubans.
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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/27/2014 1:56:28 PM 
Bob Haldeman wrote:
Ask the Cubans.


If only the Cuban's had run the Duct Tape vertically on the door jam instead of horizontally.......

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LC, sorry for Hijacking your thread.  Maybe I need to switch this to a separate thread on the basketball board since they were breaking into the office of future NBA Commissioner Larry O'Brien?
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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/27/2014 2:05:57 PM 
Toledo Coach Matt Campbell is a Mount Union graduate along with several of his assistants including offensive coordinator Jason Campbell.  I wonder if they were looking to bring in a new QB coach and Recruiting Coordinator anyway?  The Mount Union staff always recruited very well in around the country in particular Florida as they normally have 10 to 12 Florida players on the team.  Pierre Garcon of the Redskins was recruited out of Florida by Mount Union.

The Mount Union's offense has evolved over the years like most schools and they have had a couple of pro-style QB's along with dual threat QB's, but it is amazing that you can pick most any year over the past two decades and they have a nearly 50-50 split of rushing vs. passing yards.

http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/teams/mountunion

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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/27/2014 6:27:42 PM 
[QUOTE=Bobcat Grad 86]Toledo Coach Matt Campbell is a Mount Union graduate along with several of his assistants including offensive coordinator Jason Campbell. I wonder if they were looking to bring in a new QB coach and Recruiting Coordinator anyway? The Mount Union staff always recruited very well in around the country in particular Florida as they normally have 10 to 12 Florida players on the team. Pierre Garcon of the Redskins was recruited out of Florida by Mount Union.

The Mount Union's offense has evolved over the years like most schools and they have had a couple of pro-style QB's along with dual threat QB's, but it is amazing that you can pick most any year over the past two decades and they have a nearly 50-50 split of rushing vs. passing yards.

http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/team...]

Garçon, like the majority of Mt Union players (key) players were transfers, they are the Marshall of DIII, playing with kids they never could have recruited out of high school.
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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
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L.C. wrote:
Yes, to cover for the poor 2010 class, they played a number of Freshmen the following year, and they added some JUCOs. Otherwise the number of Seniors would be a lot lower.

Your stats say there is a shortage of 5th year seniors for next season. I see four of them in the secondary though, guys with a reputation for a lot of missed assignments last year. I'll give you that the experience gap probably cost Ohio the CMU game since that was such a toss up game but you can't say it was a factor when overwhelmed against Kent, BG and Buffalo. I'm not a big fan of redshirting unless there is no potential for a player to see the field in year 1, not even special teams. Every year it seems that 5-6 guys are eligible for a medical redshirt anyways. The 5th year senior factor is overrated because its balanced out with the 5th year injury factor. It astonishes me that staffs in the past have walked into schools and redshirted their first entire class of 28 true freshman players and taking a 2-10 record that year as a result. College football should be about the now and today at all times.

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/28/2014 8:30:12 AM 
LC's comments about the importance of the off-season efforts in strength and conditioning havie me thinking back on Spring Football 2013.  It seemed that  the prior 5-6 Spring Football seasons as reported on BA were much more upbeat or lively than the 2013 version.  Was that a harbinger of things to come?  Did the lack of 2010 class members force a Spring Light in 2013?


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BillyTheCat wrote:
[QUOTE=Bobcat Grad 86]Toledo Coach Matt Campbell is a Mount Union graduate along with several of his assistants including offensive coordinator Jason Campbell. I wonder if they were looking to bring in a new QB coach and Recruiting Coordinator anyway? The Mount Union staff always recruited very well in around the country in particular Florida as they normally have 10 to 12 Florida players on the team. Pierre Garcon of the Redskins was recruited out of Florida by Mount Union.

The Mount Union's offense has evolved over the years like most schools and they have had a couple of pro-style QB's along with dual threat QB's, but it is amazing that you can pick most any year over the past two decades and they have a nearly 50-50 split of rushing vs. passing yards.

http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/team...]

Garçon, like the majority of Mt Union players (key) players were transfers, they are the Marshall of DIII, playing with kids they never could have recruited out of high school.


That, and they sit in a football hotbead of NE Ohio and if kids from that area who get snubbed D1 schools would love to play for national championship in D3 every year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: How does a bad Recruiting class affect things?
   Posted: 1/29/2014 5:40:26 PM 
http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external...

A nice example of how precarious recruiting can be.

 


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