Welcome Guest!
Create an Account
login email:
password:
site searchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp
Message Board
BobcatAttack.com Message Board
Ohio Football
Topic:  Power conferences autonomy talks

Topic:  Power conferences autonomy talks
Author
Message
colobobcat66
General User

Member Since: 9/1/2006
Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO
Post Count: 4,547

Status: Online
  Message Not Read  Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/17/2014 4:24:44 PM 
Well, the college sports landscape is finally going to officially split into haves and have nots pretty soon. As the presidents of the "resourced conferences" meet this week in San Diego, We are closer to the split that some on here have said will never happen and others here have feared would happen. It's the next step in the poor step children like the MAC being placed at the back table. "Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night."
Back to Top
  
Casper71
General User

Member Since: 12/1/2006
Post Count: 3,090

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/18/2014 7:10:40 PM 
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA.  We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player.  it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us.  They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.

 
Back to Top
  
Deciduous Forest Cat
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Ohio
Post Count: 4,466

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/18/2014 9:29:15 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA.  We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player.  it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us.  They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.

 


Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.

Last Edited: 1/18/2014 9:29:40 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat
Back to Top
  
catfan28
General User

Member Since: 6/11/2011
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 1,503

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/18/2014 11:20:54 PM 
I would bet the farm that nothing will change. It's just idle talk and has been for years. They need us, we need them, etc. I do not foresee any major changes whatsoever.
Back to Top
  
Mike Johnson
General User



Member Since: 11/11/2004
Location: North Canton, OH
Post Count: 1,736

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 10:06:45 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA.  We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player.  it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us.  They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.

 


Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.



Agree,  The day colleges start paying players - call it a stipend, if you like - is the day I stop following college sports.  I say "sports" and not just football, because once the payments begin I'm thinking they must be paid all scholarship athletes in all sports. 

Looking further ahead, once such payments begin, the pressure will start building to increase the "stipends." 

Last Edited: 1/19/2014 10:07:19 AM by Mike Johnson

http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author

Back to Top
  
colobobcat66
General User

Member Since: 9/1/2006
Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO
Post Count: 4,547

Status: Online
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 10:38:25 AM 
catfan28 wrote:
I would bet the farm that nothing will change. It's just idle talk and has been for years. They need us, we need them, etc. I do not foresee any major changes whatsoever.
I think you may be off base on this prediction. Once the haves start paying their players the full cost of college, there will additional separation. We will continue to play the top group, but will be relegated to a lower division in essence.
Back to Top
  
Pataskala
General User

Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 9,363

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 12:03:22 PM 
There will definitely be fewer opportunities for conferences like the MAC to schedule to "power" conferences.  The P's expansion is making them expand their conference schedules to nine instead of eight games.  And if they start paying players, they'll need more money which means higher ticket prices (also a necessity due to fewer home games because of more conference games) which means that ticket buyers will pressure them for bigger name teams.  Most of them will have maybe one slot for non-Ps, two at most. 

If they start paying players maybe they should have fewer schollies.  That would help spread the availability of quality players among more teams. 

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.
Back to Top
  
TWT
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 5,169

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 12:14:03 PM 
The direction I see the football program going in is away from the payday games with a concentration on more home dates. More home games is working for the program and the solid attendance average over 7 games was used as justification for the at-large bowl bid. I bet if the MAC, CUSA, SBC, AAC and MWC would all be forced down to FCS attendance in Peden would stay strong. Ohio were to move down when another 8-10 programs moved up from FCS not so much.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Back to Top
  
BillyTheCat
General User

Member Since: 10/6/2012
Post Count: 10,392

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 12:36:28 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA. We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player. it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us. They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.



Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.



Agree, The day colleges start paying players - call it a stipend, if you like - is the day I stop following college sports. I say "sports" and not just football, because once the payments begin I'm thinking they must be paid all scholarship athletes in all sports.

Looking further ahead, once such payments begin, the pressure will start building to increase the "stipends."


College players are already paid, they receive scholarships, room and board, etc.
Back to Top
  
Robert Fox
General User

Member Since: 11/16/2004
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post Count: 2,039

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 1:02:21 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA. We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player. it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us. They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.



Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.



Agree, The day colleges start paying players - call it a stipend, if you like - is the day I stop following college sports. I say "sports" and not just football, because once the payments begin I'm thinking they must be paid all scholarship athletes in all sports.

Looking further ahead, once such payments begin, the pressure will start building to increase the "stipends."


College players are already paid, they receive scholarships, room and board, etc.


So are you saying there is no difference in this proposed stipend? Or are you splitting hairs in order to argue?
Back to Top
  
Monroe Slavin
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Oxnard, CA
Post Count: 9,121

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 1:58:19 PM 
Whatever.  Win some games against good teams.  Win the MAC Championship.

Where's the band?!
WHERE"S THE BAND?!


DesignspiritUSA.com
The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags
The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping!

Back to Top
  
colobobcat66
General User

Member Since: 9/1/2006
Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO
Post Count: 4,547

Status: Online
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 4:09:12 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
There will definitely be fewer opportunities for conferences like the MAC to schedule to "power" conferences. The P's expansion is making them expand their conference schedules to nine instead of eight games. And if they start paying players, they'll need more money which means higher ticket prices (also a necessity due to fewer home games because of more conference games) which means that ticket buyers will pressure them for bigger name teams. Most of them will have maybe one slot for non-Ps, two at most.

If they start paying players maybe they should have fewer schollies. That would help spread the availability of quality players among more teams.
another problem is that they are talking about more schollies not less
Back to Top
  
BillyTheCat
General User

Member Since: 10/6/2012
Post Count: 10,392

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 6:38:03 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA. We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player. it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us. They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.



Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.



Agree, The day colleges start paying players - call it a stipend, if you like - is the day I stop following college sports. I say "sports" and not just football, because once the payments begin I'm thinking they must be paid all scholarship athletes in all sports.

Looking further ahead, once such payments begin, the pressure will start building to increase the "stipends."


College players are already paid, they receive scholarships, room and board, etc.


So are you saying there is no difference in this proposed stipend? Or are you splitting hairs in order to argue?


Not at all saying that there is no difference! Just pointing out that kids are already compensated, and ones from poor economic situations can really make out.
Back to Top
  
Casper71
General User

Member Since: 12/1/2006
Post Count: 3,090

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/19/2014 11:54:31 PM 
Most if not all of the 125 schools pay grad students tutiton and fees AND a salary for teaching (20 hrs per week).  So, why won't they pay an athlete a"salary" in addition to their tuition and fees?

And, why will they schedule us?  They will need games! And, why will we take the pay day? 'Cause we need the money.

We just won't have access to any big time bowls as if we really ever had.  The Division we're in will be relegated to crap bowls OR have some kind of play off too.

Just a matter of one more realignment and time...stay tuned!

 
Back to Top
  
Paul Graham
General User



Member Since: 1/18/2005
Location: The Plains, OH
Post Count: 1,424

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/20/2014 2:47:17 AM 
So some of you are completely fine with college coaches making multi-million dollar salaries? Assistant coaches and AD's making hundreds of thousands of dollars? The TV networks, the conferences, the bowl game powers-that-be... all lining their pockets? And yet, paying those that actually do the work (while putting their long-term health at-risk) a *meager* salary is unacceptable?! Seriously, how can you justify that position?

Last Edited: 1/20/2014 2:49:03 AM by Paul Graham
Back to Top
  
Mike Johnson
General User



Member Since: 11/11/2004
Location: North Canton, OH
Post Count: 1,736

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/20/2014 10:30:29 AM 
Paul Graham wrote:
So some of you are completely fine with college coaches making multi-million dollar salaries? Assistant coaches and AD's making hundreds of thousands of dollars? The TV networks, the conferences, the bowl game powers-that-be... all lining their pockets? And yet, paying those that actually do the work (while putting their long-term health at-risk) a *meager* salary is unacceptable?! Seriously, how can you justify that position?



Although my view might be the minority one, I justify my opposition to paying college athletes beyond the valuable "rides" they receive for this reason: They are choosing to play.

Parents, other family members, friends and others might be encouraging a high school athlete to play college sports, but in the end it's a matter of choice.

http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author

Back to Top
  
Brian Smith (No, not that one)
General User

Member Since: 2/3/2005
Post Count: 3,016

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/20/2014 11:55:37 AM 
Very long term, I could see the highest level of college football becoming privatized and made into a quite profitable club system that loosely ties the program to the university via corporate adoption. An owner pays the university a certain amount of money for the rights to operate the team. Working out whether the players would be required to be an actual college student could be a contentious issue.

Last Edited: 1/20/2014 11:56:25 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
Back to Top
  
rpbobcat
General User

Member Since: 4/28/2006
Location: Rochelle Park, NJ
Post Count: 3,597

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/20/2014 12:11:29 PM 
I was a "walk-on" for O.U's  D1 men's soccer team.
Not only was most of the team playing without scholarship money,we even had to pay for our preseason housing and meals.

I transfered from O.U. to F.D.U. and wrestled D 1 there.
I started as "walk-on" and got a partial (very partial) scholarship my Senior year.

My Senior year I tore up 1 knee and had my shouler seperated 1 week before Nationals, so I also know a little bit about injuries and their impact.

I realize neither sport is a "money maker" with a "pro" component.

Those of us who didn't have a scholarship competed because we enjoyed the sport. Any member of either team would have considered a full ride with room and board and  books,more then enough compensation for competing.

If you are on an athletic  scholarship you are getting a free education that you keep after you finish participating in a sport.
You also get travel and other "perks" that the average student doesn't.

To me, that's enough "compensation".
Back to Top
  
JSF
General User



Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,549

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/20/2014 1:56:52 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
Parents, other family members, friends and others might be encouraging a high school athlete to play college sports, but in the end it's a matter of choice.


Is it choice or the illusion of choice?

"Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season.

My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8

Back to Top
  
bornacatfan
General User



Member Since: 8/3/2006
Post Count: 5,716

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/21/2014 8:55:51 AM 
Intreresting conversation. I thought this realignment of haves and have nots was just a bunch of illegitimate rumours and idle talk on Big 6 message boards not to be believed and never with a chance in hell of gaining ANY traction.

never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game

Back to Top
  
Mike Johnson
General User



Member Since: 11/11/2004
Location: North Canton, OH
Post Count: 1,736

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/21/2014 10:48:53 AM 
JSF wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Parents, other family members, friends and others might be encouraging a high school athlete to play college sports, but in the end it's a matter of choice.


Is it choice or the illusion of choice?


For weak-minded or easily persuaded HS athletes, it might be an illusion. For most, though, to me it is a real choice. And, in a statement of the blindingly obvious, when choices are made, consequences will follow.

http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author

Back to Top
  
D.A.
General User

Member Since: 8/6/2010
Location: Georgetown, ME
Post Count: 1,190

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/21/2014 11:16:28 AM 
http://csnbbs.com/thread-673170.html

The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats!

And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

"This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday
Back to Top
  
D.A.
General User

Member Since: 8/6/2010
Location: Georgetown, ME
Post Count: 1,190

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Power conferences autonomy talks
   Posted: 1/25/2014 8:38:25 AM 
Some good info about the last year of the BCS and the payout for non-AQ's under the new, 12 year playoff agreement: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-do...

Last Edited: 1/25/2014 8:39:29 AM by D.A.

The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats!

And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

"This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday
Back to Top
  
Showing Replies:  1 - 23  of 23 Posts
Jump to Page:  1
View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             



WHO'S ONLINE
There are 361 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com
358 Guests
3 Registered Users:
 cbarber357, colobobcat66, OhioCatFan
There are no other users looking at this page.




Copyright ©2025 BobcatAttack.com. All rights reserved.  |  Privacy Policy  |  Terms of Use
Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties