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All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 11:06:09 AM

OHIO showing on the all-MAC teams pretty much reflects the mediocre season. I do expect, though, that we'll do very well next year with all the returning experience.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 11:07:33 AM

2014 MAC Specialty Award Winners
Coach of the Year: P.J. Fleck, Western Michigan
Freshman of the Year: RB Jarvion Franklin, Western Michigan
Offensive Player of the Year: RB Jarvion Franklin, Western Michigan
Defensive Player of the Year: DB Quinten Rollins, Miami
Special Teams Player of the Year: K Scott Secor, Ball State
Vern Smith Leadership Award Winner: OL Greg Mancz, Toledo

2014 FIRST TEAM ALL-MAC

2014 All-MAC First Team Offense
Position � Name - School
Quarterback � Blake Frohnapfel, UMass
Offensive Linemen � Greg Mancz, Toledo @!
Offensive Linemen � Nick Beamish, Central Michigan
Offensive Linemen � Andy Phillips, Central Michigan @
Offensive Linemen � Andrew Ness, Northern Illinois
Offensive Lineman � Tyler Loos, Northern Illinois ^+
Tight End � Jean Sifrin, UMass
Wide Receiver � Tajae Sharpe, UMass
Wide Receiver � Titus Davis, Central Michigan ^+%
Wide Receiver � Corey Davis, Western Michigan @
Wide Receiver � Roger Lewis, Bowling Green
Running Back � Jarvion Franklin, Western Michigan
Running Back � Kareem Hunt, Toledo
Placekicker � Scott Secor, Ball State #

2014 All-MAC First Team Defense
Position � Name - School
Outside Linebacker � Jatavis Brown, Akron ^
Outside Linebacker � Junior Sylvestre, Toledo ^
Inside Linebacker � Justin Cherocci, Central Michigan #
Inside Linebacker � Jovan Santos-Knox, UMass
Down Lineman � Jason Meehan, Northern Illinois
Down Lineman � Leterrius Walton, Central Michigan
Down Lineman � Pat O'Connor, Eastern Michigan
Down Lineman � Cody Grice, Akron
Defensive Back � Quinten Rollins, Miami
Defensive Back � Nate Holley, Kent State
Defensive Back � Donald Celiscar, Western Michigan #
Defensive Back � Paris Logan, Northern Illinois
Punter � Anthony Melchiori, Kent State @

2014 All-MAC First Team Specialists
Position � Name - School
Kickoff Return Specialist � Eric Patterson, Ball State
Punt Return Specialist �Ryan Burbrink, Bowling Green @

2014 SECOND TEAM ALL-MAC

2014 All-MAC Second Team Offense
Position � Name - School
Quarterback � Zach Terrell, Western Michigan
Offensive Lineman � Alex Huettel, Bowling Green @
Offensive Lineman � Willie Beavers, Western Michigan
Offensive Lineman � Josh Hendershot, Toledo
Offensive Lineman � Jake Silas, Buffalo
Offensive Lineman � Jeff Myers, Toledo #
Tight End � Casey Pierce, Kent State
Wide Receiver � Da'Ron Brown, Northern Illinois @
Wide Receiver � David Frazier, Miami
Wide Receiver � Corey Jones, Toledo
Wide Receiver � Jordan Williams, Ball State #
Running Back � Anthone Taylor, Buffalo
Running Back � Thomas Rawls, Central Michigan
Placekicker � Jeremiah Detmer, Toledo ^!

2014 All-MAC Second Team Defense
Position � Name - School
Outside Linebacker � Gabe Martin, Bowling Green @&
Outside Linebacker � Adam Redden, Buffalo #
Inside Linebacker � Boomer Mays, Northern Illinois
Inside Linebacker � Great Ibe, Eastern Michigan
Down Lineman � Orion Jones, Toledo
Down Lineman � Treyvon Hester, Toledo #
Down Lineman � Nordly Capi, Akron
Down Lineman � Perez Ford, Northern Illinois
Defensive Back � Randall Jette, UMass
Defensive Back � Nick Johnson, Bowling Green
Defensive Back � Jordan Haden, Toledo
Defensive Back � Dechane Durante, Northern Illinois #
Punter � Zach Paul, Akron #

2014 All-MAC Second Team Specialists
Position � Name - School
Kickoff Return Specialist � Devin Campbell, Buffalo
Punt Return Specialist � Daz Patterson, Ohio

2014 THIRD TEAM ALL-MAC

2014 All-MAC Third Team Offense
Position � Name - School
Quarterback � Andrew Hendrix, Miami
Offensive Lineman � James Kristof, Western Michigan
Offensive Lineman � Lucas Powell, Ohio
Offensive Lineman � Jake Richard, Ball State #
Offensive Lineman � Andre Davis, Buffalo
Offensive Lineman � Zach Lewis, Miami
Tight End � Tyreese Russell, Eastern Michigan @
Wide Receiver � Daniel Braverman, Western Michigan
Wide Receiver � Alonzo Russell, Toledo #!
Wide Receiver � Ron Willoughby, Buffalo
Wide Receiver � KeVonn Mabon, Ball State
Running Back � Cameron Stingily, Northern Illinois
Running Back � Jahwan Edwards, Ball State @!
Placekicker � Tyler Tate, Bowling Green

2014 All-MAC Third Team Defense
Position � Name - School
Outside Linebacker � Jovon Johnson, Ohio
Outside Linebacker � Rasheen Lemon, Northern Illinois
Inside Linebacker � Stanley Andre, UMass
Inside Linebacker � Lee Skinner, Buffalo
Down Lineman � Bryan Thomas, Bowling Green
Down Lineman � Tarell Basham, Ohio
Down Lineman � Joe Ostman, Central Michigan
Down Lineman � Darnell Smith, Ball State
Defensive Back � Eric Patterson, Ball State
Defensive Back � Tony Annese, Central Michigan
Defensive Back � Ronald Zamort, Western Michigan
Defensive Back � Justin Currie, Western Michigan
Punter � J. Schroeder, Western Michigan

2014 All-MAC Third Team Specialists
Position � Name - School
Kickoff Return Specialist � Darius Phillips, Western Michigan
Punt Return Specialist � Fred McRae, Miami

^ 2013 First-Team All-MAC
@ 2013 Second-Team All-MAC
# 2013 Third-Team All-MAC

& 2012 First-Team All-MAC
+ 2012 Second-Team All-MAC
! 2012 Third-Team All-MAC

% 2011 Third-Team All-MAC

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 11:38:21 AM

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 11:50:49 AM

Daz Patterson on 2nd Team All-MAC for Punt Returner? For all the talk on this board about his terrible fielding and fumble concerns, I guess the conference didn't really notice.

Totally agree with the POY choice. Franklin was a monster in his freshman campaign. He scored at least one TD in every game but one, against EMU where he barely touched the ball. He scored three TDs six times.

It's too bad that Kareem Hunt was injured in the middle of the season, or else he probably would have won it. He ran over 100 yards in every game and averaged 7.9 per carry.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 12:45:20 PM

So this is the third straight season without Ohio having any position player on the all-MAC first team.

And no one from Ohio on the first or second team this season?

This really showcases Frank's coaching abilities if he's able to win half of conference games without having any of the best players at any of the offensive or defensive positions for the past three years.

On the other hand, wouldn't you expect more return out of the recruiting, especially given all of the ESPN games, the stability of the coaching staff, bowl game streak, the win over Penn St., etc.?

And I'm not buying that NIU, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Toledo have better facilities/locations as the advantage over Ohio.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 1:23:22 PM

Our coaches/Athletic department have not done a very good job of "selling" our players to the conference. They never really have.

We had the second best defense w.r.t yards/game and the fifth best for scoring. The fact that we gave up a low number of yards/game with our crappy offense is a testament to how great the defense actually was! And yet no Ohio guy shows up until the 3'rd team? I do not believe for one second that there are four OLB's in the MAC better than Jovon Johnson.

And no Ian Wells? Sure, he didn't have any picks but he's a lock-down corner. But somehow Bass was deserving last year?

Ok, nm, this whole thing is stupid!

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 1:38:39 PM

Poling not getting some recognition is a little baffling. All he did was lead the MAC in sacks by linebackers. And as Paul said, Johnson should be higher on the list too. I wouldn't trade him for any other OLB in the conference.

Other than that, I don't think we had any snubs. Maaaaaaybe Bonnstetter or Wells. Maybe.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 1:53:16 PM

Total All-MAC Selections:

1. Toledo - 11
Western Michigan - 11
3. Northern Illinois - 10
4. Central Michigan - 8
Ball State - 8
6. Bowling Green - 7
Buffalo - 7
8. UMass - 6
9. Miami - 5
10. OHIO - 4
Akron - 4
12. Kent St. - 3
Eastern Michigan - 3

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 1:54:34 PM

C Money wrote:

Agreed. Expected to see Poling. Wells came on strong late so that might have hurt him in voting. Very happy with Poling/Brown/Johnson at LB with Russell coming back from injury next season.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 2:07:27 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

On the other hand, wouldn't you expect more return out of the recruiting, especially given all of the ESPN games, the stability of the coaching staff, bowl game streak, the win over Penn St., etc.?

LC has quantified it elsewhere better than I but part of this is the 2010 recruiting class. The classes since then have been pretty solid. The class of 2014 is looking like it could be a very good one. We've seen Ouellette, Walker, Pruehs, Lowery, McCray and Nelson earn good PT while White, Brunis, Langenkamp all showed well before injury.

The names in green below are what's left from that announced class and Carpenter missed most of the year with injury.

2010 Ohio Football Recruiting Class

Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Hometown/Last School

Kenny Ashley RB 5’7 1/2 230 Los Angeles, Ca/Venice HS/El Camino College

Brandon Atwell WR 6’2 1/2 191 Wytheville, Va./Wytheville George Wythe HS

Nathan Carpenter S 5’10 200 Lancaster, Ohio/Lancaster HS

Chase Cochran WR 6’2 1/4 169 Lebanon, Ohio/Lebanon HS

Bryce Dietz OL 6’5 3/4 300 Lincoln, Neb./Lincoln North Star HS

Anthony Grady, Jr. LB 6’1 1/4 200 Woodbridge, Va./C.D. Hylton HS

Thad Ingol S 6’0 3/4 190 Barberton, Ohio/Barberton HS

Blake Jones LB 5’11 3/4 221 Mechanicsville, Va./Hanover HS

Kyle Kozak DL 6’5 245 Pickerington, Ohio/Pickerington Central HS/Hargrave Military Academy/Indiana

Octavius Leftwich CB 6’1 190 Madison, Ala./Freedom Academy/El Camino College

Omar Leftwich CB 6’1 190 Huntsville, Ala./Freedom Academy/Fort Scott CC

Joe Morales LB 5’11 3/4 230 South El Monte, Ca./St. Paul Cath. HS/Fullerton Coll.

John Prior OL 6’6 283 Portsmouth, Ohio/Portsmouth HS/Florida State

Mark Smith OL 6’3 275 Sarasota, Fla./Cardinal Mooney HS

Kyle Snyder QB 6’0 3/4 206 Barberton, Ohio/Barberton HS

Joe Stefanski LB 6’2 220 Rockford, Michigan/Rockford HS

Jamaal Tarrent DL 6’2 1/4 272 Toledo, Ohio/Toledo Central Catholic HS

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 2:32:07 PM

Thanks for that list. I know HS recruits really are hit or miss, but when only 17% of the recruits in your entire class are still with the team -- and it's not because they've been beaten out by underclassmen -- that's a really poor reflection on the recruiting program, isn't it?

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 2:36:34 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

...Ok, nm, this whole thing is stupid!

That's why I consider the question of who gets to sign FA contracts a better indicator than "All-MAC".

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 2:38:36 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

For that year, absolutely. If you start checking subsequent classes, I think you see a good yield from each year. But the 2010 class helps to explain some of this year's performance.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 2:54:12 PM

Really shouldn't look into these absurd All MAC selections. These things are based more on politics more than merit.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 3:02:42 PM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Really shouldn't look into these absurd All MAC selections. These things are based more on politics more than merit.

But...I do think our group should be doing more to call attention to the players that deserve it, like Johnson or Poling. Like it or not, everyone who cares about the MAC reads these things.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 3:33:09 PM

UMass has more All-MAC 1st teamers than wins.

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Posted: 12/3/2014 4:16:46 PM

Just an indication that our recruiting is NOT what it needs to be. Then again, the whole EAST sucks! And, seriously, 10 years into building a program and we have to put 8-9-10 Frosh on the field? You build programs and win with 5th year seniors. This group will be 4 and done. Not ideal, especially after 10 years.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 4:53:43 PM

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I believe the truth is changing. Time honored wisdom was that at least on the line freshmen would not be ready to compete. Now high school lifting programs are producing RBs who bench 400+. The three freshmen OL that made significant contributions did so reflecting the high quality of recent recruiting. That can only be good. There were still some fine recruits who did redshirt. That can only be good. Again, looking at Ohio and WMU, honored wisdom is changing. Also Russell and Wood will now receive an extra year if they wish. That is good. When you bring in freshmen who are good enough to make the two deep, they play. That is the new wisdom.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 5:28:46 PM

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The recruiting situation was in transition at the time. There were different recruiting coordinators in 2009, 2010, and 2011, and it seems that each time you change them, the recruiting takes a step back. When Germano was here, the classes got better each year from 2005 to 2009. Under Haines the classes have been better each year since 2011.

The other particular problem with that class is that injuries and transfers took a toll. Dietz and Smith were starters on the offensive line early in their careers, but had career ending injuries. Kyle Snyder probably would have been the starting QB this year, but when TT became a star as a Sophomore in 2011, Snyder decided he didn't want to wait until his 5th year to be a starter. Even then, in retrospect, this was not a good class. You'd really like to see over 50% of the class playing as a Senior.

Some prior classes:
2005 76%
2006 55%
2007 51%
2008 75%
2009 74%
2010 31% (I count only freshmen, not jucos)
2011 50%
2012 71%
2013 >72% (that many are already playing)
2014 >>55% (already playing)

That brings us back to a point I've made before. What we have been seeing is not a "glass ceiling", but a recruiting hole. The effect of the recruiting hole was magnified by the extensive injuries in 2012, and the subsequent internal issues in 2013.

Last Edited: 12/3/2014 5:35:19 PM by L.C.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 5:31:55 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

... When you bring in freshmen who are good enough to make the two deep, they play. That is the new wisdom.

It is also true that most of the players that have ultimately been drafted at Ohio did not redshirt. I think Herman did, but none of the others did. Players that were that good all got on the field as a true freshman. It wouldn't surprise me if a couple of the ten that played this year end up getting drafted.

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Posted: 12/3/2014 6:59:00 PM

Maybe. No doubt this is all opinion (both the teams and all of our reaction to the choices).

When we were going to the MAC title game, didn't we do fairly well in placing guys on the All-MAC teams? Was anyone saying then that this is a bunch of rubbish?

Admittedly, the selection process is not scientific.

But to totally blow it off...to not take it as something of an indication of the status of our program... Look, you can dislike what I keep saying all that you want. But you might want to think about it.

Someone posted that Solich is one of the best coaches in the nation. Again, this is all opinion, but try this. Call up sports talk radio and see what kind of reception that thought gets.

I don't think that the people who voted here purposefully overlooked OHIO. I assume that most of them were reasonably honest in their assessments. Again, think about it.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 8:11:42 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

Total All-MAC Selections:
.....

If you do a weighting based on 1st team (3 pts), 2d team (2 pts), 3rd team (1 pt), plus an extra point for overall honors (player of the year, etc), the picture looks somewhat different:

Toledo 25
NIU 22
CMU 19
WMU 17
UMass 15
Ball St 14
BG 11
Buffalo 11
Miami 9
Akron 8
Kent 8
EMU 6
Ohio 5

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Posted: 12/3/2014 8:17:20 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

...When we were going to the MAC title game, didn't we do fairly well in placing guys on the All-MAC teams? Was anyone saying then that this is a bunch of rubbish?...

We had this very discussion in a thread not so long ago, well before the teams were announced, and my answer then was the same as it is now. I believe that the best indicator of the real talent of these players is whether they get any interest at the next level. (Drafted, FA contract, Tryout)

Even though I don't think these are as accurate, they aren't that far off, either. They exactly agree with what I believe, that Ohio has a very young team, and therefore less current talent than any other MAC team. Nevertheless, Ohio usually wins when the talent is equal, or only at a slight disadvantage, so they managed to win 4, and were very competitive with NIU, and were competitive with BG for the last 59 minutes.

Does Ohio have young talent on it's team that will, in time, be "all-MAC"? I certainly think so. For example, Poling is only a Freshman. By the time he's a Senior, he'll no doubt be much better than he is today, and I'm confident he'll be All-MAC at least once along the way, and he's just one of many Freshmen and Sophomores that have clear potential.

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RE: All-MAC teams

Posted: 12/3/2014 8:41:16 PM

L.C. wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Total All-MAC Selections:
.....

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Posted: 12/3/2014 9:57:25 PM

Monroe was right, oh that hurt. He made a correlation between Ohio's East title seasons and their most recognition on All MAC teams. Division tile teams get recognized period. Well we all know how Ohio rotates personnel, to the point of distraction of some. Ohio shares the ball more than any other team. During a down season it is very unlikely anyone will have the raw stats to draw recognition.

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