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Casper71
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   Posted: 2/15/2026 6:51:01 PM 
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha
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FearLeon
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   Posted: 2/15/2026 7:43:34 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


Don’t have the numbers, but according to our coach in a number of interviews through the years on this topic…quote…”we got out spent for that guy.” Or my personal favorite…”they (insert any D-1 hoops program not named Ohio) have the financial resources to keep guys.”

Last Edited: 2/15/2026 7:59:34 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT #NoMissesAllowed
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 3:53:58 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.
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GraffZ06
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 12:56:25 PM 
No I don't have exact dollar amounts - but I have compiled and seen estimates for the amount of $$ that COULD flow into the program. From a market analysis standpoint. And it isn't pretty. We're bottom 3 in the MAC and below almost every Horizon league school.

Again, not in actual dollars currently. In theoretical available dollars moving forward.

Athens Ohio is not the place to be in a spending competition.
It's a great place to be in a college atmosphere, picturesque landscape and good education competition.

We moved from the latter to the former.

Last Edited: 2/16/2026 12:58:41 PM by GraffZ06
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M.D.W.S.T
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:10:26 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.
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greencat
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:13:33 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
No I don't have exact dollar amounts - but I have compiled and seen estimates for the amount of $$ that COULD flow into the program. From a market analysis standpoint. And it isn't pretty. We're bottom 3 in the MAC and below almost every Horizon league school.

Again, not in actual dollars currently. In theoretical available dollars moving forward.

Athens Ohio is not the place to be in a spending competition.
It's a great place to be in a college atmosphere, picturesque landscape and good education competition.

We moved from the latter to the former.


How is Murray State doing in the NIL $$ department?

It's in a remote flat part of Kentucky, generic looking campus, a town much smaller than Athens.

Asking for a friend since they didn't have trouble paying to get 13 new players while also paying the previous coach over a million bucks to get lost. And beat Akron by 15 with that new roster.

Last Edited: 2/16/2026 1:14:59 PM by greencat
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:13:39 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


It is. Baylor is recruiting from the NBA G-League. Izzo joked about Jordan and LeBron having eligibility next. Do NOT think it too far-fetched for the NCAA to screw up.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:14:55 PM 
greencat wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
No I don't have exact dollar amounts - but I have compiled and seen estimates for the amount of $$ that COULD flow into the program. From a market analysis standpoint. And it isn't pretty. We're bottom 3 in the MAC and below almost every Horizon league school.

Again, not in actual dollars currently. In theoretical available dollars moving forward.

Athens Ohio is not the place to be in a spending competition.
It's a great place to be in a college atmosphere, picturesque landscape and good education competition.

We moved from the latter to the former.


How is Murray State doing in the NIL $$ department?

It's in a remote flat part of Kentucky, generic looking campus, a town much smaller than Athens.

Asking for a friend since they didn't have trouble paying to get 13 new players while also paying the previous coach over a million bucks to get lost.


I honestly don't know - I didn't do a market, demographic and alumni analysis of Murray. Maybe I should.
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FJC31
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:16:13 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
No I don't have exact dollar amounts - but I have compiled and seen estimates for the amount of $$ that COULD flow into the program. From a market analysis standpoint. And it isn't pretty. We're bottom 3 in the MAC and below almost every Horizon league school.

Again, not in actual dollars currently. In theoretical available dollars moving forward.

Athens Ohio is not the place to be in a spending competition.
It's a great place to be in a college atmosphere, picturesque landscape and good education competition.

We moved from the latter to the former.


I don't think BLSS was referring to you.

Let's also stop driving the narrative that just because the school is in Athens, OH, doesn't mean all of the donors are. Alumni are everywhere.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:18:55 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.

Last Edited: 2/16/2026 1:20:21 PM by FJC31
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OUbobcat9092
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:29:49 PM 
The Athletic Department just got a $1.5 million donation from Sacramento St. (Along with the rest of the MAC)

Bring Back Men's Track & Field

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M.D.W.S.T
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:38:08 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.


Nice tidbits there.

We very much need a fresh set of eyes on roster construction. To this point I truly feel like we're recruiting the highest rated recruits we can get - to hell with roster construction. Most people just say Boals can't recruit, and that's not necessarily true. I just think he's relying too much on others data. And maybe thats a place where we just don't have the money to do needed diligence. I have to go find my old post, but Boals has rarely had a recruiting class outside the Top 2. He's either #1 or #2. The only year OU wasn't highly ranked was Clayton's class. Because he was the only HS signee. And that worked out pretty well. We tremendously need to turn previous logic on its head, because our biggest weakness is a lack of TEAM. A lack of ROLES. A lack of OFFENSIVE IDENTITY. And that starts with Boals. Can we teach an old dog new tricks? That's for Lars to figure out. Otherwise, it pains me to say... we can't ride with Boals and his Gus Macker offense anymore. We just can't. We need an identity. And construct a true offense around said roster. I find it hard to believe Boals is so set in his 'create it if you got it' offense that he's willing to ride it into unemployment, but coaches are a weird breed.

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spongeBOB CATpants
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:48:06 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.


Nice tidbits there.

We very much need a fresh set of eyes on roster construction. To this point I truly feel like we're recruiting the highest rated recruits we can get - to hell with roster construction. Most people just say Boals can't recruit, and that's not necessarily true. I just think he's relying too much on others data. And maybe thats a place where we just don't have the money to do needed diligence. I have to go find my old post, but Boals has rarely had a recruiting class outside the Top 2. He's either #1 or #2. The only year OU wasn't highly ranked was Clayton's class. Because he was the only HS signee. And that worked out pretty well. We tremendously need to turn previous logic on its head, because our biggest weakness is a lack of TEAM. A lack of ROLES. A lack of OFFENSIVE IDENTITY. And that starts with Boals. Can we teach an old dog new tricks? That's for Lars to figure out. Otherwise, it pains me to say... we can't ride with Boals and his Gus Macker offense anymore. We just can't. We need an identity. And construct a true offense around said roster. I find it hard to believe Boals is so set in his 'create it if you got it' offense that he's willing to ride it into unemployment, but coaches are a weird breed.


This post just make me curious about the potential of bringing in a GM. Thought I saw that was a new position this year added to the football program (I may be mistaken but thought I came across their twitter awhile back). I think that's a way to combine Boals' recruiting skills with somebody who can dedicate 100% of their time towards roster construction and research.

Not sure that would be possible at this point in Boals' tenure but just has me thinking what direction the program is going to go in the post Boals era.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 1:56:21 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
greencat wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
No I don't have exact dollar amounts - but I have compiled and seen estimates for the amount of $$ that COULD flow into the program. From a market analysis standpoint. And it isn't pretty. We're bottom 3 in the MAC and below almost every Horizon league school.

Again, not in actual dollars currently. In theoretical available dollars moving forward.

Athens Ohio is not the place to be in a spending competition.
It's a great place to be in a college atmosphere, picturesque landscape and good education competition.

We moved from the latter to the former.


How is Murray State doing in the NIL $$ department?

It's in a remote flat part of Kentucky, generic looking campus, a town much smaller than Athens.

Asking for a friend since they didn't have trouble paying to get 13 new players while also paying the previous coach over a million bucks to get lost.


I honestly don't know - I didn't do a market, demographic and alumni analysis of Murray. Maybe I should.


Since Murray dropped 115 points on Akron with a brand new staff and an all new roster, is there a way to factor in that 115 number into some sort of formula while you are working on it.

Here is the box score. Notice that Murray scored 68 on them in the 2nd half. Three more than we scored vs Akron in the entire game.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/g...

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   Posted: 2/16/2026 2:14:21 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.


Nice tidbits there.

We very much need a fresh set of eyes on roster construction. To this point I truly feel like we're recruiting the highest rated recruits we can get - to hell with roster construction. Most people just say Boals can't recruit, and that's not necessarily true. I just think he's relying too much on others data. And maybe thats a place where we just don't have the money to do needed diligence. I have to go find my old post, but Boals has rarely had a recruiting class outside the Top 2. He's either #1 or #2. The only year OU wasn't highly ranked was Clayton's class. Because he was the only HS signee. And that worked out pretty well. We tremendously need to turn previous logic on its head, because our biggest weakness is a lack of TEAM. A lack of ROLES. A lack of OFFENSIVE IDENTITY. And that starts with Boals. Can we teach an old dog new tricks? That's for Lars to figure out. Otherwise, it pains me to say... we can't ride with Boals and his Gus Macker offense anymore. We just can't. We need an identity. And construct a true offense around said roster. I find it hard to believe Boals is so set in his 'create it if you got it' offense that he's willing to ride it into unemployment, but coaches are a weird breed.


This post just make me curious about the potential of bringing in a GM. Thought I saw that was a new position this year added to the football program (I may be mistaken but thought I came across their twitter awhile back). I think that's a way to combine Boals' recruiting skills with somebody who can dedicate 100% of their time towards roster construction and research.

Not sure that would be possible at this point in Boals' tenure but just has me thinking what direction the program is going to go in the post Boals era.


Even if we add a GM, the lack of development, offensive identity, and scheme still poise issues for Boals and his staff.

BLSS and others post advanced analytics on shot charts, lineup combos, etc, that are also available to our staff. Judging how we continue to play free willingly with no actual strategy, that data appears to be ignored. A lot needs to be fixed with this program.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 2:25:23 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.


I'm assuming that $239K went up due to the revenue share, unless that's being counted seperately from actual donations to the NIL pool.
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M.D.W.S.T
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 3:04:25 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.


Nice tidbits there.

We very much need a fresh set of eyes on roster construction. To this point I truly feel like we're recruiting the highest rated recruits we can get - to hell with roster construction. Most people just say Boals can't recruit, and that's not necessarily true. I just think he's relying too much on others data. And maybe thats a place where we just don't have the money to do needed diligence. I have to go find my old post, but Boals has rarely had a recruiting class outside the Top 2. He's either #1 or #2. The only year OU wasn't highly ranked was Clayton's class. Because he was the only HS signee. And that worked out pretty well. We tremendously need to turn previous logic on its head, because our biggest weakness is a lack of TEAM. A lack of ROLES. A lack of OFFENSIVE IDENTITY. And that starts with Boals. Can we teach an old dog new tricks? That's for Lars to figure out. Otherwise, it pains me to say... we can't ride with Boals and his Gus Macker offense anymore. We just can't. We need an identity. And construct a true offense around said roster. I find it hard to believe Boals is so set in his 'create it if you got it' offense that he's willing to ride it into unemployment, but coaches are a weird breed.


This post just make me curious about the potential of bringing in a GM. Thought I saw that was a new position this year added to the football program (I may be mistaken but thought I came across their twitter awhile back). I think that's a way to combine Boals' recruiting skills with somebody who can dedicate 100% of their time towards roster construction and research.

Not sure that would be possible at this point in Boals' tenure but just has me thinking what direction the program is going to go in the post Boals era.


Even if we add a GM, the lack of development, offensive identity, and scheme still poise issues for Boals and his staff.

BLSS and others post advanced analytics on shot charts, lineup combos, etc, that are also available to our staff. Judging how we continue to play free willingly with no actual strategy, that data appears to be ignored. A lot needs to be fixed with this program.


I REALLY need to understand more about this. There really is no way of asking, but I sincerely doubt we're better at this than they are - which leads me to where you are... they're ignoring it.

And I don't understand how. Or why. Other than quicksand. And fear.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 3:37:35 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.


When Julie Cromer left, she gave Boals a surprise gift -- ~$400K in unspent OBC funds. So, with this and more than $200K in donations, he had a pretty thick wallet to work with in retaining Pav and landing Simmons...and Breath...and Connors. Cough, cough.

(If Sheldon is getting ANY NIL funds, I'm renouncing my degree.)



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   Posted: 2/16/2026 5:20:36 PM 
SBH wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.


When Julie Cromer left, she gave Boals a surprise gift -- ~$400K in unspent OBC funds. So, with this and more than $200K in donations, he had a pretty thick wallet to work with in retaining Pav and landing Simmons...and Breath...and Connors. Cough, cough.

(If Sheldon is getting ANY NIL funds, I'm renouncing my degree.)





Breath who had white preppy frat boys dunking circles around him at fiami? If his NIL package included anything bigger than a Tim Horton gift card, Boals should already be on a final double-secret-probation over it.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 5:48:30 PM 
At every opportunity, our coach has bemoaned how he can't compete financially. Including after the Miami loss.

Almost every article fawning over Miami points out that they do not have the resources of top MAC spenders, like Toledo, Akron, and Ohio.

My communications degree that skirted almost all maths still helps me figure something isn't adding up.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 6:03:17 PM 
greencat wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
greencat wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
No I don't have exact dollar amounts - but I have compiled and seen estimates for the amount of $$ that COULD flow into the program. From a market analysis standpoint. And it isn't pretty. We're bottom 3 in the MAC and below almost every Horizon league school.

Again, not in actual dollars currently. In theoretical available dollars moving forward.

Athens Ohio is not the place to be in a spending competition.
It's a great place to be in a college atmosphere, picturesque landscape and good education competition.

We moved from the latter to the former.


How is Murray State doing in the NIL $$ department?

It's in a remote flat part of Kentucky, generic looking campus, a town much smaller than Athens.

Asking for a friend since they didn't have trouble paying to get 13 new players while also paying the previous coach over a million bucks to get lost.


I honestly don't know - I didn't do a market, demographic and alumni analysis of Murray. Maybe I should.


Since Murray dropped 115 points on Akron with a brand new staff and an all new roster, is there a way to factor in that 115 number into some sort of formula while you are working on it.

Here is the box score. Notice that Murray scored 68 on them in the 2nd half. Three more than we scored vs Akron in the entire game.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/g...



I lived in Murray for three years. What he says is true. Imagine a slightly more upscale Logan, and you've got Murray. Murray is in what's called the Purchase. This is the area added to Kentucky when President Jackson "purchased" the land from the Chickasaw Indian Tribe. The official name is the Jackson Purchase. Paducah is the "capital" of the Purchase. It is culturally very distinct from the rest of Kentucky. During the late rebellion it was by far the most rabid rebel area of Bluegrass State. My wife couldn't get into the social circles there because she wasn't eligible for the most prominent ladies group – the United Daughters of the Confederacy.

The only real industry in Murray is several car-fix-up joints that have a national reputation for taking wrecked cars and fixing them up for dealers to sell without a trace of their past collision history. This was actually written up in a national magazine (forget which one) when I lived there. It's a source of great civic pride. I doubt they contribute too much to the MSU NIL pile. Other than that, there's almost nothing there. Might be a few businesses in Paducah that would contribute NIL money. But, greencat, is essentially correct that if MSU can raise enough money to "hire" good players there's no excuse we can't unless we just refuse to the play the new "ringer-for-hire" game.

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   Posted: 2/16/2026 6:14:40 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
No I don't have exact dollar amounts - but I have compiled and seen estimates for the amount of $$ that COULD flow into the program. From a market analysis standpoint. And it isn't pretty. We're bottom 3 in the MAC and below almost every Horizon league school.

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You should share those, since you have them.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 6:15:00 PM 

Pete Chouteau wrote:
At every opportunity, our coach has bemoaned how he can't compete financially. Including after the Miami loss.

Almost every article fawning over Miami points out that they do not have the resources of top MAC spenders, like Toledo, Akron, and Ohio.

My communications degree that skirted almost all maths still helps me figure something isn't adding up.


Miami is not outspending Ohio. Toledo and Akron might be. Talked to someone in the profession a couple of weeks ago. Said everyone will tell you what everyone else is spending but not what they are spending. But triangulating different pieces of data he believes UMASS is tops in the MAC at $1.3M.

It's ironic that he says Toledo has more resources when Ohio took one of their players.
 

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   Posted: 2/16/2026 6:17:56 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


Think of it this way:

There are coaches in the MAC making over $300k less than Boals. Now imagine how it could spend $300k in payroll over the course of a 5 month season.
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   Posted: 2/16/2026 6:48:59 PM 
SBH wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
OK guys, I have no clue… Does anybody have a clue as to how much NIL money we have for basketball? I also don’t know, is there any way to get that information? Just asking for myself…haha


It's been confirmed based on a pretty close connection from a poster here that Simmons is making six figures. I assume use of the phrase six figures implies the low end.

That's all I know, but it gives you an interesting sense and helps calibrate a bit.


That's a jump from when Boals said - in confidence (apologies, coach), a few years ago - we couldn't bid $75K for a big. That was pre-Cornish. So my assumption was always that Ike was in that wheelhouse, and we couldn't offer it to anyone else. I've operated in the assumption our max cap is likely in that $100K area, and if it's all going to Simmons... I can't imagine we're spreading much more than $50K around.

If Simmons is making $100,000 I want to cry, but I'm also surprised we're playing in that sandbox. I doubt we having much more than $150K to play with. I would've said $100K at most. Maybe $200K if Simmons is indeed pulling down six figures.

We really need to get creative. I know we're trying, and when you're dealing with $100K you want to bring in a proven guy (12 / 6 at Toledo is pulling $100K?! good lord), but in all honesty, I'd rather see two D2 bigs getting $50K each and praying we struck gold.

$100K for me should buy more than 14 points, but maybe it doesn't.

Perhaps, the situation is crazier than I ever assumed.


I went to school with Simmons agent. He was a 6 figure signee -- no idea the amount. Pre-2024 portal cycle, I spoke with someone in the athletic department who mentioned at that time basketball program donations were previously at $239K.

That's all I have. I'm guessing it's gone up some since. Again, we're not flush but we aren't poor. It all comes down to how you spend and construct the roster. Having an offensive scheme would certainly help.

It might take a dip after this season if we keep going in the wrong direction.


When Julie Cromer left, she gave Boals a surprise gift -- ~$400K in unspent OBC funds. So, with this and more than $200K in donations, he had a pretty thick wallet to work with in retaining Pav and landing Simmons...and Breath...and Connors. Cough, cough.

(If Sheldon is getting ANY NIL funds, I'm renouncing my degree.)





This would explain how we were able to bring in two proven bigs at the D1 level this past portal cycle after whiffing the previous three.

Unfortunately for Boals and the program, the downward trend is going to evaporate the NIL budget faster than any lack of local businesses. Having upwards of $600K (but south of $1 million) to spend on a MAC roster that isn’t competitive and hovering .500 is pretty bleak.

Akron supposedly has a $1 million roster. Sure, $3OO-$400K is a sizable gap but not something that can’t be overcome with better roster construction and management.


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