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   Posted: 2/25/2015 3:11:48 PM 
Western Michigan is playing at USC in 2017

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   Posted: 2/25/2015 3:33:38 PM 
Why should we be jealous that the Broncos have to make a long trip to collect their Power 5 payday? Call me when the Trojans land in Kalamazoo and I'll consider a pang of envy.
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   Posted: 2/25/2015 8:37:20 PM 
Just another game between directional schools.

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Pataskala wrote:
Just another game between directional schools.


Good point! ;-)

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   Posted: 2/26/2015 7:24:47 AM 
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Why should we be jealous that the Broncos have to make a long trip to collect their Power 5 payday? Call me when the Trojans land in Kalamazoo and I'll consider a pang of envy.


Call me crazy...and this is just crazy, but if we're talking paydays I wouldn't mind playing in sunny SoCal.
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   Posted: 2/26/2015 7:38:33 AM 
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Call me crazy...and this is just crazy, but if we're talking paydays I wouldn't mind playing in sunny SoCal.

Most of the time the money games are the first or the second game of the year, and you aren't going to notice that much difference. Now, if you could play in sunny SoCal in November....

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   Posted: 2/26/2015 9:13:28 AM 
I've often thought it would be very cool to see a game at SoCal. I've often thought highly of Trojan colors and fight song, and to me the Trojans have the nation's best mascot.

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Mike Johnson wrote:
I've often thought it would be very cool to see a game at SoCal. I've often thought highly of Trojan colors and fight song, and to me the Trojans have the nation's best mascot.


And the best cheerleaders...ahh the song girls.
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GoCats105 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
Why should we be jealous that the Broncos have to make a long trip to collect their Power 5 payday? Call me when the Trojans land in Kalamazoo and I'll consider a pang of envy.


Call me crazy...and this is just crazy, but if we're talking paydays I wouldn't mind playing in sunny SoCal.

+1
But there are those that see no difference between Minnesota and USC.
And we're playing non payday away games at places like Idaho, New Mexico State and Wyoming and we're talking about long trips being a problem.

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colobobcat66 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
Why should we be jealous that the Broncos have to make a long trip to collect their Power 5 payday? Call me when the Trojans land in Kalamazoo and I'll consider a pang of envy.


Call me crazy...and this is just crazy, but if we're talking paydays I wouldn't mind playing in sunny SoCal.

+1
But there are those that see no difference between Minnesota and USC.
And we're playing non payday away games at places like Idaho, New Mexico State and Wyoming and we're talking about long trips being a problem.


Right on...big difference...could be used as a sales point in recruiting if you can tell a kid we play a PAC-12 school once in their 4 years in Athens, plus added visibility to possible JUCO's we tend to recruit from...ahem....California.
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On the one hand, if you are recruiting California, Florida, or Texas, play some games there.

On the other hand, if the money is close, play where your fans can show up, like MI, IN, IL, WV, PA, NC, KY, etc.




Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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colobobcat66 wrote:
+1
But there are those that see no difference between Minnesota and USC.
And we're playing non payday away games at places like Idaho, New Mexico State and Wyoming and we're talking about long trips being a problem.


If the money's equal, I do see a difference. Yes, there's less prestige in Minnesota's program than USC's, but you're also more likely to pull an upset at Minnesota than you are at USC.

Don't get me wrong -- if USC came to us with a hole in their schedule and $1 million to fill it, I think it'd be great. I just don't think it's any kind of accomplishment for any program to be a schedule-filling mid-major. It's simply a reality of the current landscape. Winning those games is an entirely different matter.

Put a different way: Should we envy UC Davis' program because they got to play Stanford last year?
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   Posted: 2/27/2015 9:35:04 AM 
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colobobcat66 wrote:
+1
But there are those that see no difference between Minnesota and USC.
And we're playing non payday away games at places like Idaho, New Mexico State and Wyoming and we're talking about long trips being a problem.


If the money's equal, I do see a difference. Yes, there's less prestige in Minnesota's program than USC's, but you're also more likely to pull an upset at Minnesota than you are at USC.

Don't get me wrong -- if USC came to us with a hole in their schedule and $1 million to fill it, I think it'd be great. I just don't think it's any kind of accomplishment for any program to be a schedule-filling mid-major. It's simply a reality of the current landscape. Winning those games is an entirely different matter.

Put a different way: Should we envy UC Davis' program because they got to play Stanford last year?

Good points. Our current strategy seems to be scheduling P5 teams that we have some chance of winning, and that ain't bad if you want to pad your wins. We do the same thing with our G5 scheduling. You have to start a winning tradition by having that strategy, so it makes some sense. I'm just wondering if that stategy will ever change or that's what it will continue to be down the road.
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   Posted: 2/27/2015 9:35:56 AM 
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If the money's equal, I do see a difference. Yes, there's less prestige in Minnesota's program than USC's, but you're also more likely to pull an upset at Minnesota than you are at USC.

Don't get me wrong -- if USC came to us with a hole in their schedule and $1 million to fill it, I think it'd be great. I just don't think it's any kind of accomplishment for any program to be a schedule-filling mid-major. It's simply a reality of the current landscape. Winning those games is an entirely different matter....

+1

Personally I don't think you gain much prestige from losing to a Top Ten team, at least, not unless you can hold it very, very close, and even it isn't much, and doesn't last long. A year after Ohio nearly upset Ohio State in 2008, for non-Ohio fans, the closeness of the game was forgotten, and it just another game in the loss column for Ohio, and another "W" for Ohio State. I do think you get lasting prestige from beating a P5 team, any P5 team. Thus, the "W" over Illinois in 2006 remains as a point of prestige.

As far as recruiting, yes, I think there is something to be gained from playing in an area where you recruit, and these days the bulk of Ohio's recruits come from Ohio, with a few from Florida-Georgia, and some from Maryland, some from Pennsylvania, and some from Kentucky. Almost never do they recruit anyone from California other than Jucos. Going back as far as 2002, the only non-Jucos from California have been William Johnson, Dylan Reda, and Brooks Rossman.

colobobcat66 wrote:
Good points. Our current strategy seems to be scheduling P5 teams that we have some chance of winning, and that ain't bad if you want to pad your wins. We do the same thing with our G5 scheduling. You have to start a winning tradition by having that strategy, so it makes some sense. I'm just wondering if that stategy will ever change or that's what it will continue to be down the road.

I don't think the strategy will ever change, however, as Ohio continues to improve, the teams that "they have a chance of beating" keep getting better. Thus, now you see OOC home and home series against teams like Kansas and UC, where before you'd see La-La, NMSU or NTSU. It's been a slow change, and for some too slow, but I do see it happening.

The real key that determines how far Ohio can swing in that direction is the fans, and ticket prices. The better the home attendance, and the higher the ticket prices, the more attractive Ohio becomes as a place to play, and the more they can afford to play home-home series instead of "money games" on the road in far away places.

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Ohio69 wrote:
On the one hand, if you are recruiting California, Florida, or Texas, play some games there.

On the other hand, if the money is close, play where your fans can show up, like MI, IN, IL, WV, PA, NC, KY, etc.





Minnesota may be a little far for our fans, we'll see this fall. My experience was that St Pete, Penn State and Northwestern were very good, while Missouri, Wyoming, New Orleans, and NMSU were bad or not so good. So to me Missouri and St Pete are the outliers. Distance does matter for sure. I'm okay with close games too.
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L.C. wrote:
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If the money's equal, I do see a difference. Yes, there's less prestige in Minnesota's program than USC's, but you're also more likely to pull an upset at Minnesota than you are at USC.

Don't get me wrong -- if USC came to us with a hole in their schedule and $1 million to fill it, I think it'd be great. I just don't think it's any kind of accomplishment for any program to be a schedule-filling mid-major. It's simply a reality of the current landscape. Winning those games is an entirely different matter....

+1

Personally I don't think you gain much prestige from losing to a Top Ten team, at least, not unless you can hold it very, very close, and even it isn't much, and doesn't last long. A year after Ohio nearly upset Ohio State in 2008, for non-Ohio fans, the closeness of the game was forgotten, and it just another game in the loss column for Ohio, and another "W" for Ohio State. I do think you get lasting prestige from beating a P5 team, any P5 team. Thus, the "W" over Illinois in 2006 remains as a point of prestige.

As far as recruiting, yes, I think there is something to be gained from playing in an area where you recruit, and these days the bulk of Ohio's recruits come from Ohio, with a few from Florida-Georgia, and some from Maryland, some from Pennsylvania, and some from Kentucky. Almost never do they recruit anyone from California other than Jucos. Going back as far as 2002, the only non-Jucos from California have been William Johnson, Dylan Reda, and Brooks Rossman.

colobobcat66 wrote:
Good points. Our current strategy seems to be scheduling P5 teams that we have some chance of winning, and that ain't bad if you want to pad your wins. We do the same thing with our G5 scheduling. You have to start a winning tradition by having that strategy, so it makes some sense. I'm just wondering if that stategy will ever change or that's what it will continue to be down the road.

I don't think the strategy will ever change, however, as Ohio continues to improve, the teams that "they have a chance of beating" keep getting better. Thus, now you see OOC home and home series against teams like Kansas and UC, where before you'd see La-La, NMSU or NTSU. It's been a slow change, and for some too slow, but I do see it happening.

The real key that determines how far Ohio can swing in that direction is the fans, and ticket prices. The better the home attendance, and the higher the ticket prices, the more attractive Ohio becomes as a place to play, and the more they can afford to play home-home series instead of "money games" on the road in far away places.

We are in Athens and playing in Peden Stadium. Unless Apple moves their headquarters here and Phil Knight decides that he's been supporting the wrong OU/UO, we are who we are. The attendance(with mid week games) and ticket prices are fairly much stuck where they are.

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   Posted: 2/27/2015 10:48:54 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
On the one hand, if you are recruiting California, Florida, or Texas, play some games there.

On the other hand, if the money is close, play where your fans can show up, like MI, IN, IL, WV, PA, NC, KY, etc.






But if we never play in Cali how will Monroe ever see that we've employed 2-back sets?
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   Posted: 2/27/2015 10:52:22 AM 
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colobobcat66 wrote:
+1
But there are those that see no difference between Minnesota and USC.
And we're playing non payday away games at places like Idaho, New Mexico State and Wyoming and we're talking about long trips being a problem.


If the money's equal, I do see a difference. Yes, there's less prestige in Minnesota's program than USC's, but you're also more likely to pull an upset at Minnesota than you are at USC.

Don't get me wrong -- if USC came to us with a hole in their schedule and $1 million to fill it, I think it'd be great. I just don't think it's any kind of accomplishment for any program to be a schedule-filling mid-major. It's simply a reality of the current landscape. Winning those games is an entirely different matter.

Put a different way: Should we envy UC Davis' program because they got to play Stanford last year?


It's an interesting Catch 22. On one hand Ohio plays Minnesota and most likely will have a better chance at winning, given the recent Minnesota history and the payday might be somewhat smaller. On the other, you go to USC, get a fat payday and some fun in the sun and get your name out there for recruits, but you might get beat by 50. Of course the roles could be flipped depending on how good USC and Minnesota are.

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I've learned to lower my expectations. When Frank was hired I was thinking that the he would win a few MACCs and then from there move on to playing in a major bowl. After 11 years of Frank I just think this program maxes out at a MAC title. Its not that that its necessarily a bad thing when there is only 10 conferences in FBS but we don't play the kind of schedule here that it takes to reach a major bowl. Frank has walked into a school with minimal football culture and its taken 10 years to build a football culture to the point where this program can go out and get the 10-12 3* recruits needed to compete with the strong teams. In this consideration, the schedule strength for Ohio is a moot point.

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colobobcat66 wrote:

We are in Athens and playing in Peden Stadium. Unless Apple moves their headquarters here and Phil Knight decides that he's been supporting the wrong OU/UO, we are who we are. The attendance(with mid week games) and ticket prices are fairly much stuck where they are.


When the next coach comes into Athens, I think you'll see a different approach to the schedule. By that point in time Ohio will have the academic center and a weight room upgrade. The next coach could have good Florida recruiting ties and want to get Florida State and Florida on the schedule. That is what Louisville did to build their program. They played Florida State and Miami and was also able to pull off some wins. They married themselves to the excitement surrounding those programs. Playing Kentucky, Tennessee and Minnesota is not going to attract attention for our program. I'd rather schedule Kansas State, Oklahoma and TCU. There is a lot of momentum in the Big XII right now like there is in the PAC-12. Boise State married themselves to the rise of Oregon and Oregon State. ACC schools are closer to Athens but its full of programs of the past like Syracuse and Pitt and schools that aren't pay day worthy. I think excitement is more important than regionalization when it comes to schedule. When you are going against Kentucky, Tennessee, Marshall and then you bring in an FCS school from North Carolina for parents weekend its a very mid-south orientation. That is like the dead zone of the college football universe.

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Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:

We are in Athens and playing in Peden Stadium. Unless Apple moves their headquarters here and Phil Knight decides that he's been supporting the wrong OU/UO, we are who we are. The attendance(with mid week games) and ticket prices are fairly much stuck where they are.


When the next coach comes into Athens, I think you'll see a different approach to the schedule. By that point in time Ohio will have the academic center and a weight room upgrade. The next coach could have good Florida recruiting ties and want to get Florida State and Florida on the schedule. That is what Louisville did to build their program. They played Florida State and Miami and was also able to pull off some wins. They married themselves to the excitement surrounding those programs. Playing Kentucky, Tennessee and Minnesota is not going to attract attention for our program. I'd rather schedule Kansas State, Oklahoma and TCU. There is a lot of momentum in the Big XII right now like there is in the PAC-12. Boise State married themselves to the rise of Oregon and Oregon State. ACC schools are closer to Athens but its full of programs of the past like Syracuse and Pitt and schools that aren't pay day worthy. I think excitement is more important than regionalization when it comes to schedule. When you are going against Kentucky, Tennessee, Marshall and then you bring in an FCS school from North Carolina for parents weekend its a very mid-south orientation. That is like the dead zone of the college football universe.

I differ with you on K state versus Tennessee, regardless of K state recent successes, I still think playing Tenn makes more sense from publicity and closeness to fan base
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For those who worry about scheduling games where Ohio is recruiting, here is where Ohio has recruited Freshmen from the last three years:

Ohio - 34
Florida - 5
Michigan - 3
Georgia, Nebraska, Virginia, British Columbia - 2
WV, Missouri, S. Carolina, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Samoa - 1

Sorting a bit:
Ohio - 34
SEC Area (Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, S. Carolina, Missouri) - 10
B1G Area except Ohio (Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania) - 6
Outside the US (BC, Samoa) - 3
Big 12 Area (Oklahoma, WV) - 2
ACC Area (Virginia) - 1

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For those who worry about scheduling games where Ohio is recruiting, here is where Ohio has recruited Freshmen from the last three years:

Ohio - 34
Florida - 5
Michigan - 3
Georgia, Nebraska, Virginia, British Columbia - 2
WV, Missouri, S. Carolina, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Samoa - 1

Sorting a bit:
Ohio - 34
SEC Area (Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, S. Carolina, Missouri) - 10
B1G Area except Ohio (Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania) - 6
Outside the US (BC, Samoa) - 3
Big 12 Area (Oklahoma, WV) - 2
ACC Area (Virginia) - 1



I "get" the concept of playing where your recruits come from. But what about the sales pitch to the kid from Cleveland, Dayton, PA or Georgia that "once during your 4 years at Ohio you can expect a trip to USC/UCLA/Washington, etc. You don't think the guy in Kalamazoo is doing that? Isn't that what our B-Ball coaches have done when they sell the tournaments in Hawaii?

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gosh, I wish we could travel 4,600 miles across 3 time zones and back to lose a game and get beat up in week 1.

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I "get" the concept of playing where your recruits come from. But what about the sales pitch to the kid from Cleveland, Dayton, PA or Georgia that "once during your 4 years at Ohio you can expect a trip to USC/UCLA/Washington, etc. You don't think the guy in Kalamazoo is doing that? Isn't that what our B-Ball coaches have done when they sell the tournaments in Hawaii?

That's where the bowl game comes in. Win games, and earn a trip to Bermuda....

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