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Topic:  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
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OU_Country
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/19/2020 4:56:26 PM 
Kinggeorge4 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Nothing like NC Central, Boston College, and Texas State to get you excited! ;)


I feel the same way about Marshall. I sigh every time I see them on the schedule. Not interested at all.


But NC Central gets you wound up and ready to come to Peden, right??!!? :-)
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/19/2020 5:41:25 PM 
Great read here on the negative effects of the conference's television deal and MACtion on its fans. Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere before.

https://www.theringer.com/2019/11/19/20972679/mac-midweek...

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/19/2020 5:45:05 PM 
Kinggeorge4 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Nothing like NC Central, Boston College, and Texas State to get you excited! ;)


I feel the same way about Marshall. I sigh every time I see them on the schedule. Not interested at all.


I'm actually with you on this. Sure they are a rival and probably the best peer team Ohio will face year-to-year, but there is no fire to make this game what it really should be.

Now...if Marshall were willing to admit that Conference-USA is a sinking ship and came back to the MAC? I might change my tune.

Marshall in the East, Western Kentucky in the West. Make it happen.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/20/2020 8:25:41 AM 
While it may not move the needle for casual fans as much as hosting a P5 opponent, I like the Marshall series and in an ideal world, I want it played every year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/20/2020 10:01:14 AM 
Phil Steele's college football preview annually features a toughest schedule page in it each year. In the past decade or so Ohio has been ranked at or near dead last, meaning, it faces one (if not the) easiest schedule in all of college football (FBS). Now, some of it is attributed to playing in the MAC, and facing the MAC East, but the deciding part that separates Ohio from its MAC peers is the non-conference schedule. Ohio is almost always playing the weakest non-conference schedule in the MAC each season. What's more, it also feeds into the fact that Ohio has NEVER beaten a ranked team in its history. That stat still surprises me based on all the years of competition. However, you can't actually beat a ranked team unless you actually play one. And since Solich has arrived, Ohio has faced very few ranked non-conference foes while our MAC peers have faced many more. In some cases, tons more. I for one would love to see Ohio beef up its non-conference schedule. I like the regional matchup of Marshall and I understand the logic of an FCS home game, but the other two each season could be much better. Ohio often takes the route of one bad/mediocre Power Five school and another Group of Five opponent. It would just be nice to see Ohio set its sights higher and mix it up more often by taking on a couple good/ranked Power Five teams as well with those two open games.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/20/2020 10:49:43 AM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
Phil Steele's college football preview annually features a toughest schedule page in it each year. In the past decade or so Ohio has been ranked at or near dead last, meaning, it faces one (if not the) easiest schedule in all of college football (FBS). Now, some of it is attributed to playing in the MAC, and facing the MAC East, but the deciding part that separates Ohio from its MAC peers is the non-conference schedule. Ohio is almost always playing the weakest non-conference schedule in the MAC each season. What's more, it also feeds into the fact that Ohio has NEVER beaten a ranked team in its history. That stat still surprises me based on all the years of competition. However, you can't actually beat a ranked team unless you actually play one. And since Solich has arrived, Ohio has faced very few ranked non-conference foes while our MAC peers have faced many more. In some cases, tons more. I for one would love to see Ohio beef up its non-conference schedule. I like the regional matchup of Marshall and I understand the logic of an FCS home game, but the other two each season could be much better. Ohio often takes the route of one bad/mediocre Power Five school and another Group of Five opponent. It would just be nice to see Ohio set its sights higher and mix it up more often by taking on a couple good/ranked Power Five teams as well with those two open games.


I think the last time we came close to beating a ranked team was a home game against Toledo in one of the earlier Frank years. As I recall we had some stupid penalties in that game that cost us dearly. Anybody remember the details?

Last Edited: 2/20/2020 10:49:57 AM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/20/2020 11:40:39 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
Phil Steele's college football preview annually features a toughest schedule page in it each year. In the past decade or so Ohio has been ranked at or near dead last, meaning, it faces one (if not the) easiest schedule in all of college football (FBS). Now, some of it is attributed to playing in the MAC, and facing the MAC East, but the deciding part that separates Ohio from its MAC peers is the non-conference schedule. Ohio is almost always playing the weakest non-conference schedule in the MAC each season. What's more, it also feeds into the fact that Ohio has NEVER beaten a ranked team in its history. That stat still surprises me based on all the years of competition. However, you can't actually beat a ranked team unless you actually play one. And since Solich has arrived, Ohio has faced very few ranked non-conference foes while our MAC peers have faced many more. In some cases, tons more. I for one would love to see Ohio beef up its non-conference schedule. I like the regional matchup of Marshall and I understand the logic of an FCS home game, but the other two each season could be much better. Ohio often takes the route of one bad/mediocre Power Five school and another Group of Five opponent. It would just be nice to see Ohio set its sights higher and mix it up more often by taking on a couple good/ranked Power Five teams as well with those two open games.


I think the last time we came close to beating a ranked team was a home game against Toledo in one of the earlier Frank years. As I recall we had some stupid penalties in that game that cost us dearly. Anybody remember the details?


The only other close loss to a ranked team that I am recalling was during the Grobe years when the Cats lost to Kansas State 23-20. Another when hopes were high was at OSU when the Cats led heading into the 4th qtr.



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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/20/2020 12:13:51 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
Phil Steele's college football preview annually features a toughest schedule page in it each year. In the past decade or so Ohio has been ranked at or near dead last, meaning, it faces one (if not the) easiest schedule in all of college football (FBS). Now, some of it is attributed to playing in the MAC, and facing the MAC East, but the deciding part that separates Ohio from its MAC peers is the non-conference schedule. Ohio is almost always playing the weakest non-conference schedule in the MAC each season. What's more, it also feeds into the fact that Ohio has NEVER beaten a ranked team in its history. That stat still surprises me based on all the years of competition. However, you can't actually beat a ranked team unless you actually play one. And since Solich has arrived, Ohio has faced very few ranked non-conference foes while our MAC peers have faced many more. In some cases, tons more. I for one would love to see Ohio beef up its non-conference schedule. I like the regional matchup of Marshall and I understand the logic of an FCS home game, but the other two each season could be much better. Ohio often takes the route of one bad/mediocre Power Five school and another Group of Five opponent. It would just be nice to see Ohio set its sights higher and mix it up more often by taking on a couple good/ranked Power Five teams as well with those two open games.


I think the last time we came close to beating a ranked team was a home game against Toledo in one of the earlier Frank years. As I recall we had some stupid penalties in that game that cost us dearly. Anybody remember the details?


The only other close loss to a ranked team that I am recalling was during the Grobe years when the Cats lost to Kansas State 23-20. Another when hopes were high was at OSU when the Cats led heading into the 4th qtr.


As I remember, that Kansas State game was on TV for some reason and the Bobcats late in the game were physically "working over" the Wildcats. I especially enjoyed the game for that reason. At the time I thought Kansas State was a bit lucky to hang on.

We really had a good shot in that OSU game; dare I say we should have won. The muffed punt was, of course, costly but the kickoff (or punt?) return by OSU was questionable and bothered me the most. During a replay of the return I recall the ESPN commentator, saying, "there's one hold, there's another. Ah, what makes the difference". To this day I don't know if he was referencing the Bobcats being homered on that play or a lack of respect for us. I like to think it was the former. Still bothers me to this day. Need to let go. :-)
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/20/2020 1:18:23 PM 
Most recent close call would be the last mac title game vs wmu
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/20/2020 2:52:53 PM 
CatsUp wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
Phil Steele's college football preview annually features a toughest schedule page in it each year. In the past decade or so Ohio has been ranked at or near dead last, meaning, it faces one (if not the) easiest schedule in all of college football (FBS). Now, some of it is attributed to playing in the MAC, and facing the MAC East, but the deciding part that separates Ohio from its MAC peers is the non-conference schedule. Ohio is almost always playing the weakest non-conference schedule in the MAC each season. What's more, it also feeds into the fact that Ohio has NEVER beaten a ranked team in its history. That stat still surprises me based on all the years of competition. However, you can't actually beat a ranked team unless you actually play one. And since Solich has arrived, Ohio has faced very few ranked non-conference foes while our MAC peers have faced many more. In some cases, tons more. I for one would love to see Ohio beef up its non-conference schedule. I like the regional matchup of Marshall and I understand the logic of an FCS home game, but the other two each season could be much better. Ohio often takes the route of one bad/mediocre Power Five school and another Group of Five opponent. It would just be nice to see Ohio set its sights higher and mix it up more often by taking on a couple good/ranked Power Five teams as well with those two open games.


I think the last time we came close to beating a ranked team was a home game against Toledo in one of the earlier Frank years. As I recall we had some stupid penalties in that game that cost us dearly. Anybody remember the details?


The only other close loss to a ranked team that I am recalling was during the Grobe years when the Cats lost to Kansas State 23-20. Another when hopes were high was at OSU when the Cats led heading into the 4th qtr.


As I remember, that Kansas State game was on TV for some reason and the Bobcats late in the game were physically "working over" the Wildcats. I especially enjoyed the game for that reason. At the time I thought Kansas State was a bit lucky to hang on.

We really had a good shot in that OSU game; dare I say we should have won. The muffed punt was, of course, costly but the kickoff (or punt?) return by OSU was questionable and bothered me the most. During a replay of the return I recall the ESPN commentator, saying, "there's one hold, there's another. Ah, what makes the difference". To this day I don't know if he was referencing the Bobcats being homered on that play or a lack of respect for us. I like to think it was the former. Still bothers me to this day. Need to let go. :-)


On the OSU post game radio show, Tressel and a player both readily admitted that the punt return TD should have been called back because of a penalty.



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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/20/2020 7:36:31 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
The home games with Iowa St in 2023 and Syracuse in 2021 are nice for fans, but they are not a good deal financially for Ohio. Home and Home deals with Syracuse and Iowa State will not bring in a pay day for the Bobcats. Don't be shocked if one of those Syracuse or Iowa State games get scratched. Those deals were negotiated by the former AD as was the Cincy game. The Bearcats shoved the Ohio game on the back burner and are now getting paid huge bucks to play at Notre Dame in 2021. Don't hold your breath on the Bearcats traveling to Athens any time soon. Playing at Illinois in 2025 will bring in over a million and the pay day at Nebraska in 2026 should be much larger than the Illinois game.


Cincy does the same thing to just about everybody. It was something like 8 years between their home-and-home games vs O$U.


That time between home and home games with OSU was driven by OSU, not UC.


Interesting, I had made an assumption based on timing of events and scheduling announcements that moving the UC return game farther out than it already was, and it was already originally scheduled several years after the trip to Cincy last year, was at OUr request and not UC's. But it was an assumption and perhaps I am wrong.

OUr schedule consists on one home game and one away game each pat of their own home and home series, a pay-out road game with a P5, and a pay-in home game with an FCS every year. If I recall we had a pay-out game scheduled at Syracuse the same year the home game of the series with Cincy was scheduled. The Syracuse pay-out game got moved to Athens because Syracuse was not sure if planned renovations were going to be complete or something like that. That got turned into a home and home withe first game in Athens. Home and home series with P5s are unusual and having the home game first almost never happens. That, the pay-out game at Penn St. signed for that same year, and the moving of the UC home game years out all happened pretty much at once. I assumed what happened is that we had the opportunity to have the home game with Syracuse as part of a home an home, which is an opportunity that only comes around so often, and that replaced UC as that game on the schedule. Penn St. replaced Syracuse as the pay-out game. UC had to be moved which probably was not hard for UC to accommodate since it was their road game. Someone let me know if they know that this is wrong.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/21/2020 7:58:19 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
Kinggeorge4 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Nothing like NC Central, Boston College, and Texas State to get you excited! ;)


I feel the same way about Marshall. I sigh every time I see them on the schedule. Not interested at all.


But NC Central gets you wound up and ready to come to Peden, right??!!? :-)

About the same. Marshall gives us so little. At least I haven't seen NC Central.


GO BOBCATS
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC OOC games in 2020
   Posted: 2/21/2020 2:17:11 PM 
Marshall is usually a very competitive game and Herd fans travel very well.
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