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Now ask his agent if that ever happened. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,174 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 9:24:51 AM  That's not unusual, especially if the AD or other party thinks the agent is not acting in good faith. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,701 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 10:30:36 AM  Bobcat1996 wrote: "but the blame for the breakup seems more on her side than his." OCF- you are exactly correct!! This is all on her. I realize that this university isn't all about athletics like the SEC and Big 10 institutions. Coach Albin didn't leave for a large sum of money. He was totally disrespected time and time again. If the AD had permitted a man to walk out the door at one of those larger institutions, then that AD would be walking out the door right behind them. Not correct. And weird. Back to Top Scott Woods General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: On the banks of the Ohio, OH Post Count: 237 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 10:33:50 AM  What is this disrespect that people keep bringing up? Did she not say hello to him in the hallway? Talk bad about him behind his back to other coaches? Throw spitballs at him? Ignore him in front of others at staff meetings? Turn her back at him when he was asking her a question? Religion morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged. So enter that daily thou mayest grow in knowledge wisdom and love. So depart that daily thou mayest better serve thy fellowmen thy country and thy God. Back to Top cbarber357 General User Member Since: 9/9/2012 Location: Pickerington, OH Post Count: 923 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 11:50:02 AM  Scott Woods wrote: What is this disrespect that people keep bringing up? Did she not say hello to him in the hallway? Talk bad about him behind his back to other coaches? Throw spitballs at him? Ignore him in front of others at staff meetings? Turn her back at him when he was asking her a question? I’ve yet to see a single example of the “disrespect” people keep bringing up. Unless anybody has an example I’m starting to think a lot of people on this board just wouldn’t be comfortable having a woman as a boss. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 1:16:00 PM  I believe that the "disrespect" is not getting back to Tim in time with a counter-offer. I don't think that was disrespect, though, so much as just the time it takes to get approval for such an offer. I think it's time to move on from this. Let's hope that a year from now, there is a successful Brian Smith leading Ohio to at least one P5 win, yet another 10 win season, and a back to back MACC, and that Tim is successful in Charlotte as well. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,911 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 1:26:09 PM  I suspect it wasn't the timing of a counter, but that Albin wanted a new contract that made him the highest paid coach in the league. I think Billy at one point alluded to the fact that Cromer had been dragging her feet negotiating a new deal. It seems likely that during the season Albin asked to be compensated like the best coach in the MAC, and the university balked at the idea of negotiating against itself and offering a new deal for the second time in 12 months. Albin decided that was disrespectful, and here we are. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,138 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 1:58:59 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: It seems likely that during the season Albin asked to be compensated like the best coach in the MAC, and the university balked at the idea of negotiating against itself and offering a new deal for the second time in 12 months. TA's last renegotiation was after 2022 season, a contract signed 3/2023. What he was then seeking was a new contract after another 2 successful seasons had past which is reasonable considering how far back the salary had dropped relative to other MAC coaches. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,009 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 2:01:59 PM  SBH wrote: That's not unusual, especially if the AD or other party thinks the agent is not acting in good faith. Why have an agent in today's college world if they aren't permitted in the room? She wanted to control everything. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,009 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 2:23:11 PM  TWT wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: It seems likely that during the season Albin asked to be compensated like the best coach in the MAC, and the university balked at the idea of negotiating against itself and offering a new deal for the second time in 12 months. TA's last renegotiation was after 2022 season, a contract signed 3/2023. What he was then seeking was a new contract after another 2 successful seasons had past which is reasonable considering how far back the salary had dropped relative to other MAC coaches. No BL Sense of Shame he did not want to be compensated like the the best coach in the MAC. He just wanted to be treated with respect and dignity that he deserved. No way should Coach Albin have been the 6th highest paid coach in the league after what he accomplished his first three seasons. One would think that the administration would appreciate and value a head coach who had served a total of 20 years at your institution in some sort of capacity. A head coach who attended MAC swimming Meet and volunteered as a timer. A head coach who attended soccer, baseball, volleyball and softball games and encouraged his players to attend those events. If you look at his salary in Charlotte then you will see he wasn't asking for a ton more than what he was paid in Athens. Also take note, his staff will get about 550 plus k more down south than what they were paid in Athens. If Coach Albin was all about the money he would have asked for more in Charlotte and his staff would get less. The team lost a trainer in the summer that was never replaced. Many people do not know that. This administration evidently wanted to remove itself from Frank Solich and all his ties. It is just baffling! The administration started these contract talks in June and kept dragging them on. She was banking on 5-6 wins with all the portal departures to power four programs. It came back to bite her. Last Edited: 12/15/2024 2:27:11 PM by Bobcat1996 Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,009 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 2:45:31 PM  "I’ve yet to see a single example of the “disrespect” people keep bringing up." Cbarber- Imagine that you just accomplished something that had never occurred at your place of work. Something that hasn't happened in the entire time your business has been in operation. You had been an employee for 20 years. Then you see that new staffers at your business are getting rewarded considerably more than you and they have not worked one day at their job. Imagine that when you and your employer sat down to discuss your contract, they kept putting you off because they didn't value your work. Your employer thought that what you accomplished didn't deserve much of a raise at the time and they were going to see if you would fall flat on your face the next year. I don't know about you, but I would feel not valued at my place of work. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,174 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 2:53:17 PM  So this whole scenario happened in the minutes after the title game? Nope...he had already signed w Charlotte. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,911 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 3:12:03 PM  TWT wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: It seems likely that during the season Albin asked to be compensated like the best coach in the MAC, and the university balked at the idea of negotiating against itself and offering a new deal for the second time in 12 months. TA's last renegotiation was after 2022 season, a contract signed 3/2023. What he was then seeking was a new contract after another 2 successful seasons had past which is reasonable considering how far back the salary had dropped relative to other MAC coaches. The timeline I'm suggesting would be more like a season and a half. And Bobcat1996 says the contract talks began in June, which means before this season began. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,911 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 3:23:01 PM  Bobcat1996 wrote: "I’ve yet to see a single example of the “disrespect” people keep bringing up." Cbarber- Imagine that you just accomplished something that had never occurred at your place of work. Something that hasn't happened in the entire time your business has been in operation. You had been an employee for 20 years. Then you see that new staffers at your business are getting rewarded considerably more than you and they have not worked one day at their job. Imagine that when you and your employer sat down to discuss your contract, they kept putting you off because they didn't value your work. Your employer thought that what you accomplished didn't deserve much of a raise at the time and they were going to see if you would fall flat on your face the next year. I don't know about you, but I would feel not valued at my place of work. Your own explanation of the disrespect jumps around in time so much that it's pretty hard to make sense of. Albin has signed with Charlotte before he won a MACC. That's very clear and basically indisputable. So no explanation of the "disrespect" that includes "accomplishing something that had never occurred" is relevant. That's just revisionism. If the extent of the disrespect is that Cromer didn't offer a new contact in discussions that began before this season, that seems pretty weak to me. We had a good year in 2023. We also didn't win our conference, or even play for a chance to. I fail to see why asking an employee to work on the contract they signed for two years is some massive slap in the face. Albin needs to take some responsibility, no? He signed two contracts that you seem to feel he felt were insulting. Why did he sign them? Because he was being paid the market rate for his services, and what changes that is success. He would have gotten more if he stuck around, but instead he chose to be insulted that our AD wanted to see continued success. I mean for Christ's sake you're claiming he wasn't treated with "dignity". He was the University's second highest paid employee. He made more than the President. And he got an offer that matched Charlotte's in the end. Just complete nonsense. You're acting like he was a sharecropper. Dignity. Get a grip. Last Edited: 12/15/2024 3:29:49 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame Back to Top cbarber357 General User Member Since: 9/9/2012 Location: Pickerington, OH Post Count: 923 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 3:45:55 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: "I’ve yet to see a single example of the “disrespect” people keep bringing up." Cbarber- Imagine that you just accomplished something that had never occurred at your place of work. Something that hasn't happened in the entire time your business has been in operation. You had been an employee for 20 years. Then you see that new staffers at your business are getting rewarded considerably more than you and they have not worked one day at their job. Imagine that when you and your employer sat down to discuss your contract, they kept putting you off because they didn't value your work. Your employer thought that what you accomplished didn't deserve much of a raise at the time and they were going to see if you would fall flat on your face the next year. I don't know about you, but I would feel not valued at my place of work. Your own explanation of the disrespect jumps around in time so much that it's pretty hard to make sense of. Albin has signed with Charlotte before he won a MACC. That's very clear and basically indisputable. So no explanation of the "disrespect" that includes "accomplishing something that had never occurred" is relevant. That's just revisionism. If the extent of the disrespect is that Cromer didn't offer a new contact in discussions that began before this season, that seems pretty weak to me. We had a good year in 2023. We also didn't win our conference, or even play for a chance to. I fail to see why asking an employee to work on the contract they signed for two years is some massive slap in the face. Albin needs to take some responsibility, no? He signed two contracts that you seem to feel he felt were insulting. Why did he sign them? Because he was being paid the market rate for his services, and what changes that is success. He would have gotten more if he stuck around, but instead he chose to be insulted that our AD wanted to see continued success. I mean for Christ's sake you're claiming he wasn't treated with "dignity". He was the University's second highest paid employee. He made more than the President. And he got an offer that matched Charlotte's in the end. Just complete nonsense. You're acting like he was a sharecropper. Dignity. Get a grip. Yeah, it was confirmed he signed with Charlotte before the MACC by them at the presser. Others seemingly in the know here claim Albin was also offered $1.1 million by OU BEFORE the MACC. He just played himself and signed a worse deal if that is true. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,470 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 4:26:50 PM  Condensing this whole debate down to it's simplest points, ones on which everyone seems to agree: 1. Albin thought that, based on winning ten last year, and making a competitive team despite huge losses to the portal, he deserved a raise. 2. Some people disagreed. They believed that he did not deserve a raise, at least not before winning the MACC. 3. Charlotte was willing to offer Albin a job and a raise even before winning the MACC, so he accepted the offer. 4. Albin's new salary, while a raise, was not a huge raise over his prior pay, and is less than his predecessor at Charlotte was being paid, and is in the bottom half of the AAC 5. Cromer did finally make him an offer, one that was greater than the offer he accepted from Charlotte, but the offer was made too late, after he had already accepted the job at Charlotte It doesn't matter if you are in the camp that didn't think he deserved a raise, or in the camp that thinks he did. It doesn't matter if you think Albin was unreasonable in what he wanted to be paid, or you think he just wanted some kind of a raise in recognition of his achievements. Either way, it's done, and it's time to move on. Let's hope that Ohio acts decisively and wisely in choosing his replacement, and that Albin is successful in Charlotte. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,138 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 4:49:21 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: TWT wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: It seems likely that during the season Albin asked to be compensated like the best coach in the MAC, and the university balked at the idea of negotiating against itself and offering a new deal for the second time in 12 months. TA's last renegotiation was after 2022 season, a contract signed 3/2023. What he was then seeking was a new contract after another 2 successful seasons had past which is reasonable considering how far back the salary had dropped relative to other MAC coaches. The timeline I'm suggesting would be more like a season and a half. And Bobcat1996 says the contract talks began in June, which means before this season began. The review was based on 2023 & 2024 performance. 3/2023 was 2 months after the 2022 season ended. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,911 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 5:08:33 PM  TWT wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: TWT wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: It seems likely that during the season Albin asked to be compensated like the best coach in the MAC, and the university balked at the idea of negotiating against itself and offering a new deal for the second time in 12 months. TA's last renegotiation was after 2022 season, a contract signed 3/2023. What he was then seeking was a new contract after another 2 successful seasons had past which is reasonable considering how far back the salary had dropped relative to other MAC coaches. The timeline I'm suggesting would be more like a season and a half. And Bobcat1996 says the contract talks began in June, which means before this season began. The review was based on 2023 & 2024 performance. 3/2023 was 2 months after the 2022 season ended. Sorry, I must just not be following. Which review? Albin signed a new contract in 3/23. Bobcat1996 is saying that Albin and Cromer started discussing a new deal 6/24. Only one season passed, and any other discussions were based on the 2023 season and a partial '24 season. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,138 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 5:29:39 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: TWT wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: TWT wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: It seems likely that during the season Albin asked to be compensated like the best coach in the MAC, and the university balked at the idea of negotiating against itself and offering a new deal for the second time in 12 months. TA's last renegotiation was after 2022 season, a contract signed 3/2023. What he was then seeking was a new contract after another 2 successful seasons had past which is reasonable considering how far back the salary had dropped relative to other MAC coaches. The timeline I'm suggesting would be more like a season and a half. And Bobcat1996 says the contract talks began in June, which means before this season began. The review was based on 2023 & 2024 performance. 3/2023 was 2 months after the 2022 season ended. Sorry, I must just not be following. Which review? Albin signed a new contract in 3/23. Bobcat1996 is saying that Albin and Cromer started discussing a new deal 6/24. Only one season passed, and any other discussions were based on the 2023 season and a partial '24 season. Started discussing 6/24 and then was evaluating during the 2024 season. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Mike Coleman Administrator Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Near the Pristine Sandy Shores of Lake Erie, OH Post Count: 1,623 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/15/2024 8:19:31 PM  By Cromer waiting, or stalling as some see it, she added another season onto the end of the contract with Win #8 and therefore added another $700,000 to the buyout. Is this correct? Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,009 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/16/2024 5:48:20 AM  L.C. wrote: Condensing this whole debate down to it's simplest points, ones on which everyone seems to agree: 1. Albin thought that, based on winning ten last year, and making a competitive team despite huge losses to the portal, he deserved a raise. 2. Some people disagreed. They believed that he did not deserve a raise, at least not before winning the MACC. 3. Charlotte was willing to offer Albin a job and a raise even before winning the MACC, so he accepted the offer. 4. Albin's new salary, while a raise, was not a huge raise over his prior pay, and is less than his predecessor at Charlotte was being paid, and is in the bottom half of the AAC 5. Cromer did finally make him an offer, one that was greater than the offer he accepted from Charlotte, but the offer was made too late, after he had already accepted the job at Charlotte It doesn't matter if you are in the camp that didn't think he deserved a raise, or in the camp that thinks he did. It doesn't matter if you think Albin was unreasonable in what he wanted to be paid, or you think he just wanted some kind of a raise in recognition of his achievements. Either way, it's done, and it's time to move on. Let's hope that Ohio acts decisively and wisely in choosing his replacement, and that Albin is successful in Charlotte. Coach Albin turned down the Rice job for way more than what he would have made at Ohio and Charlotte. Rice wanted him immediately and he wasn't going to do that. The AD knew about his Rice offer several days before the Ball St. game. The administration still didn't come up with a contract for Coach Albin. Charlotte gave him a deadline a day or two before the MAC game in Detroit. The administration had ample time to get things locked up for the top coach in the conference. This administration will find it very difficult to locate a coach who will win 10 games in three consecutive seasons. The administration kept stalling and it came back to bite them!!! Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,174 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/16/2024 6:48:35 AM  The Rice offer? Is this fiction? Put yourself in the shoes of the AD, who has a very tight budget and must be concerned with the optics of putting lots of money into coaches' wallets. If, as you say, the renegotiation began in June of 2024, would you have been inclined to give Albin a major increase in the wake of him losing one-third of his team - and 80% of his offensive production - to the portal? Does he not bear ANY responsibility for these losses? Why did Miami not experience the same? Would it have made sense to give him a major increase after losing at Syracuse? After an embarrassing loss to Kentucky? The no-show at Miami? There would have been an outcry in every case. Back to Top Mike Coleman Administrator Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Near the Pristine Sandy Shores of Lake Erie, OH Post Count: 1,623 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/16/2024 6:52:50 AM  I'm not sure admitting Albin was interviewing/flying all over the country to places like Houston, Charlotte and Tulsa while the team was preparing a title run is going to be the own that was intended. I see Freeman at Notre Dame was extended yesterday, AFTER the team qualified for the playoff. Guess they should fire the AD. Back to Top Mike Coleman Administrator Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Near the Pristine Sandy Shores of Lake Erie, OH Post Count: 1,623 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/16/2024 7:45:21 AM  Imagine the disrespect BYU’s coach felt not getting an extension til a full week after their regular season was over. Guess there will be another AD spot open. https://www.si.com/college/byu/football/byu-announces-lon... Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,009 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Julie    Posted: 12/16/2024 8:07:10 AM  SBH wrote: The Rice offer? Is this fiction? Put yourself in the shoes of the AD, who has a very tight budget and must be concerned with the optics of putting lots of money into coaches' wallets. If, as you say, the renegotiation began in June of 2024, would you have been inclined to give Albin a major increase in the wake of him losing one-third of his team - and 80% of his offensive production - to the portal? Does he not bear ANY responsibility for these losses? Why did Miami not experience the same? Would it have made sense to give him a major increase after losing at Syracuse? After an embarrassing loss to Kentucky? The no-show at Miami? There would have been an outcry in every case. Yes the Rice offer is fiction and the AD knew it because she was made aware of it. He wasn’t flying all over the country. Some universities will even travel to meet you for an interview if they want you to coach for that institution. The guy wasn’t all about money because Rice would have paid him way more than he would make in Athens or Charlotte. Just face the facts if you are a Ohio University football supporter or fan you just lost the best coach in the MAC. You also lost everything that Frank Solich built in the last 20 years. You can thank the administration. 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