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Topic:  Around the MAC in 20/21
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shabamon
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  Message Not Read  Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/25/2020 10:43:37 AM 
A little project of mine in my extra free time was to whip up a spreadsheet calculating returning points production across the MAC, factoring in graduating seniors and outgoing transfers. While not an exact science, I think what I have is a strong indicator of expectations going into the season without factoring in newcomers.

Ohio returns about 73% of its scoring production as long as no one leaves the roster. This would be the highest in the East other than Miami (92%). Around the East, look for Kent (27%) and Akron (38%) to take big steps back. Kent in particular is gutted and at this moment, has four scholarships unaccounted for. They lose their top five guards plus a starting forward. Turner leaving BG is a huge loss. With him, the Falcons return 78% and are probably a clear favorite, but without him, they return 58%. Buffalo (66%) is in decent shape, but I don't exactly trust that Whitesell can lead them to a title, and neither do most UB fans.

The West is a mess. Every team is either gutted or finished in the bottom four of the MAC standings. Or both, in Central's case (51%). Toledo is losing six players and returns about 53%. With how disappointing this past season was for the Rockets with what I think was a great roster plus the turnover they have, I don't see Toledo making a push next year. Of all players not returning next year, Eugene German was the most productive by more than 100 points. The Huskies return only 48%. Ball State is in bad shape, returning 37% and currently, no signed LOIs or verbals. Eastern and Western return a lot (83% and 94%, respectively). I like Western's roster a lot, and with a solid coaching hire, they could be in for a huge improvement in the MAC standings.

A top four seed in the 2021 MAC tournament should not only be a goal, but an expectation for Ohio. It would not surprise me to see the Bobcats receive some first place votes in
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/25/2020 12:20:49 PM 
shabamon wrote:
A little project of mine in my extra free time was to whip up a spreadsheet calculating returning points production across the MAC, factoring in graduating seniors and outgoing transfers. While not an exact science, I think what I have is a strong indicator of expectations going into the season without factoring in newcomers.

Ohio returns about 73% of its scoring production as long as no one leaves the roster. This would be the highest in the East other than Miami (92%). Around the East, look for Kent (27%) and Akron (38%) to take big steps back. Kent in particular is gutted and at this moment, has four scholarships unaccounted for. They lose their top five guards plus a starting forward. Turner leaving BG is a huge loss. With him, the Falcons return 78% and are probably a clear favorite, but without him, they return 58%. Buffalo (66%) is in decent shape, but I don't exactly trust that Whitesell can lead them to a title, and neither do most UB fans.

The West is a mess. Every team is either gutted or finished in the bottom four of the MAC standings. Or both, in Central's case (51%). Toledo is losing six players and returns about 53%. With how disappointing this past season was for the Rockets with what I think was a great roster plus the turnover they have, I don't see Toledo making a push next year. Of all players not returning next year, Eugene German was the most productive by more than 100 points. The Huskies return only 48%. Ball State is in bad shape, returning 37% and currently, no signed LOIs or verbals. Eastern and Western return a lot (83% and 94%, respectively). I like Western's roster a lot, and with a solid coaching hire, they could be in for a huge improvement in the MAC standings.

A top four seed in the 2021 MAC tournament should not only be a goal, but an expectation for Ohio. It would not surprise me to see the Bobcats receive some first place votes in


Interesting stats. Has the basketball forum found its L.C.? ;-)


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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/25/2020 12:23:25 PM 
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/25/2020 2:31:27 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


No one comes close to this duo. No one at all. And Kron and Kant always reload with transfers. Groce has Maishe Dailey from Iowa waiting plus who know who else. Sendy always gets kids to play hard.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/25/2020 4:30:23 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


With the way mid major college basketball is going, this will be their last year with the bobcats before they get snatched up by a bigger conference. Letís make it count and win this thing.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/25/2020 5:41:41 PM 
Kent State and Akron always have a knack for reloading with transfers. I'm guessing they'll be back in the mix again next season.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/26/2020 10:14:12 AM 
gbur wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


With the way mid major college basketball is going, this will be their last year with the bobcats before they get snatched up by a bigger conference. Letís make it count and win this thing.


Maybe, especially BVP since next year will be his 4th. I could see him playing his last year at Wisconsin.

Would be interesting to know if Preston is taking summer classes and has a shot at graduating after 3 years like Jason Carter.

I remain hopeful and predict they both stay, especially if the team does well and makes strides next year and the supporting cast improves. Remember the 2 are roommates and great friends.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/26/2020 10:15:58 AM 
gbur wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


With the way mid major college basketball is going, this will be their last year with the bobcats before they get snatched up by a bigger conference. Letís make it count and win this thing.


It would make absolutely no sense for any player, let alone BVP and JP to transfer with one year of eligibility, only to get some minutes at a big time school. It would be far better for their own cause to stay and make a run in the tournament with them being the stars, than to be just another name on a power conference roster.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/26/2020 10:20:57 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Kent State and Akron always have a knack for reloading with transfers. I'm guessing they'll be back in the mix again next season.


Akron has Taylor Currie coming in, he was the third leading scorer in JUCO, he can really shoot.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/26/2020 5:08:12 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
gbur wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


With the way mid major college basketball is going, this will be their last year with the bobcats before they get snatched up by a bigger conference. Letís make it count and win this thing.


It would make absolutely no sense for any player, let alone BVP and JP to transfer with one year of eligibility, only to get some minutes at a big time school. It would be far better for their own cause to stay and make a run in the tournament with them being the stars, than to be just another name on a power conference roster.


I agree but it happens all the time now. It wouldnít shock me.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/26/2020 10:29:59 PM 
gbur wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
gbur wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


With the way mid major college basketball is going, this will be their last year with the bobcats before they get snatched up by a bigger conference. Letís make it count and win this thing.


It would make absolutely no sense for any player, let alone BVP and JP to transfer with one year of eligibility, only to get some minutes at a big time school. It would be far better for their own cause to stay and make a run in the tournament with them being the stars, than to be just another name on a power conference roster.


I agree but it happens all the time now. It wouldnít shock me.


I seriously doubt it. Boals helped them both shine even more than LY, and he knows how to set a "Pick".....


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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 3/29/2020 3:25:44 PM 
RSBobcat wrote:
gbur wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
gbur wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


With the way mid major college basketball is going, this will be their last year with the bobcats before they get snatched up by a bigger conference. Letís make it count and win this thing.


It would make absolutely no sense for any player, let alone BVP and JP to transfer with one year of eligibility, only to get some minutes at a big time school. It would be far better for their own cause to stay and make a run in the tournament with them being the stars, than to be just another name on a power conference roster.


I agree but it happens all the time now. It wouldnít shock me.


I seriously doubt it. Boals helped them both shine even more than LY, and he knows how to set a "Pick".....


I hope that they don't transfer, but again, coaches have a grad transfer board in each of their offices of who could be available based on course work.

There's no nobility in red-shirting a kid anymore, especially given that a kid can transfer after year 4. Might as well let em rot at the end of the bench and tell them to figure it out so they don't go to another school and burn me. But that's just me
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  Message Not Read  RE: Around the MAC in 20/21
   Posted: 4/1/2020 11:53:13 AM 
RSBobcat wrote:
gbur wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
gbur wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
JP & BVP are going to torch this league.


With the way mid major college basketball is going, this will be their last year with the bobcats before they get snatched up by a bigger conference. Letís make it count and win this thing.


It would make absolutely no sense for any player, let alone BVP and JP to transfer with one year of eligibility, only to get some minutes at a big time school. It would be far better for their own cause to stay and make a run in the tournament with them being the stars, than to be just another name on a power conference roster.


I agree but it happens all the time now. It wouldnít shock me.


I seriously doubt it. Boals helped them both shine even more than LY, and he knows how to set a "Pick".....


+1

First time I saw Jeff in Athens after he'd been hired, I asked him who his pick coach was gonna be. He smiled, laughed a little, and then pointed to himself with a big grin on this face!


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Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org

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