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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 6:37:19 AM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
You can say a lot of things about the hazing policy, but I doubt it was hastily implemented or done in a vacuum.

In fact, the policy is very similar to those of other large universities in the state, and the activities at OU would violate the policies of those schools as well. I've picked the three largest by enrollment for comparison:

OSU has a policy that's at least as expansive as Ohio's: https://studentconduct.osu.edu/for-students/hazing /
UC: https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/trustees/docs/rules_40/... (the key element here is "A forced or coerced activity shall also be considered hazing when the initiation or admission into, or continued affiliation with, a university organization is directly or indirectly conditional upon performing that activity.")
KSU follows state law but adds a very broad definition after that: https://www.kent.edu/policyreg/university-policy-regardin... ("In addition to Ohio law, Kent state university defines "hazing" as any action or situation intentionally created, whether on or off university premises, to produce mental or physical discomfort, embarrassment, harassment or ridicule.")

Like I said, you may not like it, but the policy is in place for a reason, and OU is far from alone in implementing something like it.


If O.U.'s hazing policy wasn't hastily implemented or done in a vacuum,what's their excuse ?

This whole mess has pointed out it wasn't well thought out.

I agree,the policy was put in place for a reason.

But,as I posted,when you have a policy so "open ended" and vague that even innocuous activities can result in a Cease and Desist Order,the policy loses all importance.

Maybe this debacle will result in O.U. revisiting/revising their policy to include some common sense.

As far as O.U.'s hazing policy being "in line" with other academic institutions,I'm reminded of the old saying "if one of your friends jumped off a bridge . . . ".

Sure seems like,when it comes to their hazing policy,
O.U. either went first,or followed others off that bridge.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 8:09:16 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:

Sure seems like,when it comes to their hazing policy,
O.U. either went first,or followed others off that bridge.


Precisely. I don't give OU's policy any credence for being "well thought out." I suspect it was an easy application of boilerplate material.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 10:37:24 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:

Sure seems like,when it comes to their hazing policy,
O.U. either went first,or followed others off that bridge.


Precisely. I don't give OU's policy any credence for being "well thought out." I suspect it was an easy application of boilerplate material.



Kind of like every statement out of President Nellis mouth or attributed to him in a news release. This institution is crying for fresh, bold, and principled leadership. We need someone in the mold of Robert M. Hutchins, but without the anti-athletic bias.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 10:43:45 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:

Sure seems like,when it comes to their hazing policy,
O.U. either went first,or followed others off that bridge.


Precisely. I don't give OU's policy any credence for being "well thought out." I suspect it was an easy application of boilerplate material.



Kind of like every statement out of President Nellis mouth or attributed to him in a news release. This institution is crying for fresh, bold, and principled leadership. We need someone in the mold of Robert M. Hutchins, but without the anti-athletic bias.


Agreed OCF but I'm not sure which set of statements tend ot be worse - the "official" university statements or those from the board of trustees.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 11:14:42 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:

Sure seems like,when it comes to their hazing policy,
O.U. either went first,or followed others off that bridge.


Precisely. I don't give OU's policy any credence for being "well thought out." I suspect it was an easy application of boilerplate material.



And, like many things rammed through a meeting that no one pays attention to.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 11:53:10 AM 
So first it was the university was being unfair and the affected groups were innocent. Then it was that they hazed but it didn’t meet YOUR definition of hazing. Then it was unjust because you don’t like the university’s definition of hazing and strict enforcement of a nearly three-year-old policy. Now OU has stupid and reckless leadership because they are doing what almost every other university and organization in the country are doing with respect to hazing.

Your “good old days” aren’t coming back. You might be the majority on this thread full of old men who love college sports, but you’re not going to win this argument on a national scale, and I wouldn’t bet on OU changing its stance regardless of who’s president.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 1:17:01 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
So first it was the university was being unfair and the affected groups were innocent. Then it was that they hazed but it didn’t meet YOUR definition of hazing. Then it was unjust because you don’t like the university’s definition of hazing and strict enforcement of a nearly three-year-old policy. Now OU has stupid and reckless leadership because they are doing what almost every other university and organization in the country are doing with respect to hazing.

Your “good old days” aren’t coming back. You might be the majority on this thread full of old men who love college sports, but you’re not going to win this argument on a national scale, and I wouldn’t bet on OU changing its stance regardless of who’s president.


1.That the university was unfair and did affect certain groups that were innocent is a fact.

That the university violated students' First Amendment rights, is also a fact.

2.Did some groups,by O.U.'s definition,"haze" ?

Yes.

When,as I posted,innocuous things like having pledges text daily weather reports to actives, meets O.U.'s definition of "hazing",maybe its THEIR definition that needs to be changed.

3.What was unjust was O.U. implementing a hazing policy lacking common sense.

Then using that policy to hammer organizations with Cease and Desist orders.

Of course,then it came out that,in many cases,the allegations were anonymous, second or third hand accounts of what,in at least one instance I know of,was a years' old allegation.

4.I never said O.U.'s current leadership is "stupid" or "reckless".

What I have said is that O.U.'s leadership mishandled this from day one.

I've also criticized their lack of communication.

A tweet from JHJ,and a paragraph from Nellis,weeks after this started and
well after it had become obvious the university mishandled it,is abhorrent.

5.Yes I do feel JHJ and Nellis need to go.
If you read my other posts you can see why I feel this way.

6.As far as O.U.'s hazing policy being in line with other institutions,reread my "bridge" comment.

7.Other then myself and a couple of others on BA,I have no idea how old anyone is,or if they are male or female.

But I do seem to detect just a hint of discrimination against seasoned citizens.

I do know that,in my experience,the people here do love O.U. sports.
This is, after all, an O.U. sports site.

Are you saying that's a bad thing ?

8.I really don't care about "wining this argument on a national scale".

I care about what happens at O.U., especially to the groups who were/are in the cross hairs of an overzealous administration,when it came to this.

This includes the 110, who are still waiting for their case to be resolved.

What will happen to things like this,nationally, over time, who knows.
Pendulums swing both ways.

As OCF pointed out,fraternities are already exercising their "nuclear option".


All I can say is,who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.








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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 1:37:14 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 1:45:53 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:

You might be the majority on this thread full of old men who love college sports


I was just getting ready to respond to this.

Then I remembered,I already had. :-)

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 2:59:04 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


Whose opinion has changed? What's different about stances on this issue today than it was throughout the first 10 pages of this thread?

Everybody is exactly where they always were.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 3:21:03 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


Whose opinion has changed? What's different about stances on this issue today than it was throughout the first 10 pages of this thread?

Everybody is exactly where they always were.


This thread has only had 8 pages, but whatevs.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sororities reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 4:01:30 PM 
I think that the reason some postings/posters are more prevalent than others is that the side that feels that the fraternities/sororities were wronged have a modicum of groupthink. Look how often there is a +1 or an Amen or a piggyback on a tangent. Somebody says something about the process and everybody then piles back on. It seems to happen every time there is a new complaint with the situation. Discussion and dialogue has gone by the wayside and now there's just the desire for heads to roll it seems.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/13/2019 9:59:00 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


My oh my. What an astute observation. I'll take it a step further OCF - or they don't have the whatever to go out on a limb, for them, to take a stance. We have posters who are members of their respective party central committees agreeing that OU botched the hell out of this. That's called bipartisan support. It will be very interesting to see what the enrollment numbers are for 2020-2021 as well as donations to the university. I'm betting they will be both be down unless of course a Violet Patton appears out of nowhere.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/14/2019 9:10:25 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


Whose opinion has changed? What's different about stances on this issue today than it was throughout the first 10 pages of this thread?

Everybody is exactly where they always were.


I didn’t say opinions had changed all that much, I just said we have people who are often on opposite sides of the issue agreeing that Nellis & company did not handle this well and that the university needs to rethink this whole issue. See Alan Swank’s post. He hit the nail on the head here.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/14/2019 10:30:28 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


I think people have abandoned this thread because it’s dominated by the same 4-5 guys who have intractable opinions. There’s not much debate and dialogue happening here. The university did what just about any institution would have done given similar circumstances. You guys hate the reality that zero tolerance hazing policies and aggressive enforcement are quite standard in today’s world. This is about protecting assets (liability) and protecting students (for the umpteenth time, a student died). The university is doing this the same way other institutions are: Working to permanently destroy any kind of initiation rituals among any groups affiliated with the university. Is being forced cleaning a room or wake up at 6 a.m. life-threatening? Of course not. Is it a big leap from that kind of crap to stuff that’s really harmful? You probably don’t think so, but I promise a lawyer would disagree. These are perfectly reasonable explanations for what happened, and eight pages into the thread we’re still going in circles. Abandoning the thread looks wise, yet here I am.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/14/2019 5:16:11 PM 
I know you don’t trust old white guys, especially the dead ones, but William Shakespeare once said something about lawyers that might be relevant here, in a figurative sense, of course! ;-) And, you’d only recognize progress in this thread if those on this side recognized the brilliance of your arguments and abandoned our feelings that constitutional rights trumped university regulations. The concept of in loco parentis died a long time ago. This is apparently the last vestige.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/15/2019 9:10:59 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


Whose opinion has changed? What's different about stances on this issue today than it was throughout the first 10 pages of this thread?

Everybody is exactly where they always were.


I didn’t say opinions had changed all that much, I just said we have people who are often on opposite sides of the issue agreeing that Nellis & company did not handle this well and that the university needs to rethink this whole issue. See Alan Swank’s post. He hit the nail on the head here.


So what's your point about unnamed people abandoning the thread? Alan's opinion was the same a month ago as it is now. There's always been folks who usually disagree agreeing here. And the "unnamed people" frequently posted about the issue prior, right? Or are you worried about people who haven't posted at all here?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/15/2019 9:51:53 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


Whose opinion has changed? What's different about stances on this issue today than it was throughout the first 10 pages of this thread?

Everybody is exactly where they always were.


I didn’t say opinions had changed all that much, I just said we have people who are often on opposite sides of the issue agreeing that Nellis & company did not handle this well and that the university needs to rethink this whole issue. See Alan Swank’s post. He hit the nail on the head here.


So what's your point about unnamed people abandoning the thread? Alan's opinion was the same a month ago as it is now. There's always been folks who usually disagree agreeing here. And the "unnamed people" frequently posted about the issue prior, right? Or are you worried about people who haven't posted at all here?


You were one of the unnamed people. After posting almost hourly for a period, you stopped posting for the better part of a week. People were speculating, off the board, as to why you had stopped. I just voiced one such speculation. It was not meant as a deep personal criticism, just some theorizing. Your are back, so I guess as the lawyers would say (it's in fashion to quote them here, now), it's a moot point.

I do find it interesting that some posters who are normally on opposite sides of issues are in agreement on this topic. My quoting of Alan's post had nothing to do with this personal opinion on the issue at hand, but his observation that two highly partisan people in different political parties were in agreement on this issue, and took the opposite position you've been taking.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/15/2019 12:05:35 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


Whose opinion has changed? What's different about stances on this issue today than it was throughout the first 10 pages of this thread?

Everybody is exactly where they always were.


I didn’t say opinions had changed all that much, I just said we have people who are often on opposite sides of the issue agreeing that Nellis & company did not handle this well and that the university needs to rethink this whole issue. See Alan Swank’s post. He hit the nail on the head here.


So what's your point about unnamed people abandoning the thread? Alan's opinion was the same a month ago as it is now. There's always been folks who usually disagree agreeing here. And the "unnamed people" frequently posted about the issue prior, right? Or are you worried about people who haven't posted at all here?


You are correct. If anything, it has solidifed based on the continued bungling of the "investigations", the university's lack of a timely and forceful response to the vandalism, and personal conversations with individuals in some of the "charged" groups. Hindsight is often 20/20 but when the young man died, as a precautionanary and liability endeavor, all greek organizations should have been "suspended as of a certain date" and a campus wide convesation and educational programming should have taken place to address what has now been exposed as a widely known pattern of systemic "hazing." Instead and for some unknown reason, suspensions were put in place almost 8 months later in a matter of 72 hours based on a series of dubious claims and rumors.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/15/2019 4:30:05 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
...were put in place almost 8 months later in a matter of 72 hours based on a series of dubious claims and rumors.



That, right there, sums up the issue for me. Well said.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/15/2019 5:28:32 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


Whose opinion has changed? What's different about stances on this issue today than it was throughout the first 10 pages of this thread?

Everybody is exactly where they always were.


I didn’t say opinions had changed all that much, I just said we have people who are often on opposite sides of the issue agreeing that Nellis & company did not handle this well and that the university needs to rethink this whole issue. See Alan Swank’s post. He hit the nail on the head here.


So what's your point about unnamed people abandoning the thread? Alan's opinion was the same a month ago as it is now. There's always been folks who usually disagree agreeing here. And the "unnamed people" frequently posted about the issue prior, right? Or are you worried about people who haven't posted at all here?


You were one of the unnamed people. After posting almost hourly for a period, you stopped posting for the better part of a week. People were speculating, off the board, as to why you had stopped. I just voiced one such speculation. It was not meant as a deep personal criticism, just some theorizing. Your are back, so I guess as the lawyers would say (it's in fashion to quote them here, now), it's a moot point.

I do find it interesting that some posters who are normally on opposite sides of issues are in agreement on this topic. My quoting of Alan's post had nothing to do with this personal opinion on the issue at hand, but his observation that two highly partisan people in different political parties were in agreement on this issue, and took the opposite position you've been taking.


I was in San Francisco for work and had long days last week. But glad to hear you all missed me.

I still don't get the speculation. Alan and Rp have been in agreement from day one. Why would their agreement make me uneasy? Or make this less "fun"? And what about the last week would have changed any of that?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 12/15/2019 5:49:30 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
. . . All I can say is, who would have thought that there'd be a topic on BA that liberals and conservatives would agree on.


Interesting observation. And, it seems to me that without naming names, we have a few frequent posters who have abandoned this thread because this type of agreement either makes them uneasy or takes out the fun out of it for them.


Whose opinion has changed? What's different about stances on this issue today than it was throughout the first 10 pages of this thread?

Everybody is exactly where they always were.


I didn’t say opinions had changed all that much, I just said we have people who are often on opposite sides of the issue agreeing that Nellis & company did not handle this well and that the university needs to rethink this whole issue. See Alan Swank’s post. He hit the nail on the head here.


So what's your point about unnamed people abandoning the thread? Alan's opinion was the same a month ago as it is now. There's always been folks who usually disagree agreeing here. And the "unnamed people" frequently posted about the issue prior, right? Or are you worried about people who haven't posted at all here?


You were one of the unnamed people. After posting almost hourly for a period, you stopped posting for the better part of a week. People were speculating, off the board, as to why you had stopped. I just voiced one such speculation. It was not meant as a deep personal criticism, just some theorizing. Your are back, so I guess as the lawyers would say (it's in fashion to quote them here, now), it's a moot point.

I do find it interesting that some posters who are normally on opposite sides of issues are in agreement on this topic. My quoting of Alan's post had nothing to do with this personal opinion on the issue at hand, but his observation that two highly partisan people in different political parties were in agreement on this issue, and took the opposite position you've been taking.


I was in San Francisco for work and had long days last week. But glad to hear you all missed me.

I still don't get the speculation. Alan and Rp have been in agreement from day one. Why would their agreement make me uneasy? Or make this less "fun"? And what about the last week would have changed any of that?


Nice to be missed, isn't it? ;-) Well, it was just becoming more and more clear the depth of the agreements here by those usually on different sides, and it seemed that the inability of further argumentation to move folks to your side of the issue might have been a tad frustrating and, therefore, less "fun" or perhaps even unsettling to you. As I said, just idle speculation. No, harm meant.


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   Posted: 2/3/2020 7:16:02 AM 
To bring this semi back on topic.

Last Friday my wife and I were going to the Lehigh/Army Wrestling match.

To make sure we didn't have any commuting issues.I had to reschedule a meeting.

When I told the person why,he said he was a Lehigh grad.

As I've posted,Lehigh is a heavy Greek school.
So I asked him if was in a frat.

He said he was.
I told him about what happened at O.U.

He said that Lehigh had just suspended,they called it "paused",pretty
much all Greek activities on campus.

The University was also prohibiting any "active",including alumni,from
contacting "new" members,for anything "non-business" related.

He said that their National Organization told them that there is a concerted effort on the part of administrations around the country to "kill" the Greek system.

Here's the link to the full article: http://www.inquirer.com/news/lehigh-university-hazing-dri... .

Change the names in the article to "Nellis" and JHJ and the story starts to sound a bit familiar.




Last Edited: 2/3/2020 10:00:27 AM by rpbobcat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Three sorority's reinstated
   Posted: 2/3/2020 7:26:00 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
To bring this semi back on topic.

Last Friday my wife and I were going to the Lehigh/Army Wrestling match.

To make sure we didn't have any commuting issues.I had to reschedule a meeting.

When I told the person why,he said he was a Lehigh grad.

As I've posted,Lehigh is a heavy Greek school.
So I asked him if was in a frat.

He said he was.
I told him about what happened at O.U.

He said that Lehigh had just suspended,they called it "paused",pretty
much all Greek activities on campus.

The University was also prohibiting any "active",including alumni,from
contacting "new" members,for anything "non-business" related.

He said that their National Organization told them that there is a concerted effort on the part of administrations around the country to "kill" the Greek system.

If you go to http://www.inquirer.com and search "lehigh" you can find the story they
did on it.

Change the names in the article to "Nellis" and JHJ and the story starts to sound a bit familiar.






Interesting, more interesting that the University put restrictions on these students that are not on other university students.
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