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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 9:59:40 PM 
The best 1st-half effort from a Bobcat tonight had to be from the clock operator when, with 7 seconds left and UT inbounding the ball, he started the clock 3-4 seconds early and almost got away with it.

This team needs someone other than the big 3 to step it up on the offensive end. Unfortunately OUr team is not getting Preston or DWIII back and probably not McDay either. While I feel UT fans are comfortable/confident with any of their 5 starters being a threat on offense, I know I can't say that beyond BVP, Carter and Sears. OUr other 2 starters arrived in Athens with a reputation of being scorers/shooters. We sure haven't been seeing that this season.

I'm back to thinking Rollins is the premier player in the league. Towns, I thought, guarded him as well as any other Bobcat tonight.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 10:06:16 PM 
You can't blame an 18 point loss on a couple of calls, but I thought the two offensive fouls on Ezuma were bogus, especially the second one. Clawing a 17 point deficit to six with the ball. Who knows where the game could have gone if either of those possessions ended with points. Those seemed like officials wanting to participate in the game.

I would seriously begin to consider starting Towns over Roderick.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 10:09:50 PM 
I'm not sure I've heard the Convo ever as loud as it was tonight for a basket that pulled us to within 10 points... I can only imagine if we had found a way to pull even. Definitely great to have a strong student turnout.

Carter injury completely sucked the air out of the entire place. You could feel it just kill any momentum we had going. Have a very clear few from my perspective, and it definitely looked like cramps to me. He was in extreme pain but it was pretty clear to me that it was impacting BOTH of his upper thigh muscles, which immediately gave me some hope that it wasn't an ankle or knee injury.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 10:15:04 PM 
jayboy wrote:
I'm not sure I've heard the Convo ever as loud as it was tonight for a basket that pulled us to within 10 points... I can only imagine if we had found a way to pull even. Definitely great to have a strong student turnout.

Carter injury completely sucked the air out of the entire place. You could feel it just kill any momentum we had going. Have a very clear few from my perspective, and it definitely looked like cramps to me. He was in extreme pain but it was pretty clear to me that it was impacting BOTH of his upper thigh muscles, which immediately gave me some hope that it wasn't an ankle or knee injury.


He battled like crazy tonight. I definitely feel for him
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 10:23:40 PM 
shabamon wrote:
You can't blame an 18 point loss on a couple of calls, but I thought the two offensive fouls on Ezuma were bogus, especially the second one. Clawing a 17 point deficit to six with the ball. Who knows where the game could have gone if either of those possessions ended with points. Those seemed like officials wanting to participate in the game.

I would seriously begin to consider starting Towns over Roderick.


Unforunately, even being an Olentangy Liberty alum I have to agree. He really hasn't been working out. Yes he has had some layups and good defensive plays here and there but he hasn't been consistent this year. I think it would hopefully extremely motivate him if we end up starting Towns. Towns is looking extremely promising on both sides of the ball. Kid can play.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 11:25:27 PM 
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Last Edited: 1/21/2022 11:37:16 PM by BillyTheCat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 11:28:00 PM 
allen wrote:
We allowed too much dribble penetration and on offense, too much iso ball, we donít move without the ball. We just stand at the three point line, no cutting. We have too all Mac bigs that never establish themselves in the post. We have to fix that. Toledo got so many steals by just staying in the passing lanes. Any athletic team that watches video can scheme for us.


Maybe, just maybe, because they were longer and more athletic and the outside shots just were t falling.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 11:32:39 PM 
Cellis033 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
You can't blame an 18 point loss on a couple of calls, but I thought the two offensive fouls on Ezuma were bogus, especially the second one. Clawing a 17 point deficit to six with the ball. Who knows where the game could have gone if either of those possessions ended with points. Those seemed like officials wanting to participate in the game.

I would seriously begin to consider starting Towns over Roderick.


Unforunately, even being an Olentangy Liberty alum I have to agree. He really hasn't been working out. Yes he has had some layups and good defensive plays here and there but he hasn't been consistent this year. I think it would hopefully extremely motivate him if we end up starting Towns. Towns is looking extremely promising on both sides of the ball. Kid can play.


Should we cut him? Maybe place him on wavers? Dock his pay for poor performance? Maybe we can start a fan poll too, abover 60# we give the officials a full pay? Below 60% we take $200 for every rating below. ? Just a thought
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 11:39:10 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Should we cut him?


No (nor has anyone even implied that) - just reduce his time. Others are showing they are able to contribute more than he is when on the court. Or do you think playing time should be determined by something other than who is able to contribute most to the team?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 11:41:41 PM 
Wow, only three rebuttals from BTC? As far as me anointing UT as league champs? I'm not sure where I even hinted at that.

I'm OK if you disagree with my assessment of our rotation (although any objective onlooker would say you're wrong). But I never came close to suggesting the season is over.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/21/2022 11:42:37 PM 
The season is not over. I canít recall any year no matter how good the team when we didnít have a disappointing loss or losses. It is a test of our players and coaches to see if we can rise to the occasion. There are many hopeful developments including the emergence of Townes, Clayton and Schmock and Brown gets better each game. This team has some proven talent and a lot of potential talent. Last year we were nowhere as far along at this stage and it had a great end.

I am looking forward to the next game.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 12:10:01 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
You can't blame an 18 point loss on a couple of calls, but I thought the two offensive fouls on Ezuma were bogus, especially the second one. Clawing a 17 point deficit to six with the ball. Who knows where the game could have gone if either of those possessions ended with points. Those seemed like officials wanting to participate in the game.

I would seriously begin to consider starting Towns over Roderick.


Unforunately, even being an Olentangy Liberty alum I have to agree. He really hasn't been working out. Yes he has had some layups and good defensive plays here and there but he hasn't been consistent this year. I think it would hopefully extremely motivate him if we end up starting Towns. Towns is looking extremely promising on both sides of the ball. Kid can play.


Should we cut him? Maybe place him on wavers? Dock his pay for poor performance? Maybe we can start a fan poll too, abover 60# we give the officials a full pay? Below 60% we take $200 for every rating below. ? Just a thought


Wow.... I didn't say I want to cut him (assuming it's not sarcasm). I just thought we should give Towns an opportunity to start or give him more of Roderick's minutes. Still crossing my fingers he can get his act together but it's horribly evident he's not shooting like he did last year.

I hope we take this punch in the mouth as a learning experience and hope we can use the next game against NIU as a relief of frustration game. BVP noted in the presser them celebrating on our court has created some fuel for the next matchup against them in 2.5 weeks.

Last Edited: 1/22/2022 12:11:33 AM by Cellis033


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 2:02:04 AM 
Cellis033 wrote:
Not an excuse, but does that bald ref always have a problem with us? Called some soft fouls away from offensive play then misses blatant ones on Toledo? Screw off!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 8:24:45 AM 
This game is over and we can't change the result.
Like someone else said,"How we respond going forward will tell us a lot about this team."
Coach said many times that we will get each teams best cause they want to beat the best, so true tonight.
Fortunately this was not the last game of the year and therefor if we make a few adjustments we will finish strong
I hope Sears learned a lot from this game. When he is doubled team he struggles. He needs to learn to pass when he sees that double team coming. This was Jason's strength and why he recorded so many assists.I do believe Mark will learn from this game and move forward.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 9:30:18 AM 
LuckySparrow wrote:
Rollins and Dennis have been beyond outstanding tonight. What a solid Toledo team. All you can do is tip the cap and learn.

Jason Carter injury... Please be okay.


Rollins credited with 26 points and FIVE steals! Sounds like a DJ Cooper performance line!

I was sitting behind the 2nd half Toledo basket and I got to say the final dunk was one of the finest I have witnessed. The ball handler goes against our lone defender and instead of making a contested layup he flips it off the glass to a trailer who smashes it home. Time out OHIO and the celebrating Rockets are pushed to their bench by their three buddies.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 11:03:42 AM 
As frustrating as this game was, I would rather find out my deficencies and weaknesses in January than late February or March. Lots to improve upon, but there is time now to correct our errors, both tactical and mental.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 11:48:16 AM 
Probably really overdue for a game like this. We had soft wins over much inferior competition (Concordia and St Francis, to name two) and Toledo just reminded us that you can't get away with much against good teams. It also showed how thin we are with the bigs. With DW3 done for the season and Clayton not available last night we were goners when Carter went down.

Going forward, I'd really hate to be in NIU's shoes Tuesday night. I imagine that the team will be looking to vent some frustrations from last night.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 12:04:39 PM 
As poorly as we played on defense, Toledo hit a lot of difficult shots. They also had an answer for just about any momentum shift.

Rollins is a stud, let's see how we match up with him defensively next time around. I don't think he'll get the same level of production from his teammates in that one.

I haven't watched Toledo much this year but I would assume that was probably their best game they've played so far.

After JC went down we clearly gave up and invited Toledo to showboat a little bit. Gotta have a little more pride at home and I hope Coach Boals will use that as a coaching point as to not allow that to happen again. I expect us to be fired up for the rematch.

One of the Toledo starters also appeared to be mocking the OZone during the final seconds? Wasn't really over the top but he seemed to be waving goodbye with some added enthusiasm. I enjoy a good player-student section rivalry.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 12:35:29 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
Rollins and Dennis have been beyond outstanding tonight. What a solid Toledo team. All you can do is tip the cap and learn.

Jason Carter injury... Please be okay.


Rollins credited with 26 points and FIVE steals! Sounds like a DJ Cooper performance line!

I was sitting behind the 2nd half Toledo basket and I got to say the final dunk was one of the finest I have witnessed. The ball handler goes against our lone defender and instead of making a contested layup he flips it off the glass to a trailer who smashes it home. Time out OHIO and the celebrating Rockets are pushed to their bench by their three buddies.


Rollins was everywhere. Great player. Kid has "It."

While the loss last night hurts, as a MAC basketball fan it was a pleasure watching that match up. Toledo brought their A game we brought our... let's say C game... now just imagine if both teams were firing on all cylinders. Would have been an all-timer.

Can't wait to see these guys again in Toledo then of course smash them in the MAC Championship game. :)


What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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   Posted: 1/22/2022 1:05:08 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Probably really overdue for a game like this. We had soft wins over much inferior competition (Concordia and St Francis, to name two) and Toledo just reminded us that you can't get away with much against good teams. It also showed how thin we are with the bigs. With DW3 done for the season and Clayton not available last night we were goners when Carter went down.

Going forward, I'd really hate to be in NIU's shoes Tuesday night. I imagine that the team will be looking to vent some frustrations from last night.


No one is mentioning the fantastic three point play to the basket by Ezuma. It was a man's move. The two offensive fouls on him were BOGUS. He is going to be a good one and needs more time.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 1:07:39 PM 
One of those games where we just for some reason didn't have juice coming out of the gates. Rollins is a player we know that. He's front runner for MAC Player of the Year right now. We don't have a Rollins. Next year, I think we'll hopefully see something resembling that with AJ Brown and Elmore James.

Key moment of the game no doubt was having the ball twice with a chance to cut it down to 4 or 3 and we don't get a shot off because of two ridiculous away from the ball offensive fouls on IJ. I have no clue what the refs were thinking. Those two fouls shut down the crowd and killed all momentum....not the Carter injury.

I said it before and I'll say it again....the games where not having Wilson that were going to really show up were: Kentucky, LSU, Toledo and Buffalo. So far we are 0-3 in those games. Tip your hat to Toledo. They were on fire with their shooting. Can they turn in another shooting performance like that against Ohio in two weeks and then again in March? I say no.

Bottom line....we are good. Do we have another gear to take it another level? To me, Roderick is the key. Sorry, but we aren't getting production there. Been frustrating to watch. Mind blowing how his shot isn't there. Nobody has said he can't contribute moving forward, but at what point does Boals give Towns and Clayton more of Roderick's minutes?

Side note...I still think Buffalo is going to have a huge say in March. Would be great to avoid Buffalo and Toledo until the MAC Championship game, but we'll have to win the regular season championship to avoid it I believe.

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   Posted: 1/22/2022 1:14:56 PM 
Good commentary. Was said a few times they "just gave everyone else the blueprint to beat us...." I am not sure everyone (or anyone) has the athletes or the ability to game plan as well as the UT staff or if they can implement that plan....for sure NO ONE I have seen in this league has the shooters and the individuals to execute that plan. Toledo brought it all together.

I always enjoy other fanboards....especially after beating the opposition...but especially after beating Ohio. Stating things like "8000 hostile students" amuses me but this needs some verification as I am interested to know if they moved the benches or if there was a different layout than I am familiar with .... One fan wrote

"Back in the day, believe it or not, their student section was in the bleachers directly behind the visitors bench. Yes, their student had their knees in the backs of the players the whole game. It was a tough, brutal crowd but they were also some of the funniest in the league.
One years Coach Nichols wore a cardigan sweater with shirt and tie and the whole game they were on him for trying to look like Mr. Rogers."

I am not sure knees in the backs when you are standing is accurate but did we have a different set up in the Convo?


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   Posted: 1/22/2022 1:30:28 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Key moment of the game no doubt was having the ball twice with a chance to cut it down to 4 or 3 and we don't get a shot off because of two ridiculous away from the ball offensive fouls on IJ. I have no clue what the refs were thinking. Those two fouls shut down the crowd and killed all momentum....not the Carter injury.


Not sure of the timeline and if what I noticed matches up with the events you mentioned. But there was a media time out in the 2nd half and the foul differential was something like 8-2 in favor of Ohio. I noticed UT coach K and an assistant having a heated discussion with the refs about this disparity. Sure enough, the refs called 2 or 3 quick fouls on Ohio coming out of that time out.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 1:37:26 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Side note...I still think Buffalo is going to have a huge say in March. Would be great to avoid Buffalo and Toledo until the MAC Championship game, but we'll have to win the regular season championship to avoid it I believe.


It was about this time last year when I said Ohio would meet UB in the MAC finals. Looks like UT will have something to say about that this March but I think UB, with its senior experience in Mballa, Segu and Williams (best NBA prospect in the league) and recent addition of Skogman in the starting lineup, is ready to make a push as a threat to return to the title game. Skogman was a big time recruit before almost dying on a basketball court due to heart problems. Big time schools backed away but UB welcomed him after he was given a clean bill of health. He's a 6-11 threat from 3 with a decent post-up game and is just now rounding back into form.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 17 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 1/22/2022 1:44:37 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
As poorly as we played on defense, Toledo hit a lot of difficult shots. They also had an answer for just about any momentum shift.

Rollins is a stud, let's see how we match up with him defensively next time around. I don't think he'll get the same level of production from his teammates in that one.

I haven't watched Toledo much this year but I would assume that was probably their best game they've played so far.

After JC went down we clearly gave up and invited Toledo to showboat a little bit. Gotta have a little more pride at home and I hope Coach Boals will use that as a coaching point as to not allow that to happen again. I expect us to be fired up for the rematch.

One of the Toledo starters also appeared to be mocking the OZone during the final seconds? Wasn't really over the top but he seemed to be waving goodbye with some added enthusiasm. I enjoy a good player-student section rivalry.


Yes, believe that could have been Moss. We were taunting him all night and I was making it known he should keep up the fouling, lol


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