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M.D.W.S.T
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   Posted: 1/5/2024 8:31:12 PM 
Danneker to Baylor.

At this point our entire offense has gone P5, and we still couldn’t win the MACC.

Pain.
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   Posted: 1/5/2024 8:36:13 PM 
Bobcat Transfer Update

Big Ten - 4
Indiana (Rourke, Cross)
Minnesota (Bangura)
Ohio State (Kacmarek)

BIG 12 - 2
Oklahoma State (Foster)
Baylor (Danneker)

ACC - 1
Pittsburgh (Thompson)

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   Posted: 1/5/2024 8:37:28 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Danneker to Baylor.

At this point our entire offense has gone P5, and we still couldn’t win the MACC.

Pain.


While that may be true, lets see how much playing time / what kind of impact they have next year.
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   Posted: 1/5/2024 10:36:28 PM 
New one. Tight End Jake Bruno from St Francis.

6’6”, 243lbs.

https://x.com/ohiofootball/status/1743474504494363099?s=46
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   Posted: 1/5/2024 10:51:34 PM 
Cats5 wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Wish it was keeping the TE and adding Gundy, but every once in a while gotta be a humanitarian and make a fair trade.

Excited for our guys going elsewhere, and twice as excited to see the guys coming in. Definitely seem to be mining hard for players to get.


I would think getting a QB from a big program would make recruiting WR’s and TE’s a little easier. Also, when was the last time we had a lefty at QB?


He was only there because of his dad. If you look at his portal offers we were the best by far so I wouldn’t expect much.
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   Posted: 1/6/2024 2:53:15 AM 
Bobcats1212 wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Wish it was keeping the TE and adding Gundy, but every once in a while gotta be a humanitarian and make a fair trade.

Excited for our guys going elsewhere, and twice as excited to see the guys coming in. Definitely seem to be mining hard for players to get.


I would think getting a QB from a big program would make recruiting WR’s and TE’s a little easier. Also, when was the last time we had a lefty at QB?


He was only there because of his dad. If you look at his portal offers we were the best by far so I wouldn’t expect much.


I get that but after watching his film. He looks like he’ll be a good MAC QB.
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   Posted: 1/6/2024 7:48:58 AM 
Cats5 wrote:
... Also, when was the last time we had a lefty at QB?

I seem to remember one back in the early 2000's. It might have been Brandon Jones.


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   Posted: 1/6/2024 9:27:27 AM 
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?
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   Posted: 1/6/2024 9:35:30 AM 
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


Yes he was.

In regards to Gundy the lack of offers is puzzling….but looking at his videos I’d say he should do well in the MAC.

We now have gained almost as many portal transfers as we have lost…and I thought most were gone anyway because of eligibility.

Let’s get a RB and DL to this group.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Transfer Portal
   Posted: 1/6/2024 10:56:09 AM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


Yes he was.

In regards to Gundy the lack of offers is puzzling….but looking at his videos I’d say he should do well in the MAC.

We now have gained almost as many portal transfers as we have lost…and I thought most were gone anyway because of eligibility.

Let’s get a RB and DL to this group.


The difference is that we are losing guys to P-5 teams and picking them mostly up from FCS or below.. To me, it’s confirmed my assumption that we are not at all competitive in the NIL market. There’s still plenty of better players in the lesser levels, but I’m sure not expecting to get many FBS players who have played much.

Last Edited: 1/6/2024 11:10:31 AM by colobobcat66

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   Posted: 1/6/2024 11:20:01 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


Yes he was.

In regards to Gundy the lack of offers is puzzling….but looking at his videos I’d say he should do well in the MAC.

We now have gained almost as many portal transfers as we have lost…and I thought most were gone anyway because of eligibility.

Let’s get a RB and DL to this group.


The difference is that we are losing guys to P-5 teams and picking them mostly up from FCS or below.. To me, it’s confirmed my assumption that we are not at all competitive in the NIL market. There’s still plenty of better players in the lesser levels, but I’m sure not expecting to get many FBS players who have played much.


I’m kinda taking a wait and see attitude.

Nobody expected Parker to do much at QB and Rickey Hunt wasn’t on anybody’s radar.
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   Posted: 1/6/2024 11:28:06 AM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


Yes he was.

In regards to Gundy the lack of offers is puzzling….but looking at his videos I’d say he should do well in the MAC.

We now have gained almost as many portal transfers as we have lost…and I thought most were gone anyway because of eligibility.

Let’s get a RB and DL to this group.


The difference is that we are losing guys to P-5 teams and picking them mostly up from FCS or below.. To me, it’s confirmed my assumption that we are not at all competitive in the NIL market. There’s still plenty of better players in the lesser levels, but I’m sure not expecting to get many FBS players who have played much.






I’m kinda taking a wait and see attitude.

Nobody expected Parker to do much at QB and Rickey Hunt wasn’t on anybody’s radar.
Hunt was on a lot of people's radar. He was a big recruit.

As for Navarro, he had a nice bowl game. However, Georgia Southern kept shooting themselves in the foot, and it wasn't necessary for him to put it in the air. He goes into Spring as the favorite to start, but it has to be an open competition at this point.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Transfer Portal
   Posted: 1/6/2024 12:56:18 PM 
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


You’ve got a solid memory.

So was Tom Dubs who was after AT
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  Message Not Read  RE: Transfer Portal
   Posted: 1/6/2024 1:01:19 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


Yes he was.

In regards to Gundy the lack of offers is puzzling….but looking at his videos I’d say he should do well in the MAC.

We now have gained almost as many portal transfers as we have lost…and I thought most were gone anyway because of eligibility.

Let’s get a RB and DL to this group.


The difference is that we are losing guys to P-5 teams and picking them mostly up from FCS or below.. To me, it’s confirmed my assumption that we are not at all competitive in the NIL market. There’s still plenty of better players in the lesser levels, but I’m sure not expecting to get many FBS players who have played much.


I’m kinda taking a wait and see attitude.

Nobody expected Parker to do much at QB and Rickey Hunt wasn’t on anybody’s radar.


I’m really just talking here about the transfer portal players like Navarro. I’m not sure how much he had played at UCF. Now Hunt is another story as he wasn’t a transfer , but rather a high school recruit. He did have one P-5 offer from Iowa State. We Will probably continue to pick up some nice HS players as the big boys load up more on the portal. Unfortunately for the high schoolers, there are way fewer of them being signed now.
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   Posted: 1/6/2024 1:06:21 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


Yes he was.

In regards to Gundy the lack of offers is puzzling….but looking at his videos I’d say he should do well in the MAC.

We now have gained almost as many portal transfers as we have lost…and I thought most were gone anyway because of eligibility.

Let’s get a RB and DL to this group.


The difference is that we are losing guys to P-5 teams and picking them mostly up from FCS or below.. To me, it’s confirmed my assumption that we are not at all competitive in the NIL market. There’s still plenty of better players in the lesser levels, but I’m sure not expecting to get many FBS players who have played much.


I’m kinda taking a wait and see attitude.

Nobody expected Parker to do much at QB and Rickey Hunt wasn’t on anybody’s radar.


I’m really just talking here about the transfer portal players like Navarro. I’m not sure how much he had played at UCF. Now Hunt is another story as he wasn’t a transfer , but rather a high school recruit. He did have one P-5 offer from Iowa State. We Will probably continue to pick up some nice HS players as the big boys load up more on the portal. Unfortunately for the high schoolers, there are way fewer of them being signed now.


This with the last couple years of Covid has definitely hurt HS players
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  Message Not Read  RE: Transfer Portal
   Posted: 1/6/2024 1:07:34 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
The difference is that we are losing guys to P-5 teams and picking them mostly up from FCS or below.. To me, it’s confirmed my assumption that we are not at all competitive in the NIL market. There’s still plenty of better players in the lesser levels, but I’m sure not expecting to get many FBS players who have played much.

One thing that will come from this is that, as players flow up and down through the various levels of football, we will all have a better picture of the talent dispersion. Obviously, most of the very best players are at the P5 level. Ohio rarely has any players drafted anymore, and that is probably true for more G5 teams. Yet, a few players do get drafted from G5, and a few are drafted from lower levels as well, so we know there is overlap in the current system.

I would expect that, as you get to lower levels, there is even more overlap. How does a G5 starter compare with a P5 starter, or with a P5 backup? When a G5 starter moves up to P5, will he be a backup, or will he be good enough to start? Similarly, when an FCS starter moves up to G5, will he be a starter, or will he provide depth?

As data, let's look at 2023 transfers. Transfers to Ohio were:
Dane Jackson, OL, from NTSU, ended up as the #2 Center
Miles Flemming, CB from Minnesota, ended up as the #2 SS
Jared Wheatley, P/K from Vandy, ended up at the #2 Punter
Kwame Sutton, DE from Austin Peay, played in 10 games, made 19 tackles
Kaci Seegars, LB from Liberty, #3 Jack, played in 10 games, Jack, 4 tackles
Tristan Cox, DT from Purdue, played in 6 games, 9 total tackles
Jack Kenneally, TE from Youngstown St, DNP, Not on roster
Ches Jackson, OL from Colorado State, no show
Walter Reynolds, S, Holy Cross, Starting FS, #3 on the team in tackles

So, we have:
No show?: 2 (Ches Jackson, Kenneally)
Starter: 1 (Reynolds Gr)
Backups: 3 (Dane Jackson Jr, Wheatley Wh, Flemming Jr)
Depth: 3 (Seegars So., Tristan Cox, Sutton Gr)

So, in total, from 9 transfers, Ohio got one starter. They also got 3 second string players, of who two have more years remaining, and might become starters, and one #3 who is only a Sophomore, and might also become a starter in time. At the other extreme, they also got two no shows, and one player that came, played very little, and who is back in the portal, and a couple of Graduate students who provided Depth, but who may be gone.

For me, one takeaway is that the players who were moving down a level were less likely to contribute. That would be Wheatley, Tristan Cox, and Miles Flemming, though Flemming has more time remaining, and may move up the chart. Next is that players who were backups moving sideways at the G5 level were likely to be backups at Ohio as well. And, finally, players who were starters at lower levels were the most likely to become starters.

Ohio seems to be behaving as if they believe this, too. The recruits they are adding so far this year are pretty much all players who were outstanding at lower levels. Hopefully that will mean a high percentage of them will be able to contribute immediately.

If the players leaving Ohio have a similar future, many of them are players who excelled at Ohio. As a result, many of them may become starters at P5 as well. On the other hand, the data above implies that those who are leaving because they are down the depth chart at Ohio may find themselves down the depth chart wherever they end up, and thus may end up having to go down a level to find new homes.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Transfer Portal
   Posted: 1/6/2024 1:11:13 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Danneker to Baylor.

At this point our entire offense has gone P5, and we still couldn’t win the MACC.

Pain.


I wouldn't bank on Danneker starting for Baylor. Same could be said for Bangura after watching the Gophers frosh RB light it up in the bowl game. Cross was a good WR at Ohio, but he wasn't in the top two for the Bobcats. They all left to get paid along with the two Tight Ends.

And Toledo had the MAC player of the year (Finn) and the Offensive player of year (Boone.) Toledo also had two offensive lineman and a WR on first team all league. Throw in Culpepper 1st team all league on the DL, an all league LB and two all conference DB's with DB Mitchell being a likely high NFL draft pick. Amazing with that talent they didn't go unbeaten. Pain!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Transfer Portal
   Posted: 1/6/2024 2:03:23 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


Yes he was.

In regards to Gundy the lack of offers is puzzling….but looking at his videos I’d say he should do well in the MAC.

We now have gained almost as many portal transfers as we have lost…and I thought most were gone anyway because of eligibility.

Let’s get a RB and DL to this group.


The difference is that we are losing guys to P-5 teams and picking them mostly up from FCS or below.. To me, it’s confirmed my assumption that we are not at all competitive in the NIL market. There’s still plenty of better players in the lesser levels, but I’m sure not expecting to get many FBS players who have played much.


I’m kinda taking a wait and see attitude.

Nobody expected Parker to do much at QB and Rickey Hunt wasn’t on anybody’s radar.


You got a turd in your pocket or something who is nobody?


Me from our break out player prediction thread in August:
“ I’ll go Ricky Hunt. Haven't seen a freshman this good since... man, you gotta go all the way back to Sieh Bangura.

A lot in front of him, but he's too good to keep off the field.”

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   Posted: 1/6/2024 2:43:04 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
Wasn't Anthony Thornton a lefty?


Yes he was.

In regards to Gundy the lack of offers is puzzling….but looking at his videos I’d say he should do well in the MAC.

We now have gained almost as many portal transfers as we have lost…and I thought most were gone anyway because of eligibility.

Let’s get a RB and DL to this group.


The difference is that we are losing guys to P-5 teams and picking them mostly up from FCS or below.. To me, it’s confirmed my assumption that we are not at all competitive in the NIL market. There’s still plenty of better players in the lesser levels, but I’m sure not expecting to get many FBS players who have played much.


I’m kinda taking a wait and see attitude.

Nobody expected Parker to do much at QB and Rickey Hunt wasn’t on anybody’s radar.


You got a turd in your pocket or something who is nobody?


Me from our break out player prediction thread in August:
“ I’ll go Ricky Hunt. Haven't seen a freshman this good since... man, you gotta go all the way back to Sieh Bangura.

A lot in front of him, but he's too good to keep off the field.”



Let me rephrase…..maybe not nobody but I can remember comments of doom and gloom about the bowl game and also that next year is lost.
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   Posted: 1/6/2024 2:50:36 PM 
I guess it boils down to someone like Walter Reynolds from Patriot League compared to Big 10 Purdue’s Tristan Cox.

One had success here while the other not so much.

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   Posted: 1/6/2024 6:13:18 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
I guess it boils down to someone like Walter Reynolds from Patriot League compared to Big 10 Purdue’s Tristan Cox.

One had success here while the other not so much.


Similar in basketball, we're gonna need to get players who have proven they CAN contribute.

Can't rely on someone who went to Purdue so that means they're probably okay and can play in the MAC.

Would much rather take a chance on someone who played at a high level in FCS, someone who has proven they can put in the work, than someone who didn't play at all in P5.

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   Posted: 1/6/2024 7:13:27 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
I guess it boils down to someone like Walter Reynolds from Patriot League compared to Big 10 Purdue’s Tristan Cox.

One had success here while the other not so much.


Similar in basketball, we're gonna need to get players who have proven they CAN contribute.

Can't rely on someone who went to Purdue so that means they're probably okay and can play in the MAC.

Would much rather take a chance on someone who played at a high level in FCS, someone who has proven they can put in the work, than someone who didn't play at all in P5.


but what about Sam Wiglusz? I think it's a case by case basis. We like to think just because we get a P5 transfer that it means automatic production on the field but obviously we know that's not always the case. Proven FCS / JUCO players seem to be more reliable for production...at least recently (Jacoby Jones, Tuggle, Zack Sanders, Reynolds, etc.)

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   Posted: 1/6/2024 7:46:58 PM 
RufusCat09 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
I guess it boils down to someone like Walter Reynolds from Patriot League compared to Big 10 Purdue’s Tristan Cox.

One had success here while the other not so much.


Similar in basketball, we're gonna need to get players who have proven they CAN contribute.

Can't rely on someone who went to Purdue so that means they're probably okay and can play in the MAC.

Would much rather take a chance on someone who played at a high level in FCS, someone who has proven they can put in the work, than someone who didn't play at all in P5.


but what about Sam Wiglusz? I think it's a case by case basis. We like to think just because we get a P5 transfer that it means automatic production on the field but obviously we know that's not always the case. Proven FCS / JUCO players seem to be more reliable for production...at least recently (Jacoby Jones, Tuggle, Zack Sanders, Reynolds, etc.)


I think Sam deserves a statue, but like you mentioned we’ve had far greater success with JUCO/FCS type folks.

I’m not saying there’s no room to take a chance of some of these guys, in a lot of cases we need them, we need them to build a program, I just hope it’s not at the expense of the Rayyan Buell’s of the world.

I have no basis for my thinking - just an observation- and in these days of NIL we might see a Tristan Cox and be like YE$ OUR DE IS HERE and therefor pass up a diamond who needs a chance.
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   Posted: 1/6/2024 11:40:20 PM 
Tyler Walton to Eastern Michigan. Don’t understand it.
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   Posted: 1/7/2024 7:05:39 AM 
Albin unwilling to take him back, so...
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