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Bobcats1212
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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 2:33:23 PM

Cats5 wrote:

https://x.com/_agent49/status/1867276239431467468?s=46&t=...

Official contract for Timmy and Charlotte

$1,805,000 for assistants. That's a huge increase for assistants not really that much for Tim as his base is only $900,000.

Last Edited: 12/12/2024 2:36:37 PM by Bobcats1212

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 3:01:19 PM

Bobcats1212 wrote:

Cats5 wrote:

https://x.com/_agent49/status/1867276239431467468?s=46&t=...

Official contract for Timmy and Charlotte

$1,805,000 for assistants. That's a huge increase for assistants not really that much for Tim as his base is only $900,000.

It's actually paycut from Biff Poggi's staff who made more than $1.91 million!

Source:
https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/as...

Albin is also making less in base pay than Poggi and is LAST of reported base salaries in the AAC (no reporting from Tulsa or Tulane).

It would also put him FOURTH in the MAC.

There's gotta be something to this. Gotta be. Maybe heavy on incentives.

If being sixth best paid in the MAC ate at him so much, he can't possibly be leaving to be the last paid coach in another G5 conference?

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 3:20:21 PM

Mike Coleman wrote:

Bobcats1212 wrote:

Cats5 wrote:

https://x.com/_agent49/status/1867276239431467468?s=46&t=...

Official contract for Timmy and Charlotte

$1,805,000 for assistants. That's a huge increase for assistants not really that much for Tim as his base is only $900,000.

"Athletic Incentives:

Coach will be rewarded for successful competition during regular season play as follows:

i. Final Top 25 AP $75,000
ii. CFP Ranking Each win over a Power 4 Team $25,000

In any year that the football team participates in a postseason game or playoff, Coach will receive supplemental compensation as follows:

i. Conference Championship Game Appearance $ 50,000
ii. Conference Championship Game Win $ 50,000
iii. At-Large Bowl Selection $ 75,000
iv. College Football Playoff (CFP) Selection $ 250,000
v. New Year�s Six Bowl Selection as top Group of 5 representative (non-CFP) $ 100,000
vi. Each CFP Round advanced an additional $ 250,000
vii. CFP National Championship Appearance $ 1,000,000
viii. National Championship Win $ 1,500,000
ix. Conference Coach of the Year $ 25,000
x. National Coach of the Year $ 50,000
(iv) and (vi) above are cumulative if (vii) is not achieved. If (vii) and/or (viii) above are achieved then the CFP bonuses shall be non-cumulative."

The Incentives aren't that much.

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 3:44:44 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

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Let�s see how the bowl game goes. If Smith can get them to play the way they did in the Mac championship game. I would give it to him.

So you give him a 2 year contract that is to be evaluated? He does well, give him a lil raise and a rollover of ONE year if he wins 8 games? Let�s see how many folks jump at that deal.

That sounds familiar BTC! Doubt many will be doing cartwheels for that type of deal.

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 4:06:32 PM

Bobcats1212 wrote:

Cats5 wrote:

https://x.com/_agent49/status/1867276239431467468?s=46&t=...

Official contract for Timmy and Charlotte

$1,805,000 for assistants. That's a huge increase for assistants not really that much for Tim as his base is only $900,000.

The Bobcat total on assistants was about $1.243 million. Coach Albin more than likely took less for himself to get $550,000 plus more for his staff. Doesn't surprise me.

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 4:12:36 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Bobcats1212 wrote:

Cats5 wrote:

https://x.com/_agent49/status/1867276239431467468?s=46&t=...

Official contract for Timmy and Charlotte

$1,805,000 for assistants. That's a huge increase for assistants not really that much for Tim as his base is only $900,000.

The Bobcat total on assistants was about $1.243 million. Coach Albin more than likely took less for himself to get $550,000 plus more for his staff. Doesn't surprise me.

He actually also got $100,000 less for the staff than the previous Charlotte coach did.

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Posted: 12/12/2024 4:16:47 PM

No wonder Mike Hill was all smiles. He just got a great coach and staff for $200,000 less than Biff, who wasn't even a coach when he was hired. He was literally an analyst, a chubby Conor Stallions.

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 4:57:35 PM

L.C. wrote:

Rufusbobcat94 wrote:

L.C. wrote:

The problem with hiring Brian Smith is that he will only be a 2-3 year coach, and then he'll be gone to P4. The good news is that there will probably be another MACC in there.

That is interesting-what leads you to believe that? It could very well be 2-3 years but long-term fit is also a concern for sure. I guess university folks might be able to gauge that better?

I wouldn't really have an issue with 2-3 years if we kept one of the great coaches we have like Faanes or Hauser and groom them to succeed smith.

The reason is that I'm impressed with him, and with the job he did. For example, in addition to his prior offensive tutors, he picked up the Albin-Solich concepts, and used them in his arsenal. His play calling totally destroyed Miami. What were they going to do when Ohio was scoring every time they got the ball, and taking 8-18 minutes to do so? I think he can pick up when Albin left off, and make Ohio even better. But, the problem with that is that it will quickly attract attention. As a lot younger coach than Albin, and as a better spokesman, the P4 will be all over him in no time, if he wins.

Note, also, that there are no players in the portal, and no assistants have left. That's proof that the program can continue just fine under Smith. Hire him.

Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense, your thoughts for the 2-3 years. I think Smith certainly can be.

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 6:02:24 PM

Billy, later on I believe I showed that I changed my feeling on that. It just makes sense that the A.D. and the administration have to structure a contract that works for both parties. I don�t really know what that is. I also think they should hire him immediately and not wait until after the bowl game.

I also believe with that extra money for Assistants he will try to take some of the bobcat Assistants with him. They will get more money there.

Last Edited: 12/12/2024 6:04:37 PM by Casper71

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 7:42:04 PM

Mike Coleman wrote:

Well, he didn't leave for money. So, why did he leave? I have to end up back at the theory that there was friction with at least someone above him. That usually is why people leave jobs.

BillyTheCat wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

Let�s see how the bowl game goes. If Smith can get them to play the way they did in the Mac championship game. I would give it to him.

So you give him a 2 year contract that is to be evaluated? He does well, give him a lil raise and a rollover of ONE year if he wins 8 games? Let�s see how many folks jump at that deal.

The fact that he apparently won't be offered the job unless they win the bowl speaks volumes about the level of their confidence in him, and in the staff. If that's all the better they can do, he should join Albin in Charlotte.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 8:17:55 PM

L.C. wrote:

Do we know that this is the case? He is going to be offered the job if he wins but not if he loses?

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 9:04:13 PM

Victory wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Do we know that this is the case? He is going to be offered the job if he wins but not if he loses?

I think Smith seems like a great choice, but they would be dumb not to interview others/take some time to talk to players and see how Smith leads as THE guy. This isn�t the same situation where Solich had to medically retire in the offseason.

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 9:28:56 PM

cbarber357 wrote:

Victory wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Do we know that this is the case? He is going to be offered the job if he wins but not if he loses?

Exactly. If Smith is hired outside of policy, and he doesn't do well, it could cost her a job. There�s already enough heat about Albin, right or wrong. Hope she chooses Smith but I don't think the delay is because we are waiting to see how the bowl game goes. Smith certainly didn't seem too worried about it.

It is probably going through a headhunter who will recommend a pool of candidates among the applicants.

We owe it to look at everyone. Like we�re just going to throw away Mike Mitchell�s resume? That would hardly be good for the program long-term. Guys like that need to be involved.

Last Edited: 12/12/2024 9:29:54 PM by Mike Coleman

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/12/2024 11:27:57 PM

Victory wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Do we know that this is the case? He is going to be offered the job if he wins but not if he loses?

If they were going to offer it to him regardless of the outcome, wouldn't they have offered it to him already? I don't think that it is safe to conclude that they will offer it to him if he wins, but I do think it is a likely guess that he won't be offered if he loses.

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Posted: 12/13/2024 12:14:37 PM

No idea if this is true of Ohio University, but often times large organizations/public institutions have pretty specific requirements around interviewing and process. Could be that there's a process that needs to be followed, even if they know their guy.

Given that there hasn't been a mass exodus to the portal, I am far more onboard with running a process to make sure we get the right person. Without seeing the list of candidates, I'd probably lean Smith. But we should do our due diligence if there's no pressing need to move fast.

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Posted: 12/13/2024 12:22:01 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Smith's evaluation is based, in part, on how the team responds in preparation for the bowl game, not just the final score. So far Coach Smith has checked a couple of boxes. A poised, confident post-practice presser being one and not having a mass-exodus to the portal another. So far, so good, I'd say.

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Posted: 12/14/2024 8:58:36 AM

If not Smith or Hauser then who? I just read about Nick Toth remaining at AF. I would have wanted to talk to him, maybe a Kevin Carberry?
I mean have there been any names mentioned that are having discussions?

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Posted: 12/14/2024 11:04:59 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I am positive OU has this sort of policy in place for many positions with close family having gone through it, no idea if it carries into athletics.

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Posted: 12/14/2024 12:14:05 PM

My wife is responsible for hiring in her unit and I asked her about this. She said that new head of HR isn�t a big fan of them, but a hiring waiver will be used in instances like this to bypass the normal hiring process.

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Posted: 12/14/2024 2:05:43 PM

Deland McCullough recently followed Cromer on X so I�d imagine he is in play.

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Posted: 12/14/2024 2:29:35 PM

Worth a watch.

https://www.nbcsports.com/watch/college-football/notre-da...

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/14/2024 7:33:47 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

....
Given that there hasn't been a mass exodus to the portal, I am far more onboard with running a process to make sure we get the right person. Without seeing the list of candidates, I'd probably lean Smith. But we should do our due diligence if there's no pressing need to move fast.

This seems backwards to me. I would have said "Given that there hasn't been a mass exodus to the portal, it shows that we are probably on the right track. There is a pressing need to move fast, because, since players have not yet entered the portal, we have a unique opportunity to make a coaching change quickly enough that we end up losing few if any players in a coaching change, something that rarely happens.

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/15/2024 1:55:29 PM

"Exactly. If Smith is hired outside of policy, and he doesn't do well, it could cost her a job. There�s already enough heat about Albin, right or wrong"

MC- if this institution was more football focused then it would have already cost her. I imagine if this happened in the SEC/Big 10, she would already be gone.

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Posted: 12/15/2024 2:02:41 PM

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Deland McCullough recently followed Cromer on X so I�d imagine he is in play.

I�m wary of hiring anyone who hasn�t spent at least some coordinator time in the MAC. I realize he played at Miami, and maybe it doesn�t matter to some of you, but I think people should have a clear understanding of what they�re getting into� culture wise, facilities, money� we�re a far cry from Notre Dame. One of things I liked about Tim was his clear direction and vision in putting together a strong, consistent MAC football team. No easy task. Frank built a culture. He built a program. He grinded to find gems. Tim (and staff) kept it going and improved it. You�re not gonna get 4 and 5 stars knocking down your door. You have to go out and find unheralded 1 or 2 stars and develop them. Feel like a culture shock is looming if you go outside the program.

My guy is still Brian. It would be sad to see him go. DM would be an interesting pick, one that may work out, but I never wanted to be the program who gave outside head coaches their first gig. Brian is different bc he�s here and been an associate HC at three stops. I don�t feel he�d bounce at the first new gig. I guess you can�t worry about that these days, but I do. Culture, consistency is why we�ve been so good. OU has in large part missed the ups and downs other programs deal with, bc we don�t shake it up. We just evolve, reload, and keep it moving forward.

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RE: Possible Coaching Candidates

Posted: 12/15/2024 3:01:58 PM

+1� come on, get this done!

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