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General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,478 Status: Offline     Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/20/2015 6:48:58 PM  Since we're talking football, here is more or less what I'm expecting for this fall, a too-early look at the fall on a position by position basis: OFFENSE Offensive line - Last year all the pundits agreed that Ohio had one of the least experienced offensive lines in the country. This fall they return not only every starter, but every person that played (unless Bubba Williams played a few snaps that I'm not aware of). In addition they will return a couple guys that didn't play, or didn't play much, due to injury (Gibbons and Wood), and also add in a couple JUCOs. With everyone having a year more experience and maturity, this should be a very good offensive line, probably not quite up to the levels of 2011-2012, but very good. Receivers - There is a lot of talent at receiver, but it is still young. There will be no Seniors anywhere on the 2-deep at WR or TE. They should be effective this year, but they will really shine in 2016. QB/RB - If Vick stays healthy, QB should not be a problem, but I continue to hope one of the backups improves a lot, just in case something happens again. At RB Ohio should be solid, with AJ back, plus Irons fighting for time, and hopefully Dorian Brown losing his fumble problems, and showing what he can really do, which I believe is a lot. Daz will mix in as a change of pace player, and he can excel at that. Overall Offense - Last year's offense was not very good, but this year, with a much improved offensive line, it should look much better. I expect that Ohio will be able to push defenses back, and consistently gain yardage on the ground. That, will mean defenses can't do as CMU did last year, and defend Ohio with a nickle. Instead, they will have to load the box, which in turn will open up the play action passing game. (I expect a lot of TD passes to the tight ends again.) The net result won't be an offense as good as 2011, but it should be significantly better than last year. DEFENSE Defensive Line - One of the bright spots in last year's team was the defensive line. Unfortunately there are heavy losses there, and I expect that 2015's line won't be quite as good. How good the line turns out to be is difficult to predict because we'll see some players we haven't seen much of yet, Porter and Aloese. Players at DT will include Purdum, Tautuaiki, Porter and Aloese, plus perhaps Sayles or Kuhar. If the line is solid, this defense will be good. Linebackers - Last year the linebackers were good, but very young. They looked even better than they were because of the excellent DT play up front from Crutcher and McLeod who kept the OL away from them. This year they will be better and more experienced, but can the DTs keep the linemen away, and allow them to shine again? I think this is the best group of linebackers since 2006 (Tyler-Russ-Graham) or 2008 (Renfro-Brown-Keller), so I think they will be fine. Defensive Backs - It will be a defensive backfield loaded with Seniors (Bass, Wells, Layton, Carpenter, Jones), so this is a group that should make very few mistakes. There have been defensive backfields with more talent, but not ones with more experience. I think they will be very good this fall. Overall Defense - Overall, if they can solve the problems up front, and I think they can, this defense is going to kick some serious butt. I think the best defense overall that Ohio has put on the field under Burrow was the 2012 squad, before they got ripped apart with injuries. The defense that played Penn State was a great defense (no other team held Penn State to 14 that year). This defense has the capability of being as good as the pre-injury 2012 defense. TEAM AS A WHOLE - I really like what I see here. I see a balanced and strong defense that has the capability of getting a lot of 3 and outs, and I see an offense that, while not as dynamic as some of Ohio's past offenses, has the capability of punishing opposing defense with a strong running game and sustaining drives. Those two things go together very well. Take the ball away quickly, and then keep it a long time, and you wear the other team down. My prediction above just so happens to be exactly my favorite type of team. Some people like teams with a lot of flash and sizzle. I like teams with win by wearing the other team down. If things go as I expect, I am going to LOVE football this fall. In fact, when it's all over, this may be my favorite Bobcat team yet. SCHEDULE As I said in the other thread, the scheduling gods were not kind to Ohio this year. My prediction for the west is WMU, then NIU, Ball State, and Toledo, followed by CMU and EMU at the bottom. Ohio plays BG on the road, and the three top West teams, WMU, Ball State, and NIU. I think that the winner of the East this year will have 2 MAC losses, so, Ohio will need to either beat BG and one of the three West teams, or if they lose to BG, beat all three West teams. It's a tough road, but not an impossible one. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,478 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/20/2015 10:28:00 PM  By the way, for those that want a comparison to see how my forecast for last year turned out, here is that forecast: http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa... You will note that the tone is very different. As always, I hoped for the best, but much of my post is "they need to develop some depth" or "someone needs to step up" or "At some positions the need for improvement is pretty significant." Even a year ago I said "That's why I'm looking towards 2015 for the big improvement." Offense OL - My biggest miss was probably he offensive line, where I had hopes it would be better than it was. In particular I had hopes for players like Justin Haser (left the team), Zach Murdock (never played, may still be injured), Durrell Wood (out for the season), and Nic Gibbons (missed most of the season with injury). I would not have been nearly as optimistic if I had guessed that 3-4 true Freshmen would play on the offensive line in their places. Note my comment "you should NOT be playing Freshmen on the offensive line". TE - I said it would be down, and it was WR - I said it would be a step down, but not too big, and I think that was right RB - I never guessed that all the returning running backs would fumble, and we'd end up playing a true Freshman, nor that the true Freshman would do just fine QB - I'd say I had that right with "I think Vick will do fine, if he doesn't get hurt." Overall Offense - Because I was wrong on the offensive line, and because vick got hurt and missed much of the season, I was wrong on the offense as a whole. It was not on a par with 2013. It was definitely worse. Defense DE amd DT - I would say that I was correct. They were very good in 2014. LB - Like the offensive line, there were a substantial number of players that I expected to play that ended up gone from the team. Russell, Schany, and Wm. Johnson are all gone. The other three I mentioned, Blair Brown, Jovon Johnson, and Quentin Poling, all played surprisingly well, keeping me from missing. CB - I was about right, though Bass had more issues than I think anyone expected Nickle/Safety - Again, there were a lot of players that I expected to play who left the team or were hurt. Dyquan Stewart, Carpenter, Devin Jones, Blake Scipio, and Corey Quallen all missed most or all of the season, and Ingol and Kristoff missed time as well. That meant a lot more playing time for Aaron Macer and Toran Davis than I think anyone anticipated. Defense as a whole - I thought they had a chance to be modestly improved, and I think they were. Overall Forecast - My projection was for a small improvement from 2013. Instead it was slightly worse, dropping from 7-6 to 6-6. I think I was a little optimistic, but not overly so, and I think my miss was entirely on the offensive side. Feel free to judge my accuracy yourself. If I post it, it's there for posterity, and open to being judged on it's accuracy a year later. If I was afraid of being told I was wrong, I wouldn't post this stuff. Instead, I think it's a fun challenge trying to guess how things will work out, and then to come back later and look and see if I was right. A year from now, we can come back and judge the accuracy of my predictions for 2015. Also, feel free to make your own predictions, and we can judge those, too, when we come back. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,357 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/20/2015 11:37:22 PM  Good analysis, LC. I expect we'll get 7 to 9 wins this year, 10 or 11 with a few breaks, and should be in the hunt for the East title. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Valley Cat General User Member Since: 12/28/2004 Location: Jackson Twp., OH Post Count: 1,204 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 8:24:15 AM  I'm excited about the possibility of having some depth at O Line. I thought guys like Pruehs and Lowery showed well for being so green. You get Wood and Gibbons back and if healthy gives you a good rotation with Lucas and Pruehs. I think there is a lot of potential here. Just stay healthy. I am very curious to see what the depth at tight end looks like as well. Its hard to assess from my rec room in Canton sipping coffee but it seems the offense is more effective when they can feature some double tight end sets. The spring should tell us something about who will provide depth behind Oulette. I love his athleticism but I think his running style would be best served if he could split carries and stay fresh. I foresee Vick being very T3 like this season. Make throws when necessary and provide the offense with the option threat it needs to thrive. He has waited his turn and battled injury. It's his time and he must be a good leader. Two time captain. That second half against Miami he looked comfortable. Last Edited: 3/21/2015 9:03:56 AM by Valley Cat Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,902 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 9:29:41 AM  It's time that we get a break with the injury bug. These past 3 years have hurt the depth of our team. If we do get a break our chances of a good season improves dramatically. I am waiting to hear somethings about Joey and his chances this year for some PT. GO BOBCATS Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,261 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 10:13:59 AM  For me the passing game is the biggest ? with these concerns: * Smith and Reid are great athletes but can they consistently stay on the field and consistently catch the ball. * Robbie Walker and Brendan Cope need more PT. * Cameron Wilson needs to rekindle his Purdue potential. * A Sophomore like Herman Brunis or Cedric Brown needs to step up. * TE's need to be more involved in the offense. * OUr QB's need to be effective enough passers that D's don't stack the line. With that said I think we will be OK. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 11:13:14 AM  Doc Bobcat wrote: For me the passing game is the biggest ? with these concerns: * Smith and Reid are great athletes but can they consistently stay on the field and consistently catch the ball. * Robbie Walker and Brendan Cope need more PT. * Cameron Wilson needs to rekindle his Purdue potential. * A Sophomore like Herman Brunis or Cedric Brown needs to step up. * TE's need to be more involved in the offense. * OUr QB's need to be effective enough passers that D's don't stack the line. With that said I think we will be OK. Perspective. Smith and Reid need to stay on the field yet Walker, Cope, Wilson, Brunis and Brown need more time and to step up? Effective passing so Ds don't stack the line, while L.C. is hoping for a good enough running game so Ds do stack the line to open up the passing. I'm conflicted/confused. Not really. Run the ball, Stop thr run, Win the Game!!! "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,261 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 11:47:37 AM  Bcat2 wrote: Doc Bobcat wrote: For me the passing game is the biggest ? with these concerns: * Smith and Reid are great athletes but can they consistently stay on the field and consistently catch the ball. * Robbie Walker and Brendan Cope need more PT. * Cameron Wilson needs to rekindle his Purdue potential. * A Sophomore like Herman Brunis or Cedric Brown needs to step up. * TE's need to be more involved in the offense. * OUr QB's need to be effective enough passers that D's don't stack the line. With that said I think we will be OK. Perspective. Smith and Reid need to stay on the field yet Walker, Cope, Wilson, Brunis and Brown need more time and to step up? Effective passing so Ds don't stack the line, while L.C. is hoping for a good enough running game so Ds do stack the line to open up the passing. I'm conflicted/confused. Not really. Run the ball, Stop thr run, Win the Game!!! Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,261 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 11:49:24 AM  Simply put...if you can't pass it will be harder to run the ball. If D's worry about and play for the pass it will make it easier to run. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,478 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 12:20:05 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: It's time that we get a break with the injury bug. These past 3 years have hurt the depth of our team. If we do get a break our chances of a good season improves dramatically. As much as the team last year struggled, clearly it was in part related to injuries in general, but actually, to one injury in particular. It made a huge difference when AJ was healthy. AJ was the featured back, and healthy, in only 5 games: Idaho, EIU, Buffalo, NIU, and Miami. 5 Games with a healthy AJ (4-1): Rushing - 223 yards/game Passing - 172 yards/game Total yards - 395 yards/game Points/game - 29 Yards/point - 13.6 7 other Games (2-5): Rushing - 122 yards Passing - 230 yards Total yards - 352 yards/game Points/game - 14 Yards/point - 24.4 Note in particular the last stat. In games without a solid running game, Ohio was able to move the ball through the air, but was not very effective at putting points on the board. In the 7 games, Ohio had nearly as many yards/game, but only half the points. When gaining yardage by air, Ohio had to get nearly twice as many yards to get the same number of points. That inspired me to plot a graph of all the games between two variables "Yards/point" and "pct of yards gained on the ground", and wow, the graph was nearly linear, with 3 outlying points. Against Kentucky, the graph says Ohio should have gotten 7 points instead of 3. Similarly Ohio got a few less points than you'd expect from this against NIU, and a few more than you'd expect against WMU. On the whole, though, the relationship was much more dramatic than I expected. It seems that in terms a producing points, a rushing yard is twice as effective as a passing yard, i.e., a passing offense that produces 500 yards of passing is equivalent to a rushing offense that produces 250 yards. I wonder how well this holds up for other teams? I bet it does... That brings me back full circle to "Run the ball, Stop thr run, Win the Game!!!" Maybe it's time to go back to the "I" formation? Or the Wishbone? ;) Last Edited: 3/21/2015 12:27:10 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,478 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 12:25:27 PM  Doc Bobcat wrote: Simply put...if you can't pass it will be harder to run the ball. If D's worry about and play for the pass it will make it easier to run. The reverse is also true. If you can't run the ball, it's a lot harder to pass the ball. For examples of that you need to only look to the CMU and WMU games. Neither team feared Ohio's rushing attack, so they lined up in the nickle defense much of the time, which made it a lot harder to throw the ball. I think next year Ohio should be able to do both. Will the run open up the pass? Will the pass open up the run? Answer: Both. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 12:51:58 PM  Doc Bobcat wrote: Simply put...if you can't pass it will be harder to run the ball. If D's worry about and play for the pass it will make it easier to run. Or vice versa. Perspective. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 1:00:00 PM  L.C. wrote: 71 BOBCAT wrote: It's time that we get a break with the injury bug. These past 3 years have hurt the depth of our team. If we do get a break our chances of a good season improves dramatically. As much as the team last year struggled, clearly it was in part related to injuries in general, but actually, to one injury in particular. It made a huge difference when AJ was healthy. AJ was the featured back, and healthy, in only 5 games: Idaho, EIU, Buffalo, NIU, and Miami. 5 Games with a healthy AJ (4-1): Rushing - 223 yards/game Passing - 172 yards/game Total yards - 395 yards/game Points/game - 29 Yards/point - 13.6 7 other Games (2-5): Rushing - 122 yards Passing - 230 yards Total yards - 352 yards/game Points/game - 14 Yards/point - 24.4 Note in particular the last stat. In games without a solid running game, Ohio was able to move the ball through the air, but was not very effective at putting points on the board. In the 7 games, Ohio had nearly as many yards/game, but only half the points. When gaining yardage by air, Ohio had to get nearly twice as many yards to get the same number of points. That inspired me to plot a graph of all the games between two variables "Yards/point" and "pct of yards gained on the ground", and wow, the graph was nearly linear, with 3 outlying points. Against Kentucky, the graph says Ohio should have gotten 7 points instead of 3. Similarly Ohio got a few less points than you'd expect from this against NIU, and a few more than you'd expect against WMU. On the whole, though, the relationship was much more dramatic than I expected. It seems that in terms a producing points, a rushing yard is twice as effective as a passing yard, i.e., a passing offense that produces 500 yards of passing is equivalent to a rushing offense that produces 250 yards. I wonder how well this holds up for other teams? I bet it does... That brings me back full circle to "Run the ball, Stop thr run, Win the Game!!!" Maybe it's time to go back to the "I" formation? Or the Wishbone? ;) L.C.. I think you are on to something, though, I believe Ohio can effectively run from their current sets. Beau behind a representative line ran for 1,600 yards. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,261 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 1:00:52 PM  Bcat2 wrote: Doc Bobcat wrote: Simply put...if you can't pass it will be harder to run the ball. If D's worry about and play for the pass it will make it easier to run. Or vice versa. Perspective. Well of course. I really don't give a rats arse what we do or why we do or when we do...just win more and play better than last year no matter who's hurt or if we run or if we pass or what the heck. Just win baby. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 2:26:06 PM  Win the East. Win the MACC. Win the bowl game. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,645 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 5:08:31 PM  Doc Bobcat wrote: Simply put...if you can't pass it will be harder to run the ball. If D's worry about and play for the pass it will make it easier to run. I think this year we will be going back that old-fashioned formula: Run the ball up the gut (and elsewhere) to open up the passing game. With AJ and Irons in the backfield and a more experienced OL and two new JUCO linemen, I think it's fairly clear -- at least to me -- the direction our offensive is going to take next year. It may not satisfy the razzle-dazzle enthusiasts, but I think it's going to be the most effective offense we've seen in a long-time in Bobcat-land. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,811 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 6:05:07 PM  Offense will come down to the offensive line. It wasn't very good last year. There's no reason to think it won't be much better this year. With improved offensive line play, the offense will be much better. I doubt the offense has any All-MAC first-team players at QB, RB or WR this year, but I think all positions can be above average with good line play, which should be good enough with the potential the defense has to be outstanding. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,150 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 3/21/2015 10:02:25 PM  This staff relies too much on one-on-one mismatches and big plays to stun the opponents. There needs to be more emphasis on teaching fundamentals to the system players so they make the needed tackles and blocks. Watch TCU play sometime. They don't have a roster packed with the best pro talent but man can they execute. Play calling and packages leave something to be desired too. Solich's name definitely has attracted more players to the program and OHIO is on ESPN but the program in a way is all hat and no cattle. The guys have been brought in but they aren't coached up to the level they need to be to contend nationally. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,645 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 6/30/2015 4:15:19 PM  I'll go out on a limb and say we'll exceed Monroe's expectations. ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,367 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 7/1/2015 9:29:05 AM  C Money wrote: Win the East. Win the MACC. Win the bowl game. Personally, I find winning the East, and then winning at Ford Field to be the most important. Bowl games are just icing on the cake IMO. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,577 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 7/1/2015 11:29:22 AM  DT and QB are the two positions that I think swing this season on both sides of the ball. This team has too much experience for us to miss a bowl game. With our schedule, the MAC is going to be tough. We are going to need to come to play to win it. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,828 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 7/1/2015 9:21:33 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: Offense will come down to the offensive line. It wasn't very good last year. There's no reason to think it won't be much better this year. With improved offensive line play, the offense will be much better. I doubt the offense has any All-MAC first-team players at QB, RB or WR this year, but I think all positions can be above average with good line play, which should be good enough with the potential the defense has to be outstanding. Agree, but will go further. Believe if O-line can do its job and our ball handlers remain healthy, we could have someone like AJ get a first-team nod. Back to Top OhioBobcat General User Member Since: 1/20/2006 Post Count: 1,619 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 7/1/2015 11:38:23 PM  OU_Country wrote: C Money wrote: Win the East. Win the MACC. Win the bowl game. Personally, I find winning the East, and then winning at Ford Field to be the most important. Bowl games are just icing on the cake IMO. Agreed. Winning the MACC is far more important than any of the bowl games we'll be playing in. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,367 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 7/2/2015 3:14:26 PM  OhioBobcat wrote: OU_Country wrote: C Money wrote: Win the East. Win the MACC. Win the bowl game. Personally, I find winning the East, and then winning at Ford Field to be the most important. Bowl games are just icing on the cake IMO. Agreed. Winning the MACC is far more important than any of the bowl games we'll be playing in. I guess it would depend on what bowl game, and the situation. My reason for my previous opinion is that under Frank, amid all the improvements to the program, we've never won the MACC game. Hanging that kind of banner to me is most important as compared to another Potato Bowl trophy. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,478 Status: Offline     RE: Expectations for fall    Posted: 7/3/2015 10:38:07 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: I'll go out on a limb and say we'll exceed Monroe's expectations. ;-) I believe so, but that wasn't what this thread was about. In the title, the last word has two "L"s and no "I". “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 35 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 190 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 190 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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