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General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/11/2015 5:29:54 PM  Previously there was supposed to be a big jump in 2016 in the academic requirements to be eligible to play college sports: http://tinyurl.com/n25ozlp With the new release, the academic limits, including the sliding scale, will go unchanged, however, for those with grades at the lower end of the scale, they will be required to redshirt their first year: http://tinyurl.com/ndwm4k4 “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,405 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/12/2015 11:44:31 AM  I'm wondering if this will be a precursor to allowing more kids who are non-qualifiers to go to the school of their choice. If they are required to redshirt that first year, then qualifying shouldn't become much of a problem. In other words, maybe a school says "come redshirt with us for a year to get your grades up, then we'll get you on the field." If it eventually comes to something like that, the JUCO system might take a hit. Last Edited: 2/12/2015 11:46:28 AM by GoCats105 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/12/2015 12:43:10 PM  If the previously announced higher standards had gone into effect, there would have been a big growth in the JUCO system, since even more kids would have ended up there. What this change did was basically to preserve the status quo as far as the size of the JUCO system, and who goes there, but it also raises academic standards, too, in a less direct way. Kids that got in before will still get in, and kids that went to JUCO before will still need to go to JUCO. The difference is that a portion of those that get in will no longer have the option of playing as a Freshman because it raises the academic requirement necessary to actually play. Last Edited: 2/12/2015 12:53:51 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,058 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/12/2015 5:43:38 PM  GoCats105 wrote: I'm wondering if this will be a precursor to allowing more kids who are non-qualifiers to go to the school of their choice. If they are required to redshirt that first year, then qualifying shouldn't become much of a problem. In other words, maybe a school says "come redshirt with us for a year to get your grades up, then we'll get you on the field." If it eventually comes to something like that, the JUCO system might take a hit. Especially when the Greedy 5 increase scholarships limits. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,661 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/12/2015 6:49:27 PM  Increasing scholarship limits causes all kind of Title IX problems and from what I've been told by those more knowledgeable then I on the topic, it's not likely to happen. Also, the weak sisters of the Snob5 might raise a howl, because they don't want Alabama, O$U, Texas, etc. hording all of the good players, either. The Northwesterns of the P5 still want an occasional shot at conference title. Raising the scholarship limits makes that less and less likely. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,458 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/13/2015 10:12:33 AM  Is there a need to ever have more than 85 scholarship players? It's not like this concept is borne out of necessity. It's absolutely nothing more than a power grab, and it's designed to take advantage of the naivete of high schoolers who may never see the field at Bama or LSU. It's designed not to provide them opportunity, it's just merely to keep them off the field at a competitor. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,482 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/13/2015 10:50:00 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: ,,, it's just merely to keep them off the field at a competitor. Not entirely. The one problem I see with the current limits of 85 total, 25 per year is that those two numbers don't go together. With about half the players ending up in school for 5 years, in theory if you took 25 a year you'd end up with 112 on scholarship. Of course you lose some to attrition (injuries, transfers, academics, etc), but you also add some due to walkons. Using some JUCOs also reduces the number. The result is that the 85 limit, combined with the 25 per year limit encourages schools to encourage attrition, meaning suggesting to a player that he transfer. They oversign, then encourage players to leave that don't look like future starters. I don't think that's a good thing. I think that if he wants to transfer, fine, but if not, he shouldn't be pushed into it. One way to address this would be to increase the cap from 85. A better way would be to reduce the number that they can give out per year from 25, to perhaps 22. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,058 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/13/2015 1:04:27 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Increasing scholarship limits causes all kind of Title IX problems and from what I've been told by those more knowledgeable then I on the topic, it's not likely to happen. Also, the weak sisters of the Snob5 might raise a howl, because they don't want Alabama, O$U, Texas, etc. hording all of the good players, either. The Northwesterns of the P5 still want an occasional shot at conference title. Raising the scholarship limits makes that less and less likely. I don't think the Greedy 5 don't care what happens to the weak sisters. And, the Greedy 5 will have enough money to either hide Title IX issues or add women's opportunities to take care of it. Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Is there a need to ever have more than 85 scholarship players? It's not like this concept is borne out of necessity. It's absolutely nothing more than a power grab, and it's designed to take advantage of the naivete of high schoolers who may never see the field at Bama or LSU. It's designed not to provide them opportunity, it's just merely to keep them off the field at a competitor. The Greedy 5 request Deciduous Forest Cat's post be deleted..... Nothing to see here.... Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/13/2015 1:58:41 PM  Since it's a matter of time before the P5 get their scholarship limits increased, here's an idea: make it optional, but for any school that opts into the increased limits, all players must redshirt their freshman year. The trade-off is the other schools may then be more attractive to more skilled freshmen, since they could see playing time a year earlier than at the opting-in schools. That's a year earlier on the field, and an extra year to impress pro scouts. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,546 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/13/2015 8:39:50 PM  Ohio69 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Increasing scholarship limits causes all kind of Title IX problems and from what I've been told by those more knowledgeable then I on the topic, it's not likely to happen. Also, the weak sisters of the Snob5 might raise a howl, because they don't want Alabama, O$U, Texas, etc. hording all of the good players, either. The Northwesterns of the P5 still want an occasional shot at conference title. Raising the scholarship limits makes that less and less likely. I don't think the Greedy 5 don't care what happens to the weak sisters. And, the Greedy 5 will have enough money to either hide Title IX issues or add women's opportunities to take care of it. I think you misunderstood him. Even among the Power 5, the Northwesterns and Texas Techs of the group still have more votes than the very top teams. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,661 Status: Offline     RE: NCAA Adds "Academic Redshirt" Rule    Posted: 2/13/2015 9:51:27 PM  JSF wrote: Ohio69 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Increasing scholarship limits causes all kind of Title IX problems and from what I've been told by those more knowledgeable then I on the topic, it's not likely to happen. Also, the weak sisters of the Snob5 might raise a howl, because they don't want Alabama, O$U, Texas, etc. hording all of the good players, either. The Northwesterns of the P5 still want an occasional shot at conference title. Raising the scholarship limits makes that less and less likely. I don't think the Greedy 5 don't care what happens to the weak sisters. And, the Greedy 5 will have enough money to either hide Title IX issues or add women's opportunities to take care of it. I think you misunderstood him. Even among the Power 5, the Northwesterns and Texas Techs of the group still have more votes than the very top teams. Thanks for "clarifying" my remarks. It's a new role for you. ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. 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