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Solich made some interesting remarks referencing the influence these two things have played in our ability to recruit recently. I found the entire thing pretty interesting beyond just the talk of the incoming players... I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/5/2015 12:46:31 PM  I loved the point that he made (and makes every year, and was echoed by Coach Phillips when he was hired) that the key seems to be to get the potential recruit and their parents on campus and see how beautiful the place is. It's something we all know but it's always nice to hear that it's sort of a universal sentiment. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,788 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/5/2015 12:56:30 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: I loved the point that he made (and makes every year, and was echoed by Coach Phillips when he was hired) that the key seems to be to get the potential recruit and their parents on campus and see how beautiful the place is. It's something we all know but it's always nice to hear that it's sort of a universal sentiment. I read somewhere online this morning that Miami did not lose a single recruit that visited their campus to another MAC school. They must feel the same way. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,357 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/5/2015 12:59:41 PM  We hear something like this almost every year (from the Dispatch): Glasco committed to Ohio shortly after attending a camp on June 3 in Athens. His host was a logical choice, safety Josh Kristoff, a Pickerington Central graduate. “That’s my boy, Josh,” said Glasco, who is listed at 6-1, 230. “He’s a good friend — almost like a big brother. I talked to the coaches about football but also grades. I loved the campus and the coaches made me feel like I was part of a family. The academics are strong.” We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,661 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/5/2015 8:49:36 PM  shabamon wrote: I read somewhere online this morning that Miami did not lose a single recruit that visited their campus to another MAC school. They must feel the same way. This has another explanation . . . after visiting Oxford the Suction Vortex got a hold of them and like a bungee cord attached to their feet it just pulled them back. I.E., Miami Sucks! ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/5/2015 9:48:26 PM  I liked the comment in regards to Mayne Williams (I think it was him), that, basically, he came to Athens for a game with a teammate (Christian I think) one Saturday and loved the atmosphere so much that he decided to commit. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 8:27:50 AM  C Money wrote: I liked the comment in regards to Mayne Williams (I think it was him), that, basically, he came to Athens for a game with a teammate (Christian I think) one Saturday and loved the atmosphere so much that he decided to commit. I thought that was with regard to Christian, who came with Mayne, and who was originally committed to Purdue. That's a tremendous compliment to the fans that he liked the game atmosphere better in Athens than at Purdue. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 9:50:25 AM  L.C. wrote: C Money wrote: I liked the comment in regards to Mayne Williams (I think it was him), that, basically, he came to Athens for a game with a teammate (Christian I think) one Saturday and loved the atmosphere so much that he decided to commit. I thought that was with regard to Christian, who came with Mayne, and who was originally committed to Purdue. That's a tremendous compliment to the fans that he liked the game atmosphere better in Athens than at Purdue. You are probably right. I was multitasking (cooking, wrestling with a 2 year old, and trying to listen to the broadcast) so I may have that backwards. :) Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,661 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 10:30:17 AM  L.C. wrote: . . . That's a tremendous compliment to the fans that he liked the game atmosphere better in Athens than at Purdue. I'll bet he wasn't here for a weekday night game in November. ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top davepi2 General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: columbus, OH Post Count: 583 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 12:14:43 PM  I see on rivals they have our class ranked at #109, Miami I believe was ranked #84. We have 3 3* on the list with the rest 2*. I guess it is better then in the past when some 1*'s showed up. Forgive me for not knowing all the normal strengths of MAC classes, but how do our members here rate this class? I was hoping after the upbeat public meeting with the coaches the other night we had a good class. It doesn't appear that way at least in the opinion of Rivals. Last Edited: 2/6/2015 12:20:45 PM by davepi2 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 12:32:34 PM  Here are the rankings: Rivals- Three 3-star recruits, #109 in the US, #7 in the MAC 247Sports - Four 3-star recruits, #91 in the US, #5 in the MAC ESPN - One 4-star recruit, 7 3-star recruits (once they add Colbert), ranking is lower than 75, which is as high as they go. I would guess it would be about #80 if they ranked down that far Scout.com - Eight 3-star recruits (once they subtract Stevens-McKenzie), #81 in the US, #6 in the MAC Keep in mind that the ratings are pretty accurate near the top, where they put most of their effort, and not very accurate at all nearer to the bottom, where they put very little effort. ESPN is honest about it, and they don't give a rank at all below #75, and I think they used to stop at 50. I'd say that Ohio's class in the top third of the MAC, which is quite a bit higher than they used to be. They used to normally be ranked about #8-10 most years. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 1:21:12 PM  At the risk of sounding like one of those elitist fans that think they deserve to be at the top in everything, I'm not particularly thrilled that our conference recruiting ranking is averaging 6th best. With the coaching stability (and storied coach), the facilities, the (until recently) consecutive bowl games and the ESPN coverage, I had higher expectations for recruiting performance over other MAC programs. Especially Miami. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,577 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 2:21:09 PM  L.C. wrote: C Money wrote: I liked the comment in regards to Mayne Williams (I think it was him), that, basically, he came to Athens for a game with a teammate (Christian I think) one Saturday and loved the atmosphere so much that he decided to commit. I thought that was with regard to Christian, who came with Mayne, and who was originally committed to Purdue. That's a tremendous compliment to the fans that he liked the game atmosphere better in Athens than at Purdue. Christian did not visit until a couple weeks ago. He visited with Javon Hagan (already committed) and decided to commit. Hagan has spoken multiple times highly of both the atmosphere in Peden and our great campus. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Cats-22 General User Member Since: 9/30/2006 Post Count: 370 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 2:31:53 PM  Ohio's class is only middle of the MAC on Rivals because they rank a lot of our 2* guys as lower 2*s (5.2 rating) instead of higher (5.3 or 5.4). But based on previous seasons, I think the lowest-ranked guys picked by Ohio's coaches tend to end up being better than what Rivals said. So I'm less worried about the middle-of-the-MAC ranking overall. At the high-end, Rivals is probably more accurate. There Ohio is doing well. Here are the MAC teams along with how many of their 2015 recruits were rated Rivals 5.6 or higher: 4 WMU 3 Toledo 3 Ohio 1 BG 1 Kent 1 Akron 1 UMass 0 everyone else Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 2:40:14 PM  OhioStunter wrote: At the risk of sounding like one of those elitist fans that think they deserve to be at the top in everything, I'm not particularly thrilled that our conference recruiting ranking is averaging 6th best. With the coaching stability (and storied coach), the facilities, the (until recently) consecutive bowl games and the ESPN coverage, I had higher expectations for recruiting performance over other MAC programs. Especially Miami. I gave up taking the rankings very seriously a long time ago. To make my point of how the accuracy is slanted to the front end, looking at Rivals, the team ranked #1 has 3193 points, while the team ranked #10 has 2478 points, a difference of 700 points. The difference between Ohio and the team ranked #1 in the MAC, WMU, is <300 points. Even then, their "rankings" are a total mystery. For example, compare Ohio to BG. Per their info, Ohio has 23 recruits, with three 3-star recruts, and an average rating of 2.13. BG has 22 recruits, with two 3-star recruits, and an average rating of 2.06. Somehow BG is rated #5, while Ohio is #7. I do look at the rankings, I just don't put a lot of stock in them. Instead I have started watching the actual film, and judging for myself. I haven't looked at the film of the other MAC teams' recruits, so I can't tell you how Ohio looks relative to them, but I can say that I think this is a very good group compared to the players Ohio normally has had. The Optimist wrote: Christian did not visit until a couple weeks ago. He visited with Javon Hagan (already committed) and decided to commit.... I probably have it wrong then. I'll have to listen and see who it was that they said visited, and liked the game-day atmosphere. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 2:50:46 PM  LC, as de facto historian of the FS years, at least, I am buoyed by your comments on the national recruiting spectacle. Of course, it matters, but as I was arguing politely with my A&M friend this morning, looking back at even our own history (thank you, in particular, for that) relatively little of the hype bears out. I'm perfectly happy to wait a couple of years to see what actually happens. Or, in the case, of AJ Ouelette for example, at least until fall semester starts. (So much for national signing day.) Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 3:09:25 PM  LC, I'm with you -- I wouldn't put too much stock in the rankings. I would especially discount the rankings if Ohio bucked the trend by having several players on all-MAC teams. But the average recruiting rankings and the below-average level of players on the all-conference teams lead me to think that Ohio is not getting the quality level of players that they should be getting (given the reasons I cited in my post above). With all that we have going for the program, we should be better than below average in this conference in regards to recruiting and player recognition. Back to Top davepi2 General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: columbus, OH Post Count: 583 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 3:10:09 PM  Bobcatbob wrote: LC, as de facto historian of the FS years, at least, I am buoyed by your comments on the national recruiting spectacle. Of course, it matters, but as I was arguing politely with my A&M friend this morning, looking back at even our own history (thank you, in particular, for that) relatively little of the hype bears out. I'm perfectly happy to wait a couple of years to see what actually happens. Or, in the case, of AJ Ouelette for example, at least until fall semester starts. (So much for national signing day.) BobcatBob your comment about AJ is perfect. Thanks Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 4:26:43 PM  OhioStunter wrote: ...But the average recruiting rankings and the below-average level of players on the all-conference teams lead me to think that Ohio is not getting the quality level of players that they should be getting ... Moving some data from page three of the "way too early 2015 depth chart thread, since it applies to this discussion, and adding this year's data, here are the average MAC rankings of Ohio recruiting classes, averaging all the rankings together: 2002 8.5 Knorr/ 2003 8.7 Knorr/ 2004 6.7 Knorr/Germano 2005 7.0 Solich/Germano 2006 5.3 Solich/Germano 2007 8.0 Solich/Germano (was really much better, see discussion below) 2008 7.7 Solich/Germano 2009 6.7 Solich/Germano 2010 12.0 Solich/Isphording 2011 4.0 Solich/Haines (was really much worse, see discussion below) 2012 7.0 Solich/Haines 2013 8.7 Solich/Haines (so far looks to be much better) 2014 4.5 Solich/Haines 2015 6.0 Solich/Haines As I said in the other thread, I think history clearly shows that the 2008 class was better than it was rated, while the 2011 class was not as good at the rating. The 2008 Class included tons of unranked and unknown players that turned out well, Jordon Thompson, Eric Herman, Neal Huynh, Alphonso Lewis, Vince Carlotta, Tyler Futrell, Travis Carrie, and Matt Weller, and only a few 3-star players, Bakari Bussy, Matt Britain, Tremayne Scott and Gerald Moore. Meanwhile, the 2011 class included a lot of 3-star rated players that never contributed, or who left the program early, such as Ronnie Bell, Andrew Bennett, Kyle Hammonds, Justin Haser, Lorenzo Fisher, and Eric Price. Adjusting for that, you can see that the data isn't totally worthless, or totally wrong; it's just a bit off sometimes. You can see also that recruiting under Germano was decent, and that was reflected in the improving teams up to 2011. As for the 2010 class, that one shows conclusively that the data isn't totally off, especially when you get an extreme result. The rankings said it was an extremely bad class, and it was at least that bad. So, where are we today? I think history will show that the 2013 class was, like the 2008 class, significantly better than it's ranking. Like 2008 it had a large number of unknown recruits that are turning out to be good football players. Among the people from 2013 who got no 3-star ratings are Brendon Cope, Troy Mangen Cleon Aloese, Tyrell Basham, Tony Porter, Dorian Brown, Quentin Poling, Trent Smart, Casey Sayles, Durrell Wood, Mason Morgan, and Corey Quallen. I'm sorry, but now that I've seen them play, I definitely don't think that group is a bottom of the MAC recruiting class. Other than 2013, all the recent classes have been rated middle of the MAC or better, and I think that's right. We could quibble about whether or not the 2015 class should be ranked #4 or #6, but the difference isn't significant. It's still a top half of the MAC recruiting class, perhaps better. In my opinion, the 2013-2015 classes are at least comparable to 2006-2008, and probably better. The 2006-2008 bunch led to some pretty good teams from 2009-2011, including two MAC East Championships. I expect 2015-2018 to be back to the same level of play, and actually, I expect them to be better than those teams. Last Edited: 2/6/2015 4:32:23 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 6:16:58 PM  LC, as always, I love the data you bring to the board. I just wonder why Ohio isn't consistently among the top 3 recruiting classes in the conference. Outside of NIU, Ohio has had as much success consistently on the field, with a legendary coach and as stable a coaching staff that you'll find at this level. Plus the facilities and campus are among the best in the conference. Add in bowl success and national TV exposure and we have a lot going for Ohio. What do the other MAC schools have to offer to lure better recruiting classes? Maybe the rankings don't really matter as you say, but then if we look at how they pan out with all-conference selections, we still are around middle of the pack (I know that is not a total indication of how your overall recruiting class performs). I'm just saying that we should be striving to be better than middle of the pack (or even at the low end of the top half of the MAC) in recruiting and in all-conference selections. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/6/2015 6:37:03 PM  I think that the rural area, the lack of football tradition, and the facilities have all hurt Ohio in the past. I think that those are all being eliminated as reasons, which is why Ohio's average rating has been rising. I don't think it's done rising, either. The IPF has helped, and the new academic center will help, too. You can also see the influence that the game-day atmosphere and tremendous fan support are having. Ohio fans now have an expectation of winning, and they support the team. If you look at the table, Ohio ranked in the #8 range in the 2002-2005 period, then about #6-7 from 2006-2009. Now they are about #5 or so. I don't think we're far from a day when Ohio starts ending up #3. Note also that the last couple years Ohio's rating has been artificially decreased one notch by the spectacular classes Fleck has recruited to WMU, which are way out of range of the historical norms for MAC programs. I think he'll be gone from there after this year, and then WMU will return back to the norm. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/7/2015 10:06:14 AM  The one thing about this class that is the most different from the prior recruiting classes is the presence of several what I would call "true 3-star" recruits. Other classes have had a guy here and there that had multiple P5 offers, and consensus 3-star ratings, but this class has about 5 of them. Last Edited: 2/7/2015 2:31:34 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/7/2015 12:14:07 PM  L.C. wrote: The one thing about this class that is the most different from the prior recruiting classes is the presences of several what I would call "true 3-star" recruits. Other classes have had a guy here and there that had multiple P5 offers, and consensus 3-star ratings, but this class has about 5 of them. +1 Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/7/2015 12:59:50 PM  Paul Graham wrote: L.C. wrote: The one thing about this class that is the most different from the prior recruiting classes is the presences of several what I would call "true 3-star" recruits. Other classes have had a guy here and there that had multiple P5 offers, and consensus 3-star ratings, but this class has about 5 of them. +1 +1 "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Bcat++ General User Member Since: 2/7/2015 Post Count: 3 Status: Offline     RE: Interesting comments from Signing Day press conference    Posted: 2/7/2015 1:47:00 PM  I'd like to add that I really enjoyed the signing day press conference. Frank and Brian have fabulous chemistry and had me on the edge of my seat throughout the proceedings. Me thinks broadcasting is in Frank's future after he captures a few MAC titles! Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 40 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 222 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 222 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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