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CoachGoldy34
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  Message Not Read  Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/8/2021 7:55:35 AM 

 
 
 
 
 
 


Athens guy, has kids in the school system. Player coach-players seem to have fun playing for him-haven't seen players have so much fun in smith's era. I think he deserves it.


Im Coach Beau Goldschmidt. Athens raised, Lancuster made. I am a coach for a D1 baseball pipeline in center/SE Ohio. Love the Bobcats.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/10/2021 10:40:30 AM 
The start to the season has been very promising. He seems on his way to losing the interim tag.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/10/2021 1:19:50 PM 
The first two points are irrelevant.

Does appear to have team in right directions so should be considered.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/10/2021 6:00:41 PM 
Yes!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/11/2021 7:34:16 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
The first two points are irrelevant.

Does appear to have team in right directions so should be considered.


That is where you are wrong-shows you clearly have not been exposed to an environment such as this. Having a connected players coach with a high G.A.S. level is everything to a player, especially in D1. Trust me, I would know. KNOW THE GAME


Im Coach Beau Goldschmidt. Athens raised, Lancuster made. I am a coach for a D1 baseball pipeline in center/SE Ohio. Love the Bobcats.

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   Posted: 3/11/2021 9:45:23 AM 
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
The first two points are irrelevant.

Does appear to have team in right directions so should be considered.


That is where you are wrong-shows you clearly have not been exposed to an environment such as this. Having a connected players coach with a high G.A.S. level is everything to a player, especially in D1. Trust me, I would know. KNOW THE GAME


I would agree that the players/coach connection is a big factor at the D1 level, much more of a factor than the HS level. You don't have to look very far into Bobcats baseball past to see the difference a change at the top can make. With that change came a massive boost in morale and really energized the program.

Carbone = 1 MAC championship in 24 years
Smith = 2 MAC championships in 8 years
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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/11/2021 10:36:03 AM 
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
The first two points are irrelevant.

Does appear to have team in right directions so should be considered.


That is where you are wrong-shows you clearly have not been exposed to an environment such as this. Having a connected players coach with a high G.A.S. level is everything to a player, especially in D1. Trust me, I would know. KNOW THE GAME


I think I agree with you, but I have no idea what a "G.A.S. level" is? Can you explain?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/11/2021 11:15:04 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
The first two points are irrelevant.

Does appear to have team in right directions so should be considered.


That is where you are wrong-shows you clearly have not been exposed to an environment such as this. Having a connected players coach with a high G.A.S. level is everything to a player, especially in D1. Trust me, I would know. KNOW THE GAME


I think I agree with you, but I have no idea what a "G.A.S. level" is? Can you explain?


I'm pretty sure we are getting trolled by ole Beau...
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   Posted: 3/11/2021 12:57:19 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
The first two points are irrelevant.

Does appear to have team in right directions so should be considered.


That is where you are wrong-shows you clearly have not been exposed to an environment such as this. Having a connected players coach with a high G.A.S. level is everything to a player, especially in D1. Trust me, I would know. KNOW THE GAME


I would agree that the players/coach connection is a big factor at the D1 level, much more of a factor than the HS level. You don't have to look very far into Bobcats baseball past to see the difference a change at the top can make. With that change came a massive boost in morale and really energized the program.

Carbone = 1 MAC championship in 24 years
Smith = 2 MAC championships in 8 years


And in those 8 years only one good season.
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   Posted: 3/11/2021 1:39:37 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
The first two points are irrelevant.

Does appear to have team in right directions so should be considered.


That is where you are wrong-shows you clearly have not been exposed to an environment such as this. Having a connected players coach with a high G.A.S. level is everything to a player, especially in D1. Trust me, I would know. KNOW THE GAME


I would agree that the players/coach connection is a big factor at the D1 level, much more of a factor than the HS level. You don't have to look very far into Bobcats baseball past to see the difference a change at the top can make. With that change came a massive boost in morale and really energized the program.

Carbone = 1 MAC championship in 24 years
Smith = 2 MAC championships in 8 years


And in those 8 years only one good season.


I'd say 2 good seasons lol
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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/11/2021 4:30:39 PM 
G.A.S. is a coaching saying for give a s***. All about players and coaches being committed to the progrum.


Im Coach Beau Goldschmidt. Athens raised, Lancuster made. I am a coach for a D1 baseball pipeline in center/SE Ohio. Love the Bobcats.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/11/2021 4:31:44 PM 
2 MAC championship under Rob Smith. I'd say that's pretty good.


Im Coach Beau Goldschmidt. Athens raised, Lancuster made. I am a coach for a D1 baseball pipeline in center/SE Ohio. Love the Bobcats.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/11/2021 11:32:28 PM 
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
G.A.S. is a coaching saying for give a s***. All about players and coaches being committed to the progrum.


Thanks.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/12/2021 8:06:50 AM 
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
2 MAC championship under Rob Smith. I'd say that's pretty good.


Seasons, not tournament runs. The one MAC title we were average in the regular season and go hot on the one weekend. Sorry, thatís not a season.

He was 159 - 230 career at OhIO! Thatís a .408 winning percentage! Against a horrible schedule

Was 75 - 107 in MAC play! Thatís a .412 winning percentage in one of the weaker leagues in America.

Sorry, if that gets you excited you need to evaluate what good is! No one would accept that from Basketball.

Two winning seasons

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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/12/2021 9:26:01 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
2 MAC championship under Rob Smith. I'd say that's pretty good.


Seasons, not tournament runs. The one MAC title we were average in the regular season and go hot on the one weekend. Sorry, thatís not a season.

He was 159 - 230 career at OhIO! Thatís a .408 winning percentage! Against a horrible schedule

Was 75 - 107 in MAC play! Thatís a .412 winning percentage in one of the weaker leagues in America.

Sorry, if that gets you excited you need to evaluate what good is! No one would accept that from Basketball.

Two winning seasons


Stats don't lie but neither does hardware.

The program that Smith took over was so far behind the times you couldn't imagine.
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   Posted: 3/12/2021 9:41:32 AM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
2 MAC championship under Rob Smith. I'd say that's pretty good.


Seasons, not tournament runs. The one MAC title we were average in the regular season and go hot on the one weekend. Sorry, thatís not a season.

He was 159 - 230 career at OhIO! Thatís a .408 winning percentage! Against a horrible schedule

Was 75 - 107 in MAC play! Thatís a .412 winning percentage in one of the weaker leagues in America.

Sorry, if that gets you excited you need to evaluate what good is! No one would accept that from Basketball.

Two winning seasons


Stats don't lie but neither does hardware.

The program that Smith took over was so far behind the times you couldn't imagine.


His two tournament titles and only winning seasons happened in the first 5 years and his best team had some hold over players. Look at the results when the roster turned fully over.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/12/2021 11:12:00 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
2 MAC championship under Rob Smith. I'd say that's pretty good.


Seasons, not tournament runs. The one MAC title we were average in the regular season and go hot on the one weekend. Sorry, thatís not a season.

He was 159 - 230 career at OhIO! Thatís a .408 winning percentage! Against a horrible schedule

Was 75 - 107 in MAC play! Thatís a .412 winning percentage in one of the weaker leagues in America.

Sorry, if that gets you excited you need to evaluate what good is! No one would accept that from Basketball.

Two winning seasons


Stats don't lie but neither does hardware.

The program that Smith took over was so far behind the times you couldn't imagine.


His two tournament titles and only winning seasons happened in the first 5 years and his best team had some hold over players. Look at the results when the roster turned fully over.



Yeah and his first roster had 8 PITCHERS. 8. 4 of them either quit/got cut/injured. He converted 3 infielders to pitchers that season. 2013 go ahead and check it out. I'm not a conspiracy guy but the previous regime may have sabotaged the roster b/c they were pissed "their guy" didn't get the gig.
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spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
2 MAC championship under Rob Smith. I'd say that's pretty good.


Seasons, not tournament runs. The one MAC title we were average in the regular season and go hot on the one weekend. Sorry, thatís not a season.

He was 159 - 230 career at OhIO! Thatís a .408 winning percentage! Against a horrible schedule

Was 75 - 107 in MAC play! Thatís a .412 winning percentage in one of the weaker leagues in America.

Sorry, if that gets you excited you need to evaluate what good is! No one would accept that from Basketball.

Two winning seasons


Stats don't lie but neither does hardware.

The program that Smith took over was so far behind the times you couldn't imagine.


His two tournament titles and only winning seasons happened in the first 5 years and his best team had some hold over players. Look at the results when the roster turned fully over.



Yeah and his first roster had 8 PITCHERS. 8. 4 of them either quit/got cut/injured. He converted 3 infielders to pitchers that season. 2013 go ahead and check it out. I'm not a conspiracy guy but the previous regime may have sabotaged the roster b/c they were pissed "their guy" didn't get the gig.


Ok, so why or how do you explain the last three years? Those Carboneís fault? Covid saved the job last year as they were well on their way to another poor season. If you are excited about a .408 winning percentage over 8 years, then I donít know what to tell you. How many times did they fail to make the MAC tournament?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Does Craig Moore deserve to be the full-time head coach?
   Posted: 3/12/2021 12:58:33 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
2 MAC championship under Rob Smith. I'd say that's pretty good.


Seasons, not tournament runs. The one MAC title we were average in the regular season and go hot on the one weekend. Sorry, thatís not a season.

He was 159 - 230 career at OhIO! Thatís a .408 winning percentage! Against a horrible schedule

Was 75 - 107 in MAC play! Thatís a .412 winning percentage in one of the weaker leagues in America.

Sorry, if that gets you excited you need to evaluate what good is! No one would accept that from Basketball.

Two winning seasons


Stats don't lie but neither does hardware.

The program that Smith took over was so far behind the times you couldn't imagine.


His two tournament titles and only winning seasons happened in the first 5 years and his best team had some hold over players. Look at the results when the roster turned fully over.



Yeah and his first roster had 8 PITCHERS. 8. 4 of them either quit/got cut/injured. He converted 3 infielders to pitchers that season. 2013 go ahead and check it out. I'm not a conspiracy guy but the previous regime may have sabotaged the roster b/c they were pissed "their guy" didn't get the gig.


Ok, so why or how do you explain the last three years? Those Carboneís fault? Covid saved the job last year as they were well on their way to another poor season. If you are excited about a .408 winning percentage over 8 years, then I donít know what to tell you. How many times did they fail to make the MAC tournament?


I'm not saying I'm excited about a winning % below .500. Just want to make it clear that Smith had to dig this program up from the grave. Not only recruiting and roster management, but also equipment deals (used to have to wear hand-me-down gear that previous players used), revamping the strength/conditioning program (Carbone players used to pull of what they called "perfect games" if they could go through an entire lifting session without breaking a sweat, I was there to witness it), completely upgrading the facility, I could go on and on and on.

To be able to manage all of that and still make 2 MAC tournament runs is impressive regardless if the regular season records were let downs. If it were so easy, where are all of Carbone's rings at?

Carbone went out idolized by everybody on the outside and left behind a dumpster fire. Period.
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spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
2 MAC championship under Rob Smith. I'd say that's pretty good.


Seasons, not tournament runs. The one MAC title we were average in the regular season and go hot on the one weekend. Sorry, thatís not a season.

He was 159 - 230 career at OhIO! Thatís a .408 winning percentage! Against a horrible schedule

Was 75 - 107 in MAC play! Thatís a .412 winning percentage in one of the weaker leagues in America.

Sorry, if that gets you excited you need to evaluate what good is! No one would accept that from Basketball.

Two winning seasons


Stats don't lie but neither does hardware.

The program that Smith took over was so far behind the times you couldn't imagine.


His two tournament titles and only winning seasons happened in the first 5 years and his best team had some hold over players. Look at the results when the roster turned fully over.



Yeah and his first roster had 8 PITCHERS. 8. 4 of them either quit/got cut/injured. He converted 3 infielders to pitchers that season. 2013 go ahead and check it out. I'm not a conspiracy guy but the previous regime may have sabotaged the roster b/c they were pissed "their guy" didn't get the gig.


Ok, so why or how do you explain the last three years? Those Carboneís fault? Covid saved the job last year as they were well on their way to another poor season. If you are excited about a .408 winning percentage over 8 years, then I donít know what to tell you. How many times did they fail to make the MAC tournament?


I'm not saying I'm excited about a winning % below .500. Just want to make it clear that Smith had to dig this program up from the grave. Not only recruiting and roster management, but also equipment deals (used to have to wear hand-me-down gear that previous players used), revamping the strength/conditioning program (Carbone players used to pull of what they called "perfect games" if they could go through an entire lifting session without breaking a sweat, I was there to witness it), completely upgrading the facility, I could go on and on and on.

To be able to manage all of that and still make 2 MAC tournament runs is impressive regardless if the regular season records were let downs. If it were so easy, where are all of Carbone's rings at?

Carbone went out idolized by everybody on the outside and left behind a dumpster fire. Period.


Again, he dug it out, then by his record, started digging his own hole. Give him a pass for his first two years, Iím all about that, then judge him when the roster totally flipped and he owns his final 3 years. Tell me those final 3 left you with a wooden bat between your legs?
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   Posted: 3/18/2021 10:29:59 AM 
Just to clear a few things up.

Carbone was not left idolized by as many as one might assume. He always had his good old boys supporting him being basically an adopted Athens son, but he stayed too long. Once Toadvine passed away, the program was never really the same.

Making the MAC tournament was harder in the past. During Carboneís era, there was either no MAC tournament, 4 teams, or 6 teams until his final few years. Takes the randomness of getting hot at the right time away. Itís much easier to limp into the playoffs now, especially with eliminated programs.

Ohio had deals with Easton, Akadema, New Era and Adidas. Iím not sure what else you want. The only hand me downs were jerseys and practice equipment, but that has to do with the athletic department in general. Ohio was always above average in equipment deals at least through the 2000s.

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Donuts wrote:
Just to clear a few things up.

Carbone was not left idolized by as many as one might assume. He always had his good old boys supporting him being basically an adopted Athens son, but he stayed too long. Once Toadvine passed away, the program was never really the same.

Making the MAC tournament was harder in the past. During Carboneís era, there was either no MAC tournament, 4 teams, or 6 teams until his final few years. Takes the randomness of getting hot at the right time away. Itís much easier to limp into the playoffs now, especially with eliminated programs.

Ohio had deals with Easton, Akadema, New Era and Adidas. Iím not sure what else you want. The only hand me downs were jerseys and practice equipment, but that has to do with the athletic department in general. Ohio was always above average in equipment deals at least through the 2000s.


+1 on all accounts.
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   Posted: 3/21/2021 4:41:39 PM 
I have only one question before I decide if I think he deserves to be the full time head coach. Does he live in Athens or in New Albany?
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   Posted: 3/22/2021 5:38:23 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
I have only one question before I decide if I think he deserves to be the full time head coach. Does he live in Athens or in New Albany?


Haha, a guy who just got promoted as an acting head coach in college baseball probably couldnít afford the gas to make that type of commute and cause that level of controversy. Now if you drop the ďNewĒ that town might fit into the budget a bit better.
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   Posted: 3/24/2021 4:15:24 PM 
CoachGoldy34 wrote:
G.A.S. is a coaching saying for give a s***. All about players and coaches being committed to the progrum.


And I can assure you, a HS recruit doesn't give a s*** if the coach is from the town or if his kids are enrolled in the local school system.
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