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ytownbobcat
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Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/14/2015 3:00:50 PM

I see where Arkley will comment later on this afternoons scrimmage. Were any BA posters in attendance that care to give us a report on what they saw?
I am most interested in QB play.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/14/2015 3:44:07 PM

ytownbobcat wrote:

I see where Arkley will comment later on this afternoons scrimmage. Were any BA posters in attendance that care to give us a report on what they saw?
I am most interested in QB play.

The one dude snapped a ball off the roof of the Convocation Center and it landed in the water cooler. It was real cool, you should have seen it. Maybe someone has it on Twitter. LOL.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/14/2015 7:06:20 PM

Messenger article is up:

http://www.athensmessenger.com/sports/ohiouniversity/spra...

Quote:

Sprague hit 10 of 12 passes for 137 yards, and rushed for a touchdown, during Ohio�s scrimmage Friday afternoon inside Peden Stadium.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/14/2015 9:11:26 PM

Three fumbles in 70 plays--that can't be good.

So much depends on the d-line. If they go, the D goes and the offense executes. If the d-line can't hold, we'll get scored on and the O will feel a lot of pressure.

Too early to tell. We'll know after more scrimmage...but mostly after some live game action. (I clearly have my M.O. going.)

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/14/2015 9:15:53 PM

Cats-22 wrote:

Messenger article is up:

http://www.athensmessenger.com/sports/ohiouniversity/spra...

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Sprague hit 10 of 12 passes for 137 yards, and rushed for a touchdown, during Ohio�s scrimmage Friday afternoon inside Peden Stadium.

" The defense allowed just 72 rushing yards on 35 attempts after sacks and a trio of off-target snaps were factored in."

About my only concern is the reference to "a trio of off-target snaps." I would doubt they were by Mr. Powell. The centers really needs to figure this out.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/14/2015 9:32:06 PM

The defense allowed just 72 rushing yards on 35 attempts

What's to make of the offensive line after scrimmage number one? Thumbs up to the D!

Last Edited: 8/14/2015 9:38:25 PM by MonroeClassmate

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/14/2015 9:56:09 PM

The defense normally progresses faster than the offense, so I would have expected the defense to dominate this scrimmage. Also, the cover-4, if they are still running it, is particularly strong against the run, and Ohio was very strong against the run last year, so I think this is a case of "good against good", not "weak against weak".

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/14/2015 10:08:18 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

The defense allowed just 72 rushing yards on 35 attempts

What's to make of the offensive line after scrimmage number one? Thumbs up to the D!

The offense was without 67, 57 & 45 who all would really rather have played. Next scrimmage the top group should be together which will also improve the 2s. The offense also helped the Defense with three errant snaps from center creating negative yardage. Next scrimmage the yards rushing should go up.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 3:52:59 PM

DID WE RUN ANY TWO-BACK SETS YESTERDAY?

Sorry for shouting.

BUT I'M SHOUTING ABOUT THIS...and have been for years.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 5:34:16 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

DID WE RUN ANY TWO-BACK SETS YESTERDAY?

Sorry for shouting.

BUT I'M SHOUTING ABOUT THIS...and have been for years.

Why Monroe? Please explain in L.C. like detail, what is so magic about two back sets? Please explain why the TBS is more difficult to defend. Is the second back a better blocker than a tight-end would be? Does the defense have to defend more of the field with a second back? L.C. no fair helping.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 5:35:00 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

DID WE RUN ANY TWO-BACK SETS YESTERDAY?

Sorry for shouting.

BUT I'M SHOUTING ABOUT THIS...and have been for years.

I would also like to know about this.

And screens. I feel like we haven't seen screens during the season much the past couple years, but they've been mentioned as a focus in practice spring and fall of this year.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 6:38:20 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

DID WE RUN ANY TWO-BACK SETS YESTERDAY?

Sorry for shouting.

BUT I'M SHOUTING ABOUT THIS...and have been for years.

I congratulate you on your (continuing effort) to be purposefully ignoring.

As I've posted booting-deceased-equine-edly, if there are two backs, then you don't know which will get the ball...so the D has to be a bit hesitant. Second, one back can lead the other into the hole, more power/speed/force at the point of attack. Others can feel free to add further reasons why 2-back sets at least ought to be in our arsenal.

Anyone for 3-running back sets?

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 7:01:03 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

DID WE RUN ANY TWO-BACK SETS YESTERDAY?

Sorry for shouting.

BUT I'M SHOUTING ABOUT THIS...and have been for years.

OK, the two back set is more power. Still curious, now to add the RB which player left the field, the TE, slot or WR?

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 7:22:44 PM

The bottom line is that there are multiple ways to keep a defender from making the tackle. You can:
1. Block him
2. Confuse him
3. Lure him out of the way

Any or all of the above can work. In the early years at Ohio, Ohio did mostly the first two, using two back sets. In recent years Ohio has done more with the third strategy, by using more wide receivers to lure defenders to far off places, rather than overpowering them.

I don't really have a preference, so long as it works.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 7:37:07 PM

Its speed not strength that is the difference as you move from DII to FCS to MAC to SEC. An emphasis on speed is what I heard from Robbie Walker from one of the practice videos. First you have to know how much speed is on your roster. Then find a way to maximize that speed in a game situation. A good program like the one Solich runs repeats the process every year.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 7:47:54 PM

So long as it works. Exactly.

Deadhorsing again, it hasn't worked very well over the last 2.5 years.

We supposedly have a wealth of talent at running back.

Why would anyone object to trying two of them at once?

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 7:59:52 PM

When Ohio lined up against inferior foes it worked. Against some of the better coaches in the MAC that could find a response to it it hasn't. Having a dominant D will gloss over shortcomings on O and from the sounds of it that is possible.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 8:25:14 PM

Here's an excellent recap of the Scrimmage (in Arkley's blog), a day later, after having talked to the offensive and defensive coordinators:
http://tinyurl.com/of95the

I'm not going to recap all of it, but one small section made me smile. Talking about the defensive players in the recruiting class of 2015:

Arkley's Blog wrote:

The group has been good enough mentally and physically to compete. No one on that side is ready to start in week one, but Burrow believes there�s more than one future star in the group.

So did Ohio really bat 1.000 when it came to the defensive freshmen brought into fall camp?

�I�m not going to go that far yet, but there�s nobody out there you would look at and even think you MAY have made a mistake on,� he said.

Those of us that follow recruiting have said that the 2015 class was loaded with defensive talent. Arkely has been very positive about it all through Fall camp, and this is yet another confirmation.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 9:11:50 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Monroe, this is not playground where you drew it up in the dirt. Again, who comes off the field, TE, slot or WR? Not objecting to anything, just want to know how deeply you have thought this through. So OC Slavin, who comes off for the RB? Is this your every down offense? Can we change the style of QB with 2 backs? Currently Ohio carries lots of WRs, should Ohio convert a few to RB? Are those recently recruited 6'7" OTs more suited for pass protection than a run heavy offense? Oh, what the hey I know you have it all figured out. Really, though, who comes off for the 2nd back?

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/15/2015 10:27:25 PM

Irons said they practiced two-back sets during the spring. I suspect they'll practice them at some point during the current fall camp. Have faith Monroe. The running game is going to be really good this fall.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/17/2015 8:59:54 AM

L.C. wrote:

Arkley's Blog wrote:

Those of us that follow recruiting have said that the 2015 class was loaded with defensive talent. Arkely has been very positive about it all through Fall camp, and this is yet another confirmation.

That's all well and good and I'm glad Burrow is that confident. The amazing thing is, he is saying that even when probably the two biggest stars out of that class aren't even at Ohio yet (Williams and Christian).

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/17/2015 10:59:33 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Does someone who is 177 pounds(or less)and lines up in the backfield count as a running back?

Last Edited: 8/17/2015 11:00:16 AM by Bobcat Grad 86

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/17/2015 11:29:42 AM

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Monroe Slavin wrote:

Does someone who is 177 pounds(or less)and lines up in the backfield count as a running back?

No, I don't think anyone less than 200 lbs should come out of the backfield. Got to line those quick smaller guys out wide or in the slot. Makes no sense to try to free a small dude from the backfield. I watched them attempt it last year and it just does not work unless you have a freak athlete. We have some exceptional speed and talented smaller guys, but "freaks?" No.

Last Edited: 8/17/2015 11:30:12 AM by Cats2014

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/17/2015 12:36:57 PM

Cats2014 wrote:

No, I don't think anyone less than 200 lbs should come out of the backfield. ...

Papi - 5'9" 166lbs
Daz - 5'7" 177lbs
Hardy - 5'10" 195
AJ - 5'10" 195
Brown - 5'11" 196
Irons - 6'0" 211
Could you at least drop that to 190 to include a few more guys at running back?
;)

Another way to look at these is weight/height.
Papi - 2.41 lbs/inch
Daz - 2.64 lbs/inch
Hardy - 2.79 lbs/inch
AJ - 2.79 lbs/inch
Brown - 2.76 lbs/inch
Irons - 2.93 lbs/inch

Papi is definitely undersized, and Irons is the tank of the bunch, but the builds of Daz, Hardy, AJ, and Brown are all pretty close. In fact, given that the weights are not current, but date back to either 2012, or when they entered the program, Daz and Brown have probably gained more wieght than Hardy or AJ, and they are even closer than it appears above.

A small running back does not work well when there is no blocking to let him get started, but when there is enough blocking to let the back get a few steps to build up speed, I've seen small backs be very, very effective.

Back to the scrimmages, tomorrow (Tuesday) is the final scrimmage. After that they will be putting together the final depth chart for the Idaho game, so it will be a big day.

Last Edited: 8/17/2015 12:39:04 PM by L.C.

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RE: Today's Scrimmage 8-14-15

Posted: 8/17/2015 7:47:11 PM

In Arkley's blog, he reports that Vick and Windham both had good days in practice today. The last scrimmage will be tomorrow. Who will win the start? Will all three play against Idaho?

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