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JSF
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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 10/31/2010 8:58:50 PM

Wait. Martians on Neptune?

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 10/31/2010 10:40:41 PM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Wait. Martians on Neptune?

I thought they were from Tennessee not Neptune!

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 10/31/2010 10:46:13 PM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Wait. Martians on Neptune?

That's why we can never find them, we're always looking for Martians on Mars... Idiots at NASA

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 10/31/2010 11:35:05 PM

I have it from a good source that the Martians are currently conducting experiments on Uranus.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/2/2010 10:39:58 AM

damn I wish I wasn't so late to the party, but as I never saw the original post or subsequent posts by the OP I will refrain from posting, I will now go on with my life.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/2/2010 10:58:06 AM

bobcatgrad wrote:

I have it from a good source that the Martians are currently conducting experiments on Uranus.

My 6 year old got me on the old planet joke.

I was trying to be the informed casual astronomer when I asked him 2 weeks ago if he knew what planet that bright "star" was......he said Uranus....he then laughed and said his mom knew I would ask that and told him what to say.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/2/2010 1:04:46 PM

Let me summarize the initial post that the poster summarily deleted...

A. The Assistant Coaches work hard and love football.
B. They got nothing last year when we went to the MACC and Pizza Bowl.
C. There were calls made after the Pizza Bowl to try and get them bonus money.
D. Families of Assistants are treated so poorly, they couldn't even travel with the team to the MACC and Pizza Bowl on the University dime.
E. We need to remedy this immediately this year BEFORE the MACC and Pizza Bowl.

Just want to make sure we keep this fresh so we're all informed.

If the OP wants to edit for accuracy that is fine, but I think I hit the fine points.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/2/2010 1:22:19 PM

I neutral on the issue and not wanting to do the research. How much do the Assistant Coaches make? I do agree with BL that in the middle of a contract is not the time to go back and ask for more. It has nothing to do with the amount of money they make, or the current economic situation either. They made a deal and should re-evaluate the deal when the next contract comes up. If they are indeed underpaid in relation to their specialized talents, then they would have leverage to negotiate at any time. This is why star athletes and entertainers can do that. I am not sure upper-tier MAC Assistants fit in that category.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/2/2010 1:45:12 PM

Albin makes 94k/year

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/2/2010 1:47:19 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Agree with A
What specifically do they mean for B, that they didn't get paid or that they didn't get paid extra?
Don't understand what C has to do anything, but its hard to extract money when you lose both games.
As for D I guess some of the families are used to what they got at BCS conferences but do they not realize we are in the MAC? Is it that hard for the coaches' families to carpool up to Detroit?
And lastly E, come ask me for money after we make the MACC and win it or at least win a bowl game, never before.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/27/2010 1:00:46 AM

Where are we on this? Is the collection plate going around yet?

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:24:05 PM

The Situation wrote:

I_Need_Zoloft wrote:

Solich contract breakdown

Base Salary 330,000
Radio/TV compensation 70,000
SUV Rental/Golf Membership 10,000
Incentive Package Maximum 215,000

Total Package Value 625,000
Considering the cost of living in Athens, I'm guessing this stretches even farther.

According to a press release dating back to November of 2003, OUr man Frank made a bounty on top of what he currently makes at Ohio. "He was paid an annual base salary of $321,260, with another $518,000 in guaranteed supplemental compensation."

Total Guaranteed Package Value (Before Bowl and Big 12 Championship compensation): $839,260
Total Guaranteed Package Value Adjusted for Inflation (Using CP Index '03-'10): $996,343.02

Let me start by saying Frank Solich is the BEST case scenario Ohio University football fans could have asked for as a head football coach... and we got him at day after Thanksgiving prices. I would go further to say the whole mess was a miracle. Don't let these past 5 years ruin your sound judgement. Do not be that weak Ohio State type of fan that will never be happy, never satisfied, never uses perspective. We were awful and there was no reason to be hopeful!

Even in the best case scenario where Ohio makes both the MAC championship and Bowl game, Solich is making just 63% of what he was paid (guaranteed) when he was asked to leave Lincoln. Economic times or no economic times, this man is over-qualified for this job and this pay scale.

So insert the Love comments or any art professor/ Post comments here and I will respond. Yes were playing for the Joe Schmo Bowl after winning the Joe the Plumber Conference Championship, but that's what we're tied to, and so is Frank. This has not changed and it probably never will unless OU leaves the MAC. So by "Real Bowl" you must mean a BCS bowl. Only the Tostitos, Orange, and Sugar Bowl have at-large tie ins. That means Ohio University must be one of the top three teams out of 114 not to win a Big Six conference to get into these "Real Bowls". Well that might be a reasonable expectation if Frank Solich was one of the top 3 highest paid coaches in college football instead of the 4th highest paid coach in the MAC. He has a salary that's less than half of his Big 6 peers.

As far as scheduling goes, that's what he's paid to do. It's safe to say a respectable university, Nebraska, used sound judgement in the hiring and developing of Frank. And it's safe to say that university trusted his judgement enough to pay him a million a year. I too trust he knows what he's doing when he brings in the Ragin' Cajun's. I would argue that a lesser university asking for Solich's expertise would be inclined to pay him more than was he was paid at his Big 12 job. Imagine if the CEO of Apple came to work at Tractor Supply as the CEO and took a 40% pay cut. Is the grass really always green on the other side for you cholo's?

Moral of the story is... if you want to come on here and try and take away from what Frank has done for this University, establish a unit price first. What are you willing to pay per win ($$$/games won)? What are you willing to pay per BCS home opponent ($$$$/Purdue)? If you want to talk dollars talk dollars.

Some of you people remind me of my time at Best Buy as a TV salesman. (Enter middle-aged man and wife) "We want a really good TV, it doesn't have to be huge, but it has to be as good as Sony but not at the Sony price though, "we're on a budget"." You know what that couple always walked away with? Insignia. Insignia is not as good as Sony.

Go hug a tree if you're not down with Frank.

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I'm not sure what your point is. First, I like having Frank as a coach. However, lets be clear that Frank is paid what the market would bear when he signed the contract and subsequent extension. He is not paid $999,343.02 at Ohio because he no longer commands that kind of salary. We didn't get him at a 40% discount. If he could command a million dollar salary anywhere else I'm sure he would have grabbed it by now.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/29/2010 1:49:27 PM

BL,
Thanks for clarifying the original post.

I can only speak about the GMAC, but to the best of my memory, my son, who was on the plane, said it was FULL of football players and coaches, (as it should be), but there were MANY, MANY, MANY other people on that plane who were at the hotel every day for 5 days..... whom he had never seen before. I asked him who were all these people. He had no clue.

The Pres. went down for the opening ceremonies, then flew back to Athens, and then flew down again for game. PLease correct me if I am mistaken. Maybe this is normal. Remember this was the first bowl game in mega years.

Maybe the wives paid for their hotel room, but I saw them at the team hotel. Perhaps they all DROVE :)

This stuff should all have been established so everyone knows what is included. Maybe it's because it was the FIRST BOWL GAME IN MEGA YEARS.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/29/2010 8:12:54 PM

RE: GMAC bowl, the aformentioned player may be mistaken. No doubt there were people on the plane that he didn't know BUT, I paid a premium price for a travel package through the AD office that included staying at the team hotel. Undoubtedly the players wondered who the hell I was because no one bothered to tell them I helped finance their trip. No one but I paid a penny for my trip and stay - and I paid a pretty penny for the experience, which I would repeat.

RE: Bonuses - it isn't about the "value" of the effort, it's about the market. If you want to be competitive in the hiring marketplace (and I do) you pay the going rate - period. Trying to justify a negotiated bonus based on "value" is a frivolous exercise.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/29/2010 9:35:41 PM

Thanks, BOBCAT BOB..

It sounds like you were the only one to pay??? Did I get that right? Or maybe some of the others he didn't know also bought that same package and flew with team?

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Posted: 11/29/2010 10:04:56 PM

That package was available to anyone who wanted to pay. If they had enough sign up, there would have been two planes. I remember contemplating that route, but decided to go on my own since the whole family was going. I wish the team knew that. I would guess they thought it was a bunch of freeloading boosters and university administrators.

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Posted: 11/29/2010 10:18:44 PM

The only flight I ever made was to Minn in 1999 when we played them up there. The seats one the plane were so tight the Munchkins would have been cramped.

Talk about a great pregame tailgating experience. Got in a field goal kicking contest outside the arena. Came down to me (Bobcat Man according to the MC) and a Gophers fan. 35 yards out, put one wide right into the brats cooker but none the less, represented the Cats in the finals. Good times were had by all.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 11/29/2010 10:36:57 PM

Without the original post, this thread is useless - sort of like Helen Keller playing hide and seek with Ray Charles. Interesting to observe, but no direction. Bad, bad joke aside, should we be paying bonuses for a job success that we should demand from our coaches (bowl team eligible).

Last Edited: 11/29/2010 10:41:39 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 12/20/2010 10:32:02 AM

Speak up Now,

After watching the Nawlins meltdown I'd like to know where to send my check for the bonus pool. I'll also add a little extra this year for the MAC championship appearance...

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 12/20/2010 2:28:26 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Since you disagreed with the original post, and since you were the one that restated the original post for those of us that missed it, I presume that your post includes the portion that you found outrageous and that you disagree with. I'm puzzled by which part that is. A-D appear to be statements that are either fact, or not. No one seems to be disputing any of them, so I guess they are not in question. That leaves point E. Should there be a bonus program for the Assistant Coaches? Yes, I think there probably should be. Many jobs include incentive based pay on the theory that it leads to better performance.

I'm very unclear on your point here. If you don't think they should have incentives, why not? Or maybe you do think they should have incentives, but disagree that being in the MACC or bowl is enough, and you want to reward them only for wins in those. Could you clarify a little what it is that you are thinking?

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Posted: 12/20/2010 4:53:06 PM

They can have incentives, spousal travel perks, bonuses, health insurance, parking spots, free coffee, secretaries, or whatever else their heart desires....if they negotiate those perks and amenities into their contracts.

I have no problem with whatever is negotiated PRIOR to signing on the dotted line. I have a real problem with trying to something DURING the term of the agreement, or forcing leverage to re-negotiate while in the middle of an agreement.

You can have the world, if you negotiate correctly like the rest of us hard working americans try and do at our jobs. The Original Poster reasoned that the Assistant Coaches had done such an amazing job with the MACC and LCPB appearances last year, and were not rewarded/compensated commensurate to the job that had been done.

A. You signed a contract. Live with it until it expires or leave.
B. We have now lost 3 Bowl Games and 2 MACC's with ZERO wins in the post-season during the Solich regime. A couple of those games have been embarrassing on in front of a national stage because of our inability to compete with our opponents.
C. Our scheduling has failed to put butts in seats, and dramatically increase gameday interest as compared to the Grobe years.
D. Don't send your proxies to Bobcat Attack on some kind of kamikaze fundraising initiative while un-employment in this country is now at 9.8% and declining.

Jim Mora just called...."Bonuses?? Bonuses? You wanna talk about Bonuses??"

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Posted: 12/20/2010 5:54:44 PM

OK, thank you for clarifying. I guess I have to wonder to what extent the terms of employment for the assistants are spelled out in a detailed contract. I know that the head coach gets a long detailed contract, and perhaps the assistants do, too. If not, I suppose they would come in and expect whatever is normally done at other schools.

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Posted: 12/20/2010 11:29:55 PM

one year deals for assistant coaches, with a cell phone stipend, gas stipend and car allotment. In 06' our coaches received a bonus, in 09' and 10' there were no bonuses and last year we were the only one of the MAC schools not to do so.

To an extent you are correct Love about if you want it negoiate it, however it is not that simple in this game at our level because the school would simply go to the next guy who will work on their terms.

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RE: Start Fundraising Now

Posted: 12/24/2010 11:48:04 AM

This love person talks in absolutes.

The world is not that way, like it or not. Top performers get the juice. Which often includes compensation beyond that stated in the base contract.

If we ever have the top run year that this love and I and many of us envision, will this love person object if the largesse is spread to the assistants beyond what their contracts call for? No, he won't. Because, bless him, one of things we love best about the love is his sometimes inconsistency.

I may or may not agree with me here.

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