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Topic: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

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colobobcat66
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4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 10:19:01 AM

According to ESPN, I see that 4 more cities have applied to add bowl games this upcoming season. Three games would be affiliated with the American Athletic Conference, giving them 9 places to fill from 12 teams. None have any affiliation with the MAC as far as I can tell. If this latest bunch is approved, I am doubting that you will be able to find 84 teams with 6-6 or better records. This could get really interesting if you can call it that.

Last Edited: 4/4/2015 10:22:43 AM by colobobcat66

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 10:50:59 AM

Just cheapens the significance of getting a bowl bid. If you have two 6-6 teams -- or even a 5-7 team -- playing, who's going to watch and who's going to pay $40 or more per seat to be there? It's also an example of AAC's over-valuing of its product. Counting Navy, which comes in this year, only seven AAC teams were bowl eligible last year, and that's probably the best they could hope for in a given year. And Navy has its own bowl tie-ins, so they'll need at least ten bowl-eligible teams per year. Ain't gonna happen; SEC barely has enough to fill its ten slots with 14 teams. We can't blame this on ESPN for a change; they say they're not interested. It'll be Fox, NBCSN and CBSSN. It does give the MAC some opportunities for at least secondary tie-ins. The NCAA might be looking at the probability that some current bowls will fail, but it's still pretty much a joke.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 11:11:14 AM

I don't see that a few more bowls cheapens it any more than it already is. What it does do is even up the table a little, and may avoid the situation of teams being bowl eligible and not getting in. If there are 71 bowl eligible teams, and 70 get invited, the one team that doesn't get to go feels shafted. It was no doubt better when, if 70 teams are eligible 50 were invited, and the other 20 had plenty of company.

The plus side of this is that, with the games on channels other than ESPN, it breaks things up a bit. Some of these games might get some decent start times.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 3:17:03 PM

#moreirrelevantwhatever

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 6:35:10 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

#moreirrelevantwhatever

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Thanks for that keen insight, Monroe.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 6:53:56 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

#moreirrelevantwhatever

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Thanks for that keen insight, Monroe.

Some folks appreciate posters who post what many of us are thinking but are reluctant to post. By and large, other than a very few bowls, the rest are irrelevant and nothing more than programming to fill a time slot to sell advertising.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 7:06:58 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

#moreirrelevantwhatever

WIN A MAC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Thanks for that keen insight, Monroe.

Thanks for your keen insight on Monroe's keen insight! ;-)

[Perhaps we could build one of those little pyramids of response to response to response, etc., that Monroe used to be so fond of. It might make a kind of a monument MACC Frustration.]

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 8:18:02 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

#moreirrelevantwhatever

WIN A MAC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Thanks for that keen insight, Monroe.

I had the chance to attend the Independence Bowl. We, wife and I, scheduled time for about 3/4 of the events and I had the time of my life. I saw the Ohio players/band/family members thoroughly enjoying themselves. I met the Thompson and the Branz families who were very high on Ohio. I saw the 110 and finally understood what all the fuss was about. The Independence Bowl was worth every penny for me and I saw Ohio at it's best. I hope the players get back to bowling for them and how some fans might feel is "irrelevant" to me.

Last Edited: 4/4/2015 8:38:42 PM by Bcat2

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 8:31:21 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

#moreirrelevantwhatever

WIN A MAC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Thanks for that keen insight, Monroe.

OK, guys and gals, you know how this is done. I think each post should be a snarky comment of some kind. I'll start out: Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho . . . this no MACC stuff has got to go!

Last Edited: 4/4/2015 9:08:54 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 10:23:07 PM

The proliferation of bowls is problematic in my opinion. I just don't see how we can keep justifying this.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 10:33:48 PM

It is out of control. But I guess this proves there is still TV money to be made even in the most meaningless and sparsely attended game possible.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 11:02:51 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

#moreirrelevantwhatever

WIN A MAC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Thanks for that keen insight, Monroe.

Since at the time Monroe posted, it was just friendly chatter about current events (new bowls), I took his post to mean "friendly chatter will not be allowed anymore about anything until such time as Ohio wins a Mac championship". Did you take it differently?

Jeff McKinney wrote:

The proliferation of bowls is problematic in my opinion. I just don't see how we can keep justifying this.

Problematic for whom? Who benefits? Who loses? The people involved:
1. Cities - I don't see that these cities for marginal bowls attract a lot of visitors to their cities, and they certainly incur an expense in hosting them. To me, they are the losers. Yet, for some reason, from the news in the first post, it is these types of cities that are pushing for these new bowls? Why?
2. Schools - They incur a small loss from going to the bowl, but get a lot of publicity in the process. They would seem to be winners.
3. Player/Coaches - This gives them extra practices, and some fun. If they didn't enjoy the bowls, they wouldn't go, so I would say they must think it is a good thing.
4. Programs - It helps a programs reputation and recruiting, so its a benefit. How big, I don't know, but certainly a benefit.
5. Families of players - They certainly enjoy the trips
6. Fans - They have no obligation to tune in, or go, or pay any attention to these games. If they do, I presume it is because they enjoy them.
7. Networks - They games fill holiday air time, but the fact that ESPN wasn't interested in these games shows that they are reaching the point of diminishing returns. Thus, they may be losers if they take more games.

In the end, I don't see much benefit to more bowl games, but conversely I don't see any losers that are being harmed. Therefore it doesn't surprise me that the number of bowls continues to expand. We are now reaching the point at which all bowl eligible teams will have a bowl, so, can it expand any more? I think the trend to more bowls has gone as far as it can go.

Last Edited: 4/4/2015 11:04:07 PM by L.C.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 11:20:05 PM

Little Rock and Tuscon sound good since those stadiums are 50,000 seats and in new markets for a bowl game. A third Orlando game is too many and the Austin proposal to either play at the University of Texas home stadium or a local arena doesn't sound attractive either way.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 11:36:46 PM

L.C. wrote:

7. Networks - They games fill holiday air time, but the fact that ESPN wasn't interested in these games shows that they are reaching the point of diminishing returns. Thus, they may be losers if they take more games.

In the end, I don't see much benefit to more bowl games, but conversely I don't see any losers that are being harmed. Therefore it doesn't surprise me that the number of bowls continues to expand. We are now reaching the point at which all bowl eligible teams will have a bowl, so, can it expand any more? I think the trend to more bowls has gone as far as it can go.

ESPN is staying away not because of interest but they've got a limited number of broadcast windows to put all of their bowls on. I mean you can't have a bowl at 10 EST on December 15th and make it work. So conferences have to turn to other broadcast networks and it may also explain why the MAC is not involved as a host since the MAC is married to ESPN. Personally I hope some of the games don't get improved and other weak games go under to roll back the number of games and require 7 wins. Doubt it will happen.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/5/2015 3:49:57 AM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

#moreirrelevantwhatever

WIN A MAC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Thanks for that keen insight, Monroe.

The next time that anyone anywhere cares about one of your posts will be the first.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/5/2015 8:01:44 AM

I imagine I may live to see the day that the NCAA Hoops tournament goes to 128 teams.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/5/2015 8:15:52 AM

This kind of reminds me of the so called one and done rule. Just like there is no law stating anyone has to go to college for a year, those who watch bowl games also have a choice. If an athlete doesn't want to go to school , don't go. If you don't want to watch the bowl games, don't watch.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/5/2015 3:50:20 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

#moreirrelevantwhatever

WIN A MAC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Thanks for that keen insight, Monroe.

The next time that anyone anywhere cares about one of your posts will be the first.

That's why I'm so complimentary of your poignant, unique, always on-topic insights. They're not repetitive at all and its not the least bit annoying. By all means, keep sharing!

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/6/2015 3:50:50 PM

If the fear is dilution then cut back to 10 or 15 bowls. IMO, the current setup where 3 or 4 eligible teams stay home and who does stay is basically random and not merit based is stupid especially when extra practices are involved.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/7/2015 10:23:53 AM

What's more interesting is the names of these four new bowls:

The Rolling Stone Journalistic Integrity Bowl -- Virginia

The Port-a-John Bowl -- Wrigley Field

The Roscoe P. Coltrane Memorial Bowl -- Hazzard County

The BobcatAttack.com Bowl -- Athens, Ohio

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/7/2015 10:32:29 AM

I thought the full name of the bowl in Athens, to be played Jan 3, preferred weather cold and snowy, was:

The Quidel Rapid Flu Diagnostic Kit BobcatAttack.com Bowl

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/7/2015 11:02:21 AM

The season has basically just become 13 games instead of 12. What's the big deal. Most of the bowls have had decreasing attendence for years. It's all about TV anyway, so just enjoy the ride from your couch if you're interested, if not, watch the Home and Garden channel or whatever you usually watch.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/7/2015 12:12:07 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

The BobcatAttack.com Bowl -- Athens, Ohio

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/7/2015 12:35:01 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

The season has basically just become 13 games instead of 12. What's the big deal.

The big deal is the money that G5 schools will spend on travel and unsold tickets that eats into budgets. Even some of the bigger schools don't break even on bowl games.

Since we're headed toward 64 bowls where all 1A teams get a bid, why not just add a week to the regular season instead. (I presume at some point we'll get back up to 128 1A teams.) Cuts down on travel, gives 64 teams another home game to make some cash and maybe there'll be more slots open for G5 schools to beat "P"5 schools.

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RE: 4 MORE BOWL GAMES ?

Posted: 4/7/2015 1:27:44 PM

Pataskala wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

The season has basically just become 13 games instead of 12. What's the big deal.

I don't really have a problem with much of what you say. That would be okay with me. However, we do seem to be stuck with the bowl thing, so I don't see that happening. If they would do as you say, the P5 would probably be the ones having more home games and making more money, but the G5 would have bigger paydays than the current bowl setup gives.

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