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Topic: RE: FIRE TIM ALBLIN PLEASE PLEASE!

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: FIRE TIM ALBLIN PLEASE PLEASE!

Posted: 11/29/2010 11:44:51 PM

ddub63 wrote:

Yeah Boo fumbled the ball and threw the pick.....why wasn't the pocket moving...the OL wasn't blocking for SH$$...move the damn pocket people.....why are you throwing from the 2 yard line...bad bad play calling....why run up the middle all day when it wasn't working for the first half of the day...

The game play looked no where the same as the temple or Miami game???? what happened...not talking about the execusion of play...but rather the actual plays that were called....

True. Should've rolled the pocket out. No particular adjustments to counter the push from kents' d-line. No jet sweeps--not many fakes of them. We didn't seem to throw the ball downfield much, didn't make kents cover that in attempt to stop them from stacking 8 in the box. Not too many runs toward the outside.

Yes, kents' d-line dominated. But we looked like we had nothing at all to try to counter that.

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RE: FIRE TIM ALBLIN PLEASE PLEASE!

Posted: 11/30/2010 7:26:11 AM

Do you realize there was quite a bit of wind? We did run Jet, we did run the inside zone off the Jet fake, and it is kind of hard to sprint out when the up field containment is kicking your ass!

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RE: FIRE TIM ALBLIN PLEASE PLEASE!

Posted: 11/30/2010 11:58:59 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Do you realize there was quite a bit of wind? We did run Jet, we did run the inside zone off the Jet fake, and it is kind of hard to sprint out when the up field containment is kicking your ass!

Sorry. I forgot. Whatever the coaches do is correct and it is impermissible to question their strategy.

Answer me this, Wanny: Another poster stated that kents averaged (before us, I presume) giving up 2.8 yards per carry against the run. We saw from last year, I believe, that they are tough up the middle. So what plan was their to counter a likely inability on our part to run the ball.

And guess what? The wind is the same whether one drops back or rolls the pocket out. So what does wind have to do with anything? Perhaps wind affects throwing long. Well, kents succeeded at least once with that.

Could you just make this easier for both of us. Number your three standard responses 1, 2, and 3. That way you can spend less time posting. You could just go, for instance, "2" and we'll all know what you mean.

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Posted: 12/1/2010 7:30:32 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Do you realize there was quite a bit of wind? We did run Jet, we did run the inside zone off the Jet fake, and it is kind of hard to sprint out when the up field containment is kicking your ass!

#1 and 2, I am the one who stated Kent's ypa at 2.8, I do not know what their plan was Monroe, and guess what you don't either, because I was not in the meetings or at practice all week. The best way to counter that type of pressure is through the air and stretching the field, as when you are bringing the heat you roll up the coverage trying to force the quick throw, taking away the under and giving the over the top stuff.....for the rest of this see #2

#2, What does the wind have to do with anything????? Are you that freaking stupid? The wind has a ton to do with the passing game, especially when your QB is getting about 2.5 sec to throw the ball, that is simply not enough time.

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Posted: 12/1/2010 8:38:10 PM

Forget the 2+ yards Kent was allowing and just look at what they had been doing lately:
ARMY-KENT
NET YARDS RUSHING............. 233 185

  Rushing Attempts............       62       30
  Average Per Rush............      3.8      6.2
  Rushing Touchdowns..........        6        2
  Yards Gained Rushing........      246      195
  Yards Lost Rushing..........       13       10
NET YARDS PASSING.............      149      225
  Completions-Attempts-Int....   9-10-0  13-25-3

KENT-Western Michigan
NET YARDS RUSHING.............      182      259
  Rushing Attempts............       42       32
  Average Per Rush............      4.3      8.1
  Rushing Touchdowns..........        0        4
  Yards Gained Rushing........      198      280
  Yards Lost Rushing..........       16       21
NET YARDS PASSING.............      249      167
  Completions-Attempts-Int....  26-40-2  22-33-1

Imposters-Kent
NET YARDS RUSHING.............       50      140
  Rushing Attempts............       37       36
  Average Per Rush............      1.4      3.9
  Rushing Touchdowns..........        0        3
  Yards Gained Rushing........      101      156
  Yards Lost Rushing..........       51       16
NET YARDS PASSING.............      133      100
  Completions-Attempts-Int....  14-27-2  11-19-0

Rushing              No Gain Loss  Net TD Lg  Avg -------------------------------------------------
BATES, Phil           6   31    0   31  0 15  5.2
DAVIDSON, Vince       7   19    0   19  0  6  2.7
HERSHEY, Paul         1    7    0    7  0  7  7.0
THOMPSON, J.          1    1    0    1  0  1  1.0
HARDEN, Donte         2    0    2   -2  0  0 -1.0
JACKSON, Boo         20   43   49   -6  0 12 -0.3

So why did Kent give up all these rushing yards in the immediate two games to these
other teams when Ohio had a superior rush advantage to Western Michigan for the year?  
Either Kent made adjustments to their run defense on very short notice or Ohio didn't 
watch Army and Western game films and try to exploit which was clearly two beatdowns on 
the Kent vaunted defensive line?

Last Edited: 12/1/2010 8:40:17 PM by MonroeClassmate

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Posted: 12/1/2010 11:33:59 PM

Yeah, we ran that jet sweep once, prolly as a set-up play and we never came back to it. That should have been OUr strength, having 2 QB's on the field that can both run and pass. We didn't use these plays as much as we should have. We should have put Riley in the slot for hot reads from Boo. We should've done something other than the zone option read up the middle for little or no gain. But we didn't, we simply crapped the bed, with long johns on...
edit: As I previously stated during the game, Boo looked scared to throw the ball from the start.

Last Edited: 12/1/2010 11:53:06 PM by T-Rodge

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Posted: 12/2/2010 2:09:37 AM

Wanny, I'd really like to acknowledge the good sense of your take.

Really, I want to. But I can't

Abandon the passing game totally--good strategy. All in all, we didn't adjust, didn't try something to counter what kents was doing. If we had and it didn't work, then no griping. But we didn't.

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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:20:43 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Monroe, you were reading my post during the game, I was head scratching like the rest of us while watching. All I am saying is the unknown factor to us at home was the wind. I still do not know anymore than the fact that teams were taking timeouts to kick with the wind and what the announcers told us. I stated as a matter of opinion that the wind could have had a role in the play calling, and you proceede to say the wind doesn't matter....That is where I disagree, wind does effect the flight of a ball.

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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:39:09 AM

I was at the game, the wind was nasty. I'm assuming the wind played a role as there were open people down field, but we rarely attempted to throw to them. Choosing instead to throw into coverage on shorter throws (when we had time).

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Posted: 12/2/2010 8:56:57 AM

KingGeorge, are you saying the wind could effect a throw????? NO WAY!!!! Not possible!

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Posted: 12/2/2010 10:42:31 AM

Yes way! That place is a wind tunnel. Passing long was going to be a problem. They played a great defense with the weather. Not a good day for us, our offense went very vanilla and the weather played a role. Not the total reason, but a part of it.

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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:04:48 AM

The wind was only averaging 20mph, a couch potato can throw a ball 30 yards down field into that kind of wind, why couldn't we?

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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:07:21 AM

The problem with the play calling in the Kent game was that we kept going to the same plays even though they clearly weren't working. Yes the wind undoubtedly factored into the play calling, but after 3 1/2 quarters of running the ball up the middle, would it have really hurt that much to at least try a couple down field passes? Even if they weren't completed, you might at least move the safeties back a few steps.

I don't doubt that there was some logic to the game plan, but our staff seems unable or unwilling at times to shake things up when the original plan isn't working.

Last Edited: 12/2/2010 11:09:18 AM by Flomo-genized

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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:10:01 AM

It seemed stronger that day. We played tentative and slow. That hurt us along with the wind. Why couldn't we throw, have to ask the coaches and qb's. The passes were not getting there and they had little time for plays to develope.

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Posted: 12/2/2010 12:05:13 PM

Field position also factors in here, and we rarely had good field position. Our average starting field position was the -27yardline and in the first half we started 4 drives at our 20 or less. While Kent's average position was the -45 yard line. This started primarily due to the blocked FG, which turned the Field Position battle against us for the remainder of the half.

We called 34 pass plays, were sacked 7 times, we completed 14 of the 27 for 13 ypc.....13ypc is a very good number, the 50% comp is the poor number as well as the 2/16 on 3rd down.

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Posted: 12/2/2010 5:35:48 PM

You people are absolute morons. Have you even played the game of football, let alone attempted to coach it (your son's pee wee team doesn't count)? You are allowed to have an opinion, but typically the more a person attempts to express these opinions the more ignorant they sound (especially with the grammar some of you use). Everyone on the coaching staff at Ohio does an excellent job in all aspects of managing and coaching a winning program. How about showing some positive support to help create an enviroment which promotes football. Instead of degrading and speaking of things MOST of you do not know, either shut up or be positive. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.

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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:11:43 PM

Flomo-genized wrote:

Flomo slams it on the head.

Great first post, sholtis. You are true; nobody could possibly have a right thought unless they are a coach with many years of experience. In fact, no one should be allowed to become a coach unless they have many years of experience as a coach.

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