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  Message Not Read  Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/17/2011 5:56:50 PM 
Coach Carbone has provided many sound bytes and newspaper fodder that this is a rebuilding season, with the loss of high productivity to the draft and graduation.  Seems as though we should have had winning seasons with that  kind of talent last year.  We didn't.  So this isn't really rebuilding. 

The pitching is fairly solid, weekend and mid-week, but cannot get much run production.  However, embarrassing defense overshadows any hitting prowess.  This team does not take infield during practice, save fielding balls during BP.  How does that improve fielding?  We really should have more errors scored than we do.  If you have been at the home games 2 weeks ago and again this weekend, you will probably not understand how 5-6 total hits were scored as such for the opposition and Ohio players were not dinged for the infraction.  So Joe, 3/4 of the infield HAVE to be freshmen?  With all of those errors, there are several guys riding the pine who would LOVE the chance to make a difference in a game.   I believe it was the Ball State opener when you said emphatically, 'This is our best defensive lineup'.  Yep, we haven't seen them since. 

Along with this is the influx of juco players.  It appears as though jucos have the high hand when it comes to playing time.  Yes they have some experience, but it doesn't mean that they should stay in the lineup if they aren't hitting or have fielding problems.  Are all jucos worth all of the risk?  No.  There is a reason they are jucos, whether grades or other issues.  With this you have recruits who continue to leave.  What do we have, 4 senior soldiers remaining at the end of every season?  Is that common with most other teams in the MAC?  No.  If you are a Ohio recruit, you should think seriously about your other options.  If you are a juco, welcome aboard. 

The recruits are fine.  They don't need to be constantly scrutinized.  Take a look at the leadership.  Does the athletic department ever look at the baseball staff and the program turnover if their coach is penny pinching?  Probably not.  Should they?  Definitely.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/17/2011 6:20:38 PM 
He let his starter get rung up for 10 runs (including two hit batsmen in the same inning) before pulling him (with the bases still loaded, no less).  Really great sense of when to go to the bullpen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/17/2011 7:14:07 PM 
I think you could find newspaper clips from any season starting with a 2 and it would at some point be billed as a rebuilding season.

On a side note, where did Keen go? He was playing as a freshman, and I would have thought maybe he'd be a senior to anchor a team now. I don't even see him on a roster. Same thing happened to Rehak last year. From playing a lot as a freshman, to not even on the roster as a senior.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/17/2011 8:07:28 PM 
Keen quit after the start of the season when it became apparent to him that he was going to get zero time. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/17/2011 10:29:12 PM 
KitCat wrote:
Coach Carbone has provided many sound bytes and newspaper fodder that this is a rebuilding season, with the loss of high productivity to the draft and graduation.  Seems as though we should have had winning seasons with that  kind of talent last year.  We didn't.  So this isn't really rebuilding. 

The pitching is fairly solid, weekend and mid-week, but cannot get much run production.  However, embarrassing defense overshadows any hitting prowess.  This team does not take infield during practice, save fielding balls during BP.  How does that improve fielding?  We really should have more errors scored than we do.  If you have been at the home games 2 weeks ago and again this weekend, you will probably not understand how 5-6 total hits were scored as such for the opposition and Ohio players were not dinged for the infraction.  So Joe, 3/4 of the infield HAVE to be freshmen?  With all of those errors, there are several guys riding the pine who would LOVE the chance to make a difference in a game.   I believe it was the Ball State opener when you said emphatically, 'This is our best defensive lineup'.  Yep, we haven't seen them since. 

Along with this is the influx of juco players.  It appears as though jucos have the high hand when it comes to playing time.  Yes they have some experience, but it doesn't mean that they should stay in the lineup if they aren't hitting or have fielding problems.  Are all jucos worth all of the risk?  No.  There is a reason they are jucos, whether grades or other issues.  With this you have recruits who continue to leave.  What do we have, 4 senior soldiers remaining at the end of every season?  Is that common with most other teams in the MAC?  No.  If you are a Ohio recruit, you should think seriously about your other options.  If you are a juco, welcome aboard. 

The recruits are fine.  They don't need to be constantly scrutinized.  Take a look at the leadership.  Does the athletic department ever look at the baseball staff and the program turnover if their coach is penny pinching?  Probably not.  Should they?  Definitely.


Sounds like "same ****, different year"

Can't believe the apologists haven't been all over this yet.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/18/2011 8:14:38 PM 
ts1227 wrote:
KitCat wrote:
Coach Carbone has provided many sound bytes and newspaper fodder that this is a rebuilding season, with the loss of high productivity to the draft and graduation.  Seems as though we should have had winning seasons with that  kind of talent last year.  We didn't.  So this isn't really rebuilding. 

The pitching is fairly solid, weekend and mid-week, but cannot get much run production.  However, embarrassing defense overshadows any hitting prowess.  This team does not take infield during practice, save fielding balls during BP.  How does that improve fielding?  We really should have more errors scored than we do.  If you have been at the home games 2 weeks ago and again this weekend, you will probably not understand how 5-6 total hits were scored as such for the opposition and Ohio players were not dinged for the infraction.  So Joe, 3/4 of the infield HAVE to be freshmen?  With all of those errors, there are several guys riding the pine who would LOVE the chance to make a difference in a game.   I believe it was the Ball State opener when you said emphatically, 'This is our best defensive lineup'.  Yep, we haven't seen them since. 

Along with this is the influx of juco players.  It appears as though jucos have the high hand when it comes to playing time.  Yes they have some experience, but it doesn't mean that they should stay in the lineup if they aren't hitting or have fielding problems.  Are all jucos worth all of the risk?  No.  There is a reason they are jucos, whether grades or other issues.  With this you have recruits who continue to leave.  What do we have, 4 senior soldiers remaining at the end of every season?  Is that common with most other teams in the MAC?  No.  If you are a Ohio recruit, you should think seriously about your other options.  If you are a juco, welcome aboard. 

The recruits are fine.  They don't need to be constantly scrutinized.  Take a look at the leadership.  Does the athletic department ever look at the baseball staff and the program turnover if their coach is penny pinching?  Probably not.  Should they?  Definitely.


Sounds like "same ****, different year"

Can't believe the apologists haven't been all over this yet.


Queue Old Bobcat.

Even the apologist have a hard time defending only having a winning record 1 out of the last 9 seasons. And the worst schedule in the MAC to boot.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/19/2011 8:45:12 AM 
Keen quit?  After playing every game for the past 3 years, we now put him on the bench?

Wesley O'Neil has to be one of the worst bobcats of recent memory.

Also, The bobcats have been rebuilding since '97. 

I'm seriously sick of hearing how young we are, I wish someone in the papers would actually reply, "Please explain to me why you say our team is young every year?"

Also the Juco's we bring in are terrible.  Save a couple good seasons, like the Columbus State kid about 5 or 6 years ago, every transfer/juco has been a bust.  You got to believe they are getting big bucks too.

It's almost like a running joke in the conference.  Ohio could be one of the most dangerous programs in baseball once things change.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/25/2011 11:30:17 AM 
Nice job by the Cats this weekend.  Great hitting and pitching.  It was definitely good for the team.  The coach didn't get in the way until he pulled the 1st relief pitcher from Sunday's game.  Stupid move, but not surprising.

I also was amused at his post-game radio chat after the DH sweep.  He said that he recruited Garret Black's dad when he was a coach at Toledo, and Black's dad then went to BG.  He said that he got Garret instead.   No Joe, you didn't recruit Garret...you got lucky.  Garret tried out in the walk-on tryouts this fall.  Don't make yourself sound like a genius.  We know better.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/25/2011 12:04:47 PM 
Its all Boeh's Fault wrote:
Keen quit?  After playing every game for the past 3 years, we now put him on the bench?

Wesley O'Neil has to be one of the worst bobcats of recent memory.

Also, The bobcats have been rebuilding since '97. 

I'm seriously sick of hearing how young we are, I wish someone in the papers would actually reply, "Please explain to me why you say our team is young every year?"

Also the Juco's we bring in are terrible.  Save a couple good seasons, like the Columbus State kid about 5 or 6 years ago, every transfer/juco has been a bust.  You got to believe they are getting big bucks too.

It's almost like a running joke in the conference.  Ohio could be one of the most dangerous programs in baseball once things change.




When the going gets tough quit?  Is that what you are abdicating?  Simply blame the coaches and walk away?  Heck, I am glad the guy isn't on the team anymore then.  If you cannot work through a little adversity, they what good are you?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/25/2011 3:33:29 PM 
BattleCat wrote:
When the going gets tough quit?  Is that what you are abdicating?  Simply blame the coaches and walk away?  Heck, I am glad the guy isn't on the team anymore then.  If you cannot work through a little adversity, they what good are you?
There is more than a little adversity and mind games played by this coaching staff with the players.  Communication is minimal at best.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  This is a huge commitment for the players.  A lot of time is missed in class (which is what they are here for) to put up with the lack of communication as to why you may not be getting time.  And yes, that occurs...no word whatsoever as to why you are no longer a starter after you have done so for a year or two. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/25/2011 9:36:18 PM 
So you agree that if you don't start, quit? Thank God you don't coach my kids.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/26/2011 9:38:13 AM 
One would only need to look at the stats to understand why playing time has diminished!!!!  These "men" shouldn't need a coach to explain everything to them.  They aren't in Little League any longer.  I would think that there is a level of communication expected from the young men also,,,, if you want to know,,, ASK!!

Last Edited: 4/26/2011 9:39:30 AM by Catdude
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 4/26/2011 2:23:10 PM 
One would only need to look at the overall record of the teams since 2005 to understand why support of the team has diminished!!!!  These "administrators" shouldn't need a bunch of restless fans to explain everything to them.  They aren't in D3/NAIA/high school any longer. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 5/1/2011 9:27:18 PM 
I'm not happy the way things are going this year but it is not "routine" to replace a 3-4-5 combo that produced 40+ homers and 180+ RBI. 2 were Juniors in the 3 and 4 hole that would have made a difference this season.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 5/1/2011 9:34:06 PM 
...but what exactly did we do with all those guys plus Krauss 2 years ago, and those guys last year? We had our worst start ever last season.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 5/2/2011 7:30:31 PM 

I used to follow Ohio baseball closely.  Now?  This is first time I've checked the baseball board in many a moon.

After Kent swept Ohio last Saturday, the Beacon Journal reported that this is Kent's 13th consecutive season with 30 or more wins.  During those same 13 seasons, how many winning seasons - never mind 30 or more wins - has Ohio recorded? 

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 5/4/2011 8:42:59 PM 
Carbone is starting to sound like the rest of the board!
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“This is a joke,” Carbone said, straight-faced. “This season’s been a joke.”

Sure, he was talking about all of the rain, but that's not the point.

thepost.ohiou.edu/content/baseball-rain-continues-wash-out-season

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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 5/7/2011 10:32:21 PM 
Its all Boeh's Fault wrote:
. . . Also, The bobcats have been rebuilding since '97. . . . 


It seems to me that we've been in one rebuilding season after another practically since Bob Wren retired.

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   Posted: 5/12/2011 4:44:30 PM 
Just thought I would share a few of the quotes I read in regards to having a young team every year. 

On 2011's Team
http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/content/baseball-2011-bobcat...

"It’s a young team that’s performing pretty well right now.”

http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/content/baseball-rain-preven...

With such a young team, Carbone said the weather has made it difficult for the team to gain the experience it needs to improve.

“Young guys need to play. They need reps and they need at bats,” Carbone said. “An older team can adjust because they’ve had more experience, but with a younger team, it’s a lot more difficult.”

On 2010's Team
4/8/10
http://speakeasymag.com/sports/fast-start-leads-to-ohios-.../

“We’re a work in progress, we’re getting better. This is what we’re capable of doing, but we’re very young … Just because we’re capable of it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen again,” Carbone said. “This game is over with, winning a midweek game doesn’t mean you’re going to win a weekend game.”


Reference to the 2008 Team

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/02180...

"Our goals as a team are to win a Mid-American Conference regular season championship and get into the (MAC) Tournament and win the Tournament and go to the NCAA Tournament," Ohio head coach Joe Carbone said. "I think we got to the semifinals (last year) with a young team, of course this is a new year and anything can happen, good or bad. Hopefully we'll stay injury free and with the talent we have on the team we're very capable of challenging anybody for the MAC Championship, but we have to go play well."


About the 2007 Team (FYI they returned 18 letterwinners and had something like 10 seniors and only lost 3 players)

1/29/2007
http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/01290...

"We are all very excited about the first day of practice," Carbone said. "We have a very challenging opening series with Vanderbilt University, one of the top teams in the country. We got started today and we look forward to a challenge with a lot of new faces and a whole new coaching staff.


You could probably keep going, but it gets pretty repetitive

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   Posted: 5/14/2011 4:21:14 PM 
OK,,, but were they young teams  or are you calling the coaches liars?????  Heck  I went to a game this year and there were 5 freshmen in the lineup,,  I'd say they are pretty young.  Just slightly older than most high school teams.

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   Posted: 5/14/2011 8:34:08 PM 
Taking the top 10 at-bat guys and top 5 innings pitched, here is the breakdown.

2011

Senior - 5
Junior - 4
Sophomore - 3 (counting Streich twice)
Freshman - 3


2010

Senior - 4
Junior - 7
Sophomore - 2
Freshman - 2 (counting Streich twice)


2009

Senior - 6
Junior - 5
Sophomore - 4
Freshman - 0



2008

Senior - 3
Junior - 5
Sophomore - 3
Freshman - 4


Basically, the only team you could call young was the 2008 team, but even that team 2 of their 3 sophomores who saw significant time played a ton as freshmen. Krauss, Eldemire and Maddox were basically upperclassman by the end of their freshman/start of their sophomore years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Carbone--the reason for everything
   Posted: 5/14/2011 9:24:03 PM 
In an earlier thread entitled Bobcats Baseball 2011 I posted on10/4/2010 the "Over/under on the first "Its early and we're young" quote? I'll go 3/18."

The link to the article posted by its all Boeh's Fault was published 3/29/2011. Good news, if you had the over you won!

This program is so predictable.




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   Posted: 5/16/2011 10:59:33 AM 
Donuts wrote:
Taking the top 10 at-bat guys and top 5 innings pitched, here is the breakdown.



Basically, the only team you could call young was the 2008 team, but even that team 2 of their 3 sophomores who saw significant time played a ton as freshmen. Krauss, Eldemire and Maddox were basically upperclassman by the end of their freshman/start of their sophomore years.


Yet only 3 of the top 10 had more than 100 at bats at the DI level last year.
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   Posted: 5/16/2011 11:17:57 AM 
So what good are JUCO guys if we consider them first year players? I thought the only reason people considered JUCOs were because of the ability to have them make impacts right away due to all that great competition they saw.
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   Posted: 5/16/2011 4:11:02 PM 
Old_Bobcat wrote:
Yet only 3 of the top 10 had more than 100 at bats at the DI level last year.


Black, Emody, and Ward are your young guys.  All Freshmen seeing significant time.

You could argue that Streich is young because he's a sophomore, however he saw significant time as a freshmen playing in 40 games with 123 at bats.  I would say he's had way more experience than your average sophomore and I wouldn't consider him young, as far as college baseball experience.

Players such as Newton, who were 2 year starters in Junior College, went to the JUCO World Series and set the all-time hits record at his Junior College are not new to college baseball.

Out of the 11 players that have had 84 or more at bats so far, only 3 i would consider young and inexperienced to college baseball.  And for the record, I would not call Black (106 ab's in 37 gms), Emody (177 in 45), and Ward (176 in 47) "young" next year.  They have played quite a bit, and I'm sure all will play in a high level college baseball summer league this year. 
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