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   Posted: 1/28/2022 12:20:15 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
The wrecking ball was active during my stint at OHIO.

Watched Ewing Hall and Howard Hall come tumbling down. Nothing rebuilt in either locations.

Too bad Scott Quad couldn't become the math building or the music building and instead tear down the significantly UGLY Morton or Glidden Halls. Now those are some real campus treasures from the exterior point of view.


I didn't mind Ewing coming down. I had a class there in the basement auditorium. Wood everywhere and the only exit were the stairs leading up to ground level. A firetrap. I too hated to see lovely Howard fall. We then donated to the creation of the park on that site.


Agreed with your earlier post, Mike, about the differences between Europeans and Americans in attitudes toward building preservation. I don't agree, though, on Ewing. It's stain glass windows were priceless, and are now preserved in a museum, but they looked much better in their original location. The fire hazard you mentioned could have been remedied without the need to tear down a building named after our most famous early graduate and foster father of General W. T. Sherman! ;-)

At least no one in the Cubs organization has proposed tearing down Wrigley Field!


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   Posted: 1/28/2022 6:11:23 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
The wrecking ball was active during my stint at OHIO.

Watched Ewing Hall and Howard Hall come tumbling down. Nothing rebuilt in either locations.

Too bad Scott Quad couldn't become the math building or the music building and instead tear down the significantly UGLY Morton or Glidden Halls. Now those are some real campus treasures from the exterior point of view.


I didn't mind Ewing coming down. I had a class there in the basement auditorium. Wood everywhere and the only exit were the stairs leading up to ground level. A firetrap. I too hated to see lovely Howard fall. We then donated to the creation of the park on that site.


Agreed with your earlier post, Mike, about the differences between Europeans and Americans in attitudes toward building preservation. I don't agree, though, on Ewing. It's stain glass windows were priceless, and are now preserved in a museum, but they looked much better in their original location. The fire hazard you mentioned could have been remedied without the need to tear down a building named after our most famous early graduate and foster father of General W. T. Sherman! ;-)

At least no one in the Cubs organization has proposed tearing down Wrigley Field!


I confess to not remembering the stained glass windows. I recall only that basement auditorium and the building's yellow brick exterior.


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   Posted: 1/28/2022 7:52:16 AM 
Cellis033 wrote:
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This makes me sad about the state of the university but also on a personal level. I was an RA in Scott Quad for two years. It was at the time the smallest dorm on campus (88 residents, I think). Quiet study and upperclass when I was there. It attracted a lot of international students, and I made friends from around the world that I still keep in touch with to this day. I guess the newer dorms are what kids want now, but it's hard to imagine something made more solidly than that building. I agree with a lot of the comments on our disposable culture and unwillingness to put a little effort into saving things worth saving.


I hope they can find a way to repurpose it. I've heard from kids that last roomed there in 2019, that Scott Quad had a bad mold problem to the extent that mold would actually form on their walls after being carried through the HVAC system. Maintenance apparently would just come and scrape the mold off the walls. One of my gf's closest friends roomed there then and had to deal with a bad sinus infection most likely due to the mold.


The mold problem was why the departments in there moved. The building was going to need some serious renovation to correct that problem along with others. They have been battling these issues for years.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 1/28/2022 9:19:03 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
The wrecking ball was active during my stint at OHIO.

Watched Ewing Hall and Howard Hall come tumbling down. Nothing rebuilt in either locations.

Too bad Scott Quad couldn't become the math building or the music building and instead tear down the significantly UGLY Morton or Glidden Halls. Now those are some real campus treasures from the exterior point of view.


I didn't mind Ewing coming down. I had a class there in the basement auditorium. Wood everywhere and the only exit were the stairs leading up to ground level. A firetrap. I too hated to see lovely Howard fall. We then donated to the creation of the park on that site.


Agreed with your earlier post, Mike, about the differences between Europeans and Americans in attitudes toward building preservation. I don't agree, though, on Ewing. It's stain glass windows were priceless, and are now preserved in a museum, but they looked much better in their original location. The fire hazard you mentioned could have been remedied without the need to tear down a building named after our most famous early graduate and foster father of General W. T. Sherman! ;-)

At least no one in the Cubs organization has proposed tearing down Wrigley Field!


Maybe not tear it down, but higher-ups within the cubs threatened for years to move out of wrigley field. Found a NYDailyNews story quoting their (then?) owner Tom Ricketts discussing it in 2013. Could it have been posturing related to negotiations for renovations and a cut of the bleacher money? Of course. But it was discussed
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   Posted: 1/28/2022 6:13:31 PM 
Aren't the stain glass windows lining Walter Hall from Ewing?

Last Edited: 1/28/2022 6:15:52 PM by stub

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   Posted: 1/28/2022 10:54:55 PM 
stub wrote:
Aren't the stain glass windows lining Walter Hall from Ewing?


Yep.

https://rvcarchitects.com/project/walter-hall-stained-gla... /
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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 1/30/2022 3:22:05 PM 
I hope they don't turn the space where Scott Quad was into a parking lot or another grass strip like they did when they bought and removed the diner. Make it into a walk through sculpture garden or something at least.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 1/30/2022 3:48:03 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
I was recently informed that the OU administration feels that the campus is 20% overbuilt. Having travelled most of the states east of the Mississippi and being a student of school architecture, there have been some amazing repurposings of old educational buildings that we might consider before bringing in the wrecking ball.


Overbuilt, but we are still building more ;-)

Makes sense


Going back to the master plan of 2016 the new building has gone up primarily for STEM purposes. They show a plan to remodel the buildings that housed the medical school I believe back into dorms.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-plan-calls-for-...

Basketball practice facility is in that diagram and a new pool/ice rink. New dorms in orange on new south aren't going to happen with enrollment. Both Scott Quad and the Computer Service Center build end up razed not reflected on this map. They could tear down a dorm or two on west green rather than renovate.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 3/19/2022 1:47:02 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
I was recently informed that the OU administration feels that the campus is 20% overbuilt. Having travelled most of the states east of the Mississippi and being a student of school architecture, there have been some amazing repurposings of old educational buildings that we might consider before bringing in the wrecking ball.


Overbuilt, but we are still building more ;-)

Makes sense


Going back to the master plan of 2016 the new building has gone up primarily for STEM purposes. They show a plan to remodel the buildings that housed the medical school I believe back into dorms.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-plan-calls-for-...

Basketball practice facility is in that diagram and a new pool/ice rink. New dorms in orange on new south aren't going to happen with enrollment. Both Scott Quad and the Computer Service Center build end up razed not reflected on this map. They could tear down a dorm or two on west green rather than renovate.


I took a stroll up to Scott Quad yesterday and I have to say, I hope they keep that courtyard. One of the more peaceful parts of campus! Unfortunately some of the brick paths in the courtyard are starting to get ripped up and bricks stolen.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 6/16/2022 9:34:46 PM 
Scott Quad confirmed to be demolished this summer and made into green space, incorporating the old stone nameplates: https://www.athensmessenger.com/news/ou-prepares-for-scot...

3.4 million in deferred maintenance on the structure. Crazy and incredibly sad. Scott Quad will join numerous other historical OU buildings biting the dust.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 6/17/2022 6:46:09 AM 
Cellis033 wrote:
Scott Quad confirmed to be demolished this summer and made into green space, incorporating the old stone nameplates: https://www.athensmessenger.com/news/ou-prepares-for-scot...

3.4 million in deferred maintenance on the structure. Crazy and incredibly sad. Scott Quad will join numerous other historical OU buildings biting the dust.


O.U.'s policy seems to be to decide well, in advance what structures, they
want/intend to demolish.

Then they "defer" maintenance to the point where they say it was more cost effective to demolish the structure.

Then, there's the "buyer's remorse".

Perfect example was the Tuberculosis Ward at The Ridges.
Seemed as soon as they were done knocking it down, they admitted that maybe
they shouldn't have.

Probably be the same with Scott Quad.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 6/17/2022 12:24:12 PM 
The tuberculosis ward was hellacious shape and never part of the student experience unlike Scott Quad which had been in service from the time it was built. There was much more uproar about it than what is coming from the tear down of Scott Quad. It might be a factor of less people caring these days.

Without Scott Quad it opens up the view toward South Green and the Botanical Research building. Makes that campus block appear more scenic.

Last Edited: 6/17/2022 12:24:38 PM by Club Hyatt


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   Posted: 6/17/2022 1:51:01 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
The tuberculosis ward was hellacious shape and never part of the student experience unlike Scott Quad which had been in service from the time it was built. There was much more uproar about it than what is coming from the tear down of Scott Quad. It might be a factor of less people caring these days.

Without Scott Quad it opens up the view toward South Green and the Botanical Research building. Makes that campus block appear more scenic.


I had a girlfriend who lived in Scott and it seemed like a dump, even back in 2003. The building was cool from the courtyard vantage point, but from every other angle it was just a big, square brick building.

Not sure it warrants an uproar, honestly. If we were ranking the most scenic, meaningful buildings on campus, I doubt it would fall in the top 25.
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   Posted: 6/17/2022 2:03:22 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
Scott Quad confirmed to be demolished this summer and made into green space, incorporating the old stone nameplates: https://www.athensmessenger.com/news/ou-prepares-for-scot...

3.4 million in deferred maintenance on the structure. Crazy and incredibly sad. Scott Quad will join numerous other historical OU buildings biting the dust.


O.U.'s policy seems to be to decide well, in advance what structures, they
want/intend to demolish.

Then they "defer" maintenance to the point where they say it was more cost effective to demolish the structure.

Then, there's the "buyer's remorse".

Perfect example was the Tuberculosis Ward at The Ridges.
Seemed as soon as they were done knocking it down, they admitted that maybe
they shouldn't have.

Probably be the same with Scott Quad.




Agree completely, rpbobcat. The administration of OHIO, going back through several administrations, has no historical sense at all. In Europe they still use buildings built a 1,000 years ago. Here we can't seem to renovate a building built in the last century. It's really not only an indictment of our university administration but of the total American mindset, BLSS' snide comments notwithstanding.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 6/17/2022 2:07:02 PM 
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I had a girlfriend who lived in Scott and it seemed like a dump, even back in 2003. The building was cool from the courtyard vantage point, but from every other angle it was just a big, square brick building.

Not sure it warrants an uproar, honestly. If we were ranking the most scenic, meaningful buildings on campus, I doubt it would fall in the top 25.


At one time "quadrangles" were quite popular on college campuses.

They have very unique architecture thanks to a courtyard.

If O.U. had other "quadrangles" an argument could be made for demolishing
it.

But Scott Quad is a one of a kind structure.

That in and of itself made it worth preserving.

From an historic/architectural perspective, preserving/repurposing Scott Quad made a lot more sense then what they did at 29 Park Place.






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   Posted: 6/17/2022 2:11:16 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:


At one time "quadrangles" were quite popular on college campuses.

They have very unique architecture thanks to a courtyard.

If O.U. had other "quadrangles" an argument could be made for demolishing
it.

But Scott Quad is a one of a kind structure.

That in and of itself made it worth preserving.

From an historic/architectural perspective, preserving/repurposing Scott Quad made a lot more sense then what they did at 29 Park Place.


I don't follow. Because Scott Quad's the only quad, it can never be replaced?

The Convo is the only basketball arena. Are we locked in there forever, too?
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   Posted: 6/17/2022 2:16:31 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
The tuberculosis ward was hellacious shape and never part of the student experience unlike Scott Quad which had been in service from the time it was built. There was much more uproar about it than what is coming from the tear down of Scott Quad. It might be a factor of less people caring these days.

Without Scott Quad it opens up the view toward South Green and the Botanical Research building. Makes that campus block appear more scenic.


I had a girlfriend who lived in Scott and it seemed like a dump, even back in 2003. The building was cool from the courtyard vantage point, but from every other angle it was just a big, square brick building.

Not sure it warrants an uproar, honestly. If we were ranking the most scenic, meaningful buildings on campus, I doubt it would fall in the top 25.


If Scott Quads condition was a D and 60/100 the TB wing was like a 7/100. With the damage to it looked like it was in the Ukraine-Russian war.


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   Posted: 6/17/2022 3:03:20 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:


At one time "quadrangles" were quite popular on college campuses.

They have very unique architecture thanks to a courtyard.

If O.U. had other "quadrangles" an argument could be made for demolishing
it.

But Scott Quad is a one of a kind structure.

That in and of itself made it worth preserving.

From an historic/architectural perspective, preserving/repurposing Scott Quad made a lot more sense then what they did at 29 Park Place.


I don't follow. Because Scott Quad's the only quad, it can never be replaced?

The Convo is the only basketball arena. Are we locked in there forever, too?


That's not what I said.

Scott Quad is unique, and has both historic/architectural significance.

29 Park Place has neither.

That's why it would have made more sense for O.U. to preserve/repurpose Scott Quad.

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   Posted: 6/17/2022 3:50:09 PM 
I'm sure they would take your large donation to save it, repair, repurpose and maintain it. Since so many are so passionate about it.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Goodbye Scott Quad...
   Posted: 6/17/2022 10:57:25 PM 

Remember the Pilcher House that used to house the university legal offices, and before that the Ohio University Post newspaper and the Athenian OU yearbook offices?  Our forward thinking, money-saving university bureaucrats comtemplated tearing it down.  However, private enterpriese stepped in, bought it, and renovated it into the offices of a realty company.  Perhaps, the good folks at Uptwon Realty Group could buy Scott Quad.  That would be a step forward.  Alas, I suspect the universitty braintrust would not sell it for sake of what they'd call campus integrity.  Just tear it down, and put up a parking lot . . . er "green space."  

Anyone else remember the story about Paul Newman and Scott Quad?  There are several versions of the legend floating around.  I'd be interested in what you've heard.

Link to Uptown Realty Group website, for those interested: https://athensuptownrealty.com

Hey, and there's even a Civil War connection.  For now, I'll leave that for you to discover on your own. ;-)    

 

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   Posted: 6/18/2022 11:30:38 AM 
Pilcher house was also adjacent to a downtown block. Locations of these buildings matter in the discussion. Scott Quad was an east green era building located on the corner of south green. Going east Morton is a south green building by design and going south takes you into Clippinger Hall.


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   Posted: 6/19/2022 10:14:35 AM 
The problem is the American mindset of tear down first, and ask questions later. If Scott Quad had been located, for instance, at the University of Tübingen, do you think it would be slated to be torn down? In many ways we've improved on European society, but this is not one of them!


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   Posted: 6/19/2022 1:55:10 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
The problem is the American mindset of tear down first, and ask questions later. If Scott Quad had been located, for instance, at the University of Tübingen, do you think it would be slated to be torn down? In many ways we've improved on European society, but this is not one of them!


I don't think that's an accurate description of the current state of building in America. I think it's pretty wildly off base, honestly.

It is actually much, much harder to build in the United States than in Europe largely because NIMBYists have very successfully weaponized historic and environmental preservationism at great cost to American growth.

That there are people who think Scott Quad, an unspectacular dorm building meets some historical threshold and shouldn't be replaced is a good example. I doubt Scott Quad shows up in university marketing materials; I don't think you can buy a postcard at any of the bookstores where it makes an appearance; it isn't in our commercials during national tv broadcasts. There are buildings worth preserving; Ohio's campus has a whole bunch of them that will never be replaced. But if you're willing to put Scott Quad on that level, it makes it impossible to replace anything.
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   Posted: 6/19/2022 10:51:49 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


I had a girlfriend who lived in Scott and it seemed like a dump, even back in 2003. The building was cool from the courtyard vantage point, but from every other angle it was just a big, square brick building.

Not sure it warrants an uproar, honestly. If we were ranking the most scenic, meaningful buildings on campus, I doubt it would fall in the top 25.


At one time "quadrangles" were quite popular on college campuses.

They have very unique architecture thanks to a courtyard.

If O.U. had other "quadrangles" an argument could be made for demolishing
it.

But Scott Quad is a one of a kind structure.

That in and of itself made it worth preserving.

From an historic/architectural perspective, preserving/repurposing Scott Quad made a lot more sense then what they did at 29 Park Place.








Like Gam, it's a quad with a courtyard
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   Posted: 6/19/2022 10:54:04 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:


At one time "quadrangles" were quite popular on college campuses.

They have very unique architecture thanks to a courtyard.

If O.U. had other "quadrangles" an argument could be made for demolishing
it.

But Scott Quad is a one of a kind structure.

That in and of itself made it worth preserving.

From an historic/architectural perspective, preserving/repurposing Scott Quad made a lot more sense then what they did at 29 Park Place.


I don't follow. Because Scott Quad's the only quad, it can never be replaced?

The Convo is the only basketball arena. Are we locked in there forever, too?


That's not what I said.

Scott Quad is unique, and has both historic/architectural significance.

29 Park Place has neither.

That's why it would have made more sense for O.U. to preserve/repurpose Scott Quad.



Funny thing is 29 Park Place, wasn't suitable for the President, but is not refurbished and is totally acceptable for office space. I guess Bats do not bother people at work.
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