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Topic:  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:33:29 AM 
Bobcat8811 wrote:
Illinois will need to win the Big 10 to even sniff a tourney bid -- at least the NCAA version.



How do you figure? Seven Big 10 teams made the tourny this year. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:34:06 AM 
I think it may be better that Groce left Ohio now with the cupboard full. It makes it a very attractive job for an upcoming coaching talent.  For coaching prospects, we are going to have first choice.  Then Miami gets the left overs to replace Coles.    We have the turn-key operation for next year versus a complete project rebuild.  A good coaching prospect should be able to get his feet on the ground letting these guys do what they've been doing for 2-3 years and leverage the recent press into restocking with new recruits.  He takes these guys back to the NCAA next year, and he's established his footing to bring good players in for 2013+.

It can be done. Stan Heath took Kent to the Elite Eight with Gary Waters' team...the hardest part's been done.  Hopefully, Ohio sets up a contract so the new coach doesn't bolt at the end of next season like Heath did.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:35:50 AM 
I agree with Bobcat8811. The main point, which many responders missed, is that he had everyone back next year. This provided a rare chance to do something very memorable from a personal standpoint. And each and every year there are significant head coaching jobs that open up and he could very well get an excellent job next year, too. It isn't like becoming the head coach at Illinois is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Yes, Groce would make a lot more money next year, but the special situation at Ohio next season would make one more year in Athens worth it as a coach.

Also, the basketball world is littered with the mid-major coaches who were successful for a couple years at their schools, moved up to the big time at schools who weren't the traditional powers in their BCS-type conference, then were unemployed maybe three years later after they failed to win their league titles.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:41:59 AM 
People are only as loyal as their options.

Although it is disheartening to see Groce go, the opportunity opened for him, and he took it, and very few of us can honestly say we do it differently.  People will bring up Butler and VCU, but the facts are that those schools can offer things that, for whatever reason, we can't (7-figure salaries, multiple-bid conferences, etc.)

Having said that, I do think he cashed his chips in a season too soon!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:42:50 AM 
Bobcat110 wrote:

Yes...it very well may be great year...but Groce was one Akron FG away from the NIT...that means no Sweet Sixteen run and no OT game versus UNC and no $7 million contract from Illinois.  We can talk about the birds in the bush all day long, but when the MAC is a one bid conference, there's no way he gamble away the $7 million check in his hand hoping that we survive injuries, academic eligibility, avoiding an upset in the MAC tournament, a defeat in the first round of the NCAA...too many variables.  


So, let me get this straight... you'll accuse others of "talking about the birds in the bush" when it suits your purposes, but then turn around and do a whole lot o' "what ifs" yourself. The fact is, Akron DID miss the FG, which, coincidentally, is in the mold of the same kind of close finishes that decide, oh at least 90 percent of all games every played, anywhere, and any time. 

Yes, there are risks involved in staying at OU (just as there would be going to Illinois -- what if, say, your starting five trips and breaks their legs next season?) but when you preach loyalty and sacrifice, and your star player makes some big sacrifices to stay in Athens, well... pardon some of us for not throwing roses at our departing coach. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:45:50 AM 
8811, one thing you'll learn about this board is that a certain segment will pounce on anyone who expresses an opinion that they don't consider "realistic" enough or that might smack of a little bit of Romanticism or even old- fashioned loyalty. Some will even turn loyalty, or too much of it, into a bad thing.   If you don't believe that all things revolve around the almighty dollar, you are a pollyanna and therefore a worthy target of scorn. It makes one wonder if many of these folks are followers of Charles Beard, a great American historian you felt that even the Founding Fathers were motivated more by personal economic gain than by philosophy, religion and the advancing of abstract concepts such as freedom and liberty.  Save for the issue of slavery, which was our national disgrace and everlasting shame, I daresay I don't buy the Beardian approach.  That's why I'm in the minority on this board.  While I don't agree with many aspects of your post, I have expressed the opinion that Groce used a lot of misdirection in claiming his great love for Athens as he was plotting his escape.  For that the above mentioned posse got after me good a few days ago.  Welcome to the BA beatdown club!  

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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:46:06 AM 

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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:49:21 AM 
DXer wrote:
I agree with Bobcat8811. The main point, which many responders missed, is that he had everyone back next year. This provided a rare chance to do something very memorable from a personal standpoint. And each and every year there are significant head coaching jobs that open up and he could very well get an excellent job next year, too. It isn't like becoming the head coach at Illinois is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Yes, Groce would make a lot more money next year, but the special situation at Ohio next season would make one more year in Athens worth it as a coach.

Also, the basketball world is littered with the mid-major coaches who were successful for a couple years at their schools, moved up to the big time at schools who weren't the traditional powers in their BCS-type conference, then were unemployed maybe three years later after they failed to win their league titles.


Yes...it very well may be great year...but Groce was one Akron FG away from the NIT...that means no Sweet Sixteen run and no OT game versus UNC and no $7 million contract from Illinois.  We can talk about the birds in the bush all day long, but when the MAC is a one bid conference, there's no way he gamble away the $7 million check in his hand hoping that we survive injuries, academic eligibility, avoiding an upset in the MAC tournament, a defeat in the first round of the NCAA...too many variables.  

Also, his best finish was 3rd in the MAC....he got a $7 million check on a team that got hot down the stretch, but finished 3rd in the MAC East.  I love Ohio, drive my family nuts about it, and it'd be the hardest thing walking into the Ohio locker room and facing the team, but I can't see passing up millions.  It's not even close.  Sucks that the NCAA discrepancies are so much...Thad Matta flat out lied to Xavier when he moved to OSU.  Ugly reality of college sports now and why love to see the BCS teams lose.

Last Edited: 4/1/2012 12:57:34 AM by Bobcat110

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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:49:41 AM 
crackerbaby00 wrote:


I would def be upset and would take it much worse that DJ has (at least publicly):

Can't get mad at someone for living their dream! Everybody tryna get to the top.



As with Groce, I will take actions over words. Let's see now if DJ stays or goes.

And yeah, maybe so many are trying to get to the top, but some still manage to show a little loyalty and sacrifice now and then.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:49:47 AM 
DXer wrote:
I agree with Bobcat8811.It isn't like becoming the head coach at Illinois is a once in a lifetime opportunity..


I understand why a lot of people have this belief, but Groce's explanation about this opportunity satisfied me.  He grew up less than 100 miles from Illinois and grew up watching Big 10 basketball.  He said it was a dream of his to coach in the Big 10 ever since he got into coaching.  In addition, Illinois has a chance to be a top program nationally, let alone in the Big 10.  Honestly, as I told a number of friends before our game against Michigan, I felt that Illinois was the only school he would leave for this year.  I didnt think that he would even be offered as I saw his name way down the list for the job, but we all know what happened with that.

I expected him to leave next year, but when the Illinois job was offered to him, I pretty much knew he was gone.  Do I wish he had stayed? Of course! And as some have mentioned, we are in a much better position with him leaving this year as opposed to next year after we lose DJ, Ivo, Walt, and Reg.



Edit:  I just wanted to add that I don't believe Groce would have left for any Big 10 job, but that Illinois, as one of the top programs historically in the conference, was too good for him to pass up.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:50:16 AM 
DXer wrote:
I agree with Bobcat8811. The main point, which many responders missed, is that he had everyone back next year. This provided a rare chance to do something very memorable from a personal standpoint. And each and every year there are significant head coaching jobs that open up and he could very well get an excellent job next year, too. It isn't like becoming the head coach at Illinois is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Yes, Groce would make a lot more money next year, but the special situation at Ohio next season would make one more year in Athens worth it as a coach.

Also, the basketball world is littered with the mid-major coaches who were successful for a couple years at their schools, moved up to the big time at schools who weren't the traditional powers in their BCS-type conference, then were unemployed maybe three years later after they failed to win their league titles.


Boom, and boom! Thank you for actually comprehending what I had to say. In fact you probably said it better than I did.

And let me ask all those who disagree with me one question: if you were DJ Cooper, how would you feel right now? Would you not feel at least a little angry and betrayed? You could've bolted for the bigger school, but you stayed at OU out of a sense of loyalty and fair play. And again, with the ENTIRE team returning for one last shot at glory, wouldn't you expect at LEAST the same from your coach? Is one more year really too much to ask? That's why I just don't get the attitudes of some people towards Groce. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:52:49 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
8811, one thing you'll learn about this board is that a certain segment will pounce on anyone who expresses an opinion that they don't consider "realistic" enough or that might smack of a little bit of Romanticism or even old- fashioned loyalty. Some will even turn loyalty, or too much of it, into a bad thing.   If you don't believe that all things revolve around the almighty dollar, you are a pollyanna and therefore a worthy target of scorn. It makes one wonder if many of these folks are followers of Charles Beard, a great American historian you felt that even the Founding Fathers were motivated more by personal economic gain than by philosophy, religion and the advancing of abstract concepts such as freedom and liberty.  Save for the issue of slavery, which was our national disgrace and everlasting shame, I daresay I don't buy the Beardian approach.  That's why I'm in the minority on this board.  While I don't agree with many aspects of your post, I have expressed the opinion that Groce used a lot of misdirection in claiming his great love for Athens as he was plotting his escape.  For that the above mentioned posse got after me good a few days ago.  Welcome to the BA beatdown club!  




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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:56:00 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
While I don't agree with many aspects of your post, I have expressed the opinion that Groce used a lot of misdirection in claiming his great love for Athens as he was plotting his escape.  For that the above mentioned posse got after me good a few days ago.  Welcome to the BA beatdown club!  


Fairly stated! Whatever else, we agree on the fake-ness issue. It makes you laugh, doesn't it, looking back now on all the tearful post-game speeches, and how he professed his public love for the "special" atmosphere of Athens. Hey, if the rest of them want to still buy the line, then fine -- you know what Barnum said about one being born every minute.
The ironic thing is, they may characterize you as the rube, when in fact they're the yahoos buying the snake oil the barker's selling from his stagecoach. Thanks for your response.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 12:57:18 AM 
Bobcat8811 wrote:

And let me ask all those who disagree with me one question: if you were DJ Cooper, how would you feel right now? Would you not feel at least a little angry and betrayed? You could've bolted for the bigger school, but you stayed at OU out of a sense of loyalty and fair play. And again, with the ENTIRE team returning for one last shot at glory, wouldn't you expect at LEAST the same from your coach? Is one more year really too much to ask? That's why I just don't get the attitudes of some people towards Groce. 


I would def be upset and would take it much worse that DJ has (at least publicly):

Can't get mad at someone for living their dream! Everybody tryna get to the top.

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   Posted: 4/1/2012 2:13:02 AM 
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So, if you were making $30k a year, and someone offered you more than $120k a year to do essentially the same job in a place where you'd get more recognition and have more opportunity to build your career faster, you'd be "loyal" and turn it down? OK, but you can't be surprised that most people wouldn't.


When the base pay of your job puts you in the top 1% of all wage earners, and your company is willing to almost double it to keep you - you really bolt every time?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 2:22:36 AM 
I really appreciate this post by Bobcat8811 as I share some of the same sentiments.
 
There is really no scenario in which Groce could leave this offseason and earn my blessing (maybe partially due to a genetic predisposition to 'extreme loyalty'). He didn't finish what he signed up for.

I'm an appreciative guy. It's my senior year and I'm a dedicated Bobcat. I realize, whether directly or indirectly, John Groce is responsible for the only two "name" victories in my time here, football or basketball (Georgetown and Michigan).
 
I've gone all over the country to see our Bobcats lose to Tennessee x2, Rutgers, Troy, A&M, Marshall, CMU, NIU, and various other MAC foes. All the while I've never once regretted the trips or felt we "deserved" any different of an outcome. I've just been thankful to have the opportunity  to support the Green and White.  I've become a part of a small population in the U.S. who saw their team make a run to the Sweet 16, all in person. So for that, thank you John Groce.
 
I say this to establish some form of credibility. I'm not a delusional fanboy. I deserve nothing and expect nothing more from John Groce than to give his best effort and fulfill his contractual obligations. 

I'm hung up on the contract. It's convenient for Groce to leave at his leisure, when his stock is highest; I'm aware that many others in his position do the same. That does not change that he left with a couple years left to remain accountable to this university.

This was one of the best teams this school has ever assembled. He said it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to coach at Illinois and he was right. But he neglected to mention that it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to coach at Ohio University next year. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity to honor his commitment to this school and to these players. And in fact it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to take this team to its maximum potential and then move forward as fate may have it. 

I don't buy the family/proximity claim. It's far too convenient. His parents have divorced and both have remarried (at least that's what I gathered from the press conference) . Even if they both still currently lived  in the quaint town of Danville, IN, I can't imagine many people who collect Social Security going on two hour road trips with any regularity (sure Groce has little kids, they get anxious and the drive would be taxing on them too. But if the extra 170 is so taxing, how ever did he manage the years he spent at Ohio and A&M?).

I'm kind of rambling, but long story short I agree with Bobcat8811. Most posters give Groce a free pass even though he clearly disrespected this university. It's the easy choice to let him off the hook, feel warm on the inside that he loves his family and will move on to "follow his dreams". I don't often take the easy choice.
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   Posted: 4/1/2012 2:30:24 AM 
OrlandoCat wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
So, if you were making $30k a year, and someone offered you more than $120k a year to do essentially the same job in a place where you'd get more recognition and have more opportunity to build your career faster, you'd be "loyal" and turn it down? OK, but you can't be surprised that most people wouldn't.


When the base pay of your job puts you in the top 1% of all wage earners, and your company is willing to almost double it to keep you - you really bolt every time?


Don't forget that's the top 1% of all wage earners with your company willing to almost double it -- with the cost of living in Athens.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 2:49:44 AM 
There are always good coaching positions open--every year.  With a returning team, Groce was very likely to have even better options and leverage next year.

Good point about the cupboard possibly being not as stocked in two years--so get out after next year.  But Groce could've re-stocked it if he stayed.

Groce, Goard, gone, good-bye.  Don't really care about you from now on.  You made your decisions; I made mine.


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   Posted: 4/1/2012 2:53:14 AM 
Gangsta Pete wrote:
People are only as loyal as their options.



And again I'll say "DJ Cooper." You know, the guy who had the option of going to Tennessee or Baylor, but chose to honor his commitment to OU. 

Sometimes the cynical view isn't necessarily the right one -- even when it comes to human nature.
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   Posted: 4/1/2012 3:15:00 AM 
While I understand the sentiment, I just can't agree.  Many seem to just assume we will be as good or better next year as we were this.  While that is entirely possible, and I'm hopeful it is the case, we could just as easily have a middling season and land in the CIT.  The margin is very slim.  Remember when we beat Georgetown?  Remember the OT game in Muncie two weeks before it?  Where do we go if we lose that game?  The truth is, it is a very real possibility that next season would've been middling, and there wouldn't have been a seven-figure offer on the table from a major midwestern university.

John Groce is directly responsible for a large number of my very happy memories over the past few years, and has left our program as a far more attractive opening than it was four years ago.  I remain hopeful that we'll keep the system in place, recruit players to it, and be mentioned in the same breath as Butler and Xavier over the next decade.
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   Posted: 4/1/2012 3:20:15 AM 
The Situation wrote:

There is really no scenario in which Groce could leave this offseason and earn my blessing (maybe partially due to a genetic predisposition to 'extreme loyalty'). He didn't finish what he signed up for.

I'm an appreciative guy. It's my senior year and I'm a dedicated Bobcat. I realize, whether directly or indirectly, John Groce is responsible for the only two "name" victories in my time here, football or basketball (Georgetown and Michigan).
 
I say this to establish some form of credibility. I'm not a delusional fanboy. I deserve nothing and expect nothing more from John Groce than to give his best effort and fulfill his contractual obligations. 

I'm hung up on the contract. It's convenient for Groce to leave at his leisure, when his stock is highest; I'm aware that many others in his position do the same. That does not change that he left with a couple years left to remain accountable to this university.

This was one of the best teams this school has ever assembled. He said it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to coach at Illinois and he was right. But he neglected to mention that it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to coach at Ohio University next year. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity to honor his commitment to this school and to these players. And in fact it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to take this team to its maximum potential and then move forward as fate may have it. 

I don't buy the family/proximity claim. It's far too convenient. His parents have divorced and both have remarried (at least that's what I gathered from the press conference) . Even if they both still currently lived  in the quaint town of Danville, IN, I can't imagine many people who collect Social Security going on two hour road trips with any regularity (sure Groce has little kids, they get anxious and the drive would be taxing on them too. But if the extra 170 is so taxing, how ever did he manage the years he spent at Ohio and A&M?).

I'm kind of rambling, but long story short I agree with Bobcat8811. Most posters give Groce a free pass even though he clearly disrespected this university. It's the easy choice to let him off the hook, feel warm on the inside that he loves his family and will move on to "follow his dreams". I don't often take the easy choice.


I'll do my best now to stop beating the dead horse, especially as I think you've summed it up best. Yours is the attitude I'd expect most OU fans to have -- instead, to my surprise, most here are blowing kisses at the guy who basically thumbed his nose at them, and the entire program. I simply don't get it.

I'm glad you see through all the hogwash -- especially the whole "Illinois is my love, my dream" nonsense. And sorry, nobody who is sincere with all the tears, and all the choked-up speeches, turns around and just leaves that easily -- especially when you've got a school begging you to stay. You have to be downright pathological to act like that. 

And maybe you're like me -- tired of all the coaches who preach loyalty and sacrifice to their players, but throw that stuff all aside when it comes to their own personal gain. Groce had both the contractual and MORAL obligation to see it through one more year, considering that the whole team was coming back. Instead, as the commenter states, Groce chose to do what was convenient for him -- the rest of you be uh, darned.

And not only that, he chose to shrink from the opportunity that might TRULY define him as great -- the shot to take a MAC team even further next season. Yeah, there are risks with that -- yeah the team could flop, and you lose your place at Illinois. But the alternative -- NOT taking the chance -- defines you as a weenie IMHO. 

As you've said, and I agree -- all you expect from Groce is simply for him to fulfill his obligation, his promise. And to realize the true "once in a lifetime" opportunity he had to finish what he started, with probably the best team this school has ever fielded. He failed on both counts. Maybe that makes him just another of the coaching crowd, and we should all just shrug our shoulders, and salute the American way. Fine -- but to throw roses at the guy on his way out the door to Paydayville, well, that's another thing entirely.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 3:38:25 AM 
anorris wrote:
While I understand the sentiment, I just can't agree.  Many seem to just assume we will be as good or better next year as we were this.  While that is entirely possible, and I'm hopeful it is the case, we could just as easily have a middling season and land in the CIT.  The margin is very slim.  Remember when we beat Georgetown?  Remember the OT game in Muncie two weeks before it?  Where do we go if we lose that game?  The truth is, it is a very real possibility that next season would've been middling, and there wouldn't have been a seven-figure offer on the table from a major midwestern university.

John Groce is directly responsible for a large number of my very happy memories over the past few years, and has left our program as a far more attractive opening than it was four years ago.  I remain hopeful that we'll keep the system in place, recruit players to it, and be mentioned in the same breath as Butler and Xavier over the next decade.


And DJ Cooper is largely responsible for the new job John Groce is getting, in particular his performances vs. Michigan and S. FLA. The difference is, DJ actually went against the popular idea that you get an offer from a bigger school, you grab it, and loyalty be damned. The irony is, if he hadn't, Groce doesn't get offered the Illinois job. Now isn't that something?

What you're saying is that, "gee, sports have risk, so better to play it safe than sorry!" in defending Groce's actions. And yeah, next year the Bobcats could tank -- just as they could, with a year under their belts and tourney experience, do even BETTER. And I assure you, the "what if?" scenarios could apply to just about any team, at any time. So yeah, there's a real "possibility" that next year OU falters, and Groce's Illinois offer disappears. Just as there's the real possibility the Bobcats are successful again, and Groce gets an even better offer from a better program than Illinois. Or hadn't you considered that uh... possibility?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 3:48:02 AM 
And for those of you who still care to believe Groce's claim that Illinois was his "once-in-a-lifetime jump-at-the-chance dream job," I leave you with this little bit of reading:

http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...OLUMN_7630419/



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David Haugh: Illinois should know its place as coaches say no

When hotshot mid-major coaches Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens turned down Illinois, it provided a stark reminder of how good the job in Champaign is - or isn't - in today's college basketball world.

But perhaps the most sobering measure of the position's diminished stature came in the last 48 hours as Ohio coach John Groce exercised every ounce of leverage Illinois delivered at his doorstep.

When a 40-year-old Mid-American Conference coach making $307,985 hedges at taking over a once-proud Big Ten program and won't agree to do so until his considerable demands are met, it hardly labels Illinois an elite job.

If people still were wondering if Illinois was a destination job, now they know. Coaches don't tiptoe to destination jobs. They run. Their hearts set the pace for their heads. They make plans, not conditions.

The Illinois plane had filed a flight plan at noon Tuesday scheduled to go to Athens, Ohio, but never left the runway after the trip was canceled because the tenor of negotiations changed, according to two sources with knowledge of the talks. Somewhere, Michael McCaskey hated being reminded of Dave McGinnis again.

Groce's 11th-hour power play says Illinois athletic director Mike Thomas got what he deserved in a clumsy search that began nearly three weeks ago. It underscores how badly Thomas needed Groce to say yes - a fact apparently not lost on Groce, who already displayed a knack for making shrewd decisions late in the game.

Last Edited: 4/1/2012 3:53:12 AM by Bobcat8811

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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 4:24:37 AM 
its not that I don't share some of your sentiments, I think its a punk move to leave a sweet 16 team too, and there were plenty of times early in the week where i was like " to hell with Groce". But that was several days ago and it already feels like forever ago, its time to look towards the future. Its not that you don't have a point, its just a little late to make it.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Good riddance, Groce, and don't let the doorknob hit you
   Posted: 4/1/2012 7:19:42 AM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
I am grateful John Groce did what he did for four years and leaves our program in excellent shape. I have no reason to be mad at him.


Given our APR problem, to say he left the program in excellent shape might not be true. It's not a problem he inherited, but its a problem he created while learning to be a head coach.
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