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IceCat76
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   Posted: 4/7/2020 8:26:35 AM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
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Matt Haarms of Purdue just put his name in the hat.....absurd

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/2...

But hey, we're on his list. Purdue transfer Matt Haarms gave ESPN a list of more than 25 schools to reach out. https://t.co/FbCXnJz8eH&mdash ; Jeff Borzello (@jeffborzello) https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/12472861764128194...


This means someone is transferring for us if we reached out right?


What this means is that if Haarms was interested someone is losing their scholarship. You can be sure that they would never tell Haarms "Sorry, we don't have an opening"
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2020 Transfer Thread
   Posted: 4/7/2020 9:51:05 AM 
IceCat76 wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Matt Haarms of Purdue just put his name in the hat.....absurd

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/2...

But hey, we're on his list. Purdue transfer Matt Haarms gave ESPN a list of more than 25 schools to reach out. https://t.co/FbCXnJz8eH&mdash ; Jeff Borzello (@jeffborzello) https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/12472861764128194...


This means someone is transferring for us if we reached out right?


What this means is that if Haarms was interested someone is losing their scholarship. You can be sure that they would never tell Haarms "Sorry, we don't have an opening"


The way things are now, coaches can't wait until their is opening to go after players. It almost has to be assumed one or more players will transfer.
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   Posted: 4/7/2020 10:22:51 AM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
IceCat76 wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Matt Haarms of Purdue just put his name in the hat.....absurd

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/2...

But hey, we're on his list. Purdue transfer Matt Haarms gave ESPN a list of more than 25 schools to reach out. https://t.co/FbCXnJz8eH&mdash ; Jeff Borzello (@jeffborzello) https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/12472861764128194...


This means someone is transferring for us if we reached out right?


What this means is that if Haarms was interested someone is losing their scholarship. You can be sure that they would never tell Haarms "Sorry, we don't have an opening"


The way things are now, coaches can't wait until their is opening to go after players. It almost has to be assumed one or more players will transfer.


Exactly. Player movement can be so unpredictable that it is in coaches' best interests to always be recruiting. Even if all of your scholarships are accounted for, it's best to still be in contact with the guys you like. Us contacting Matt Haarms could simply be us saying "Look, we don't have a spot for you this second, but we like you and we will let you know if anything opens up."

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2020 Transfer Thread
   Posted: 4/7/2020 11:53:14 AM 
This whole movement thing was a contributing factor in losing some interest in pro sports for me. Hard to fine many Al Kaline's any longer. It's all business and 600 folks in the portal sure undercuts the idea of a "student-athlete."
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2020 Transfer Thread
   Posted: 4/7/2020 5:39:24 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
This whole movement thing was a contributing factor in losing some interest in pro sports for me. Hard to fine many Al Kaline's any longer. It's all business and 600 folks in the portal sure undercuts the idea of a "student-athlete."


+1


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   Posted: 4/7/2020 6:06:27 PM 
While I agree with you to a large extent about the "student athletes" thing, so many of the guys on there seem to be bench warmers. Few points per game and in many cases, not a lot of playing time. A young man is only young once, and to be on a team for 4 years and just have a front row seat, well I can see some wanting to transfer, even if to a lower rung school, just to get playing time. That said, we all know big name schools come in and poach lower classmen who have shown great skills. Those are the cases I despise. Remember when a certain school that was never named offered Gary Trent money if he transferred? To Mr. Trent's credit, he stayed a bobcat till the NBA allure called him.
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   Posted: 4/7/2020 7:45:04 PM 
A high percentage of people in the transfer portal end up at Div II or JUCO.
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   Posted: 4/7/2020 8:45:41 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
A high percentage of people in the transfer portal end up at Div II or JUCO.


You made my point Jeff. JUCO is hardly advancing one's academic career.

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   Posted: 4/7/2020 9:56:25 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
A high percentage of people in the transfer portal end up at Div II or JUCO.


You made my point Jeff. JUCO is hardly advancing one's academic career.



And at the end of the day, that same high % is getting bad advice from some handler.
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   Posted: 4/9/2020 9:40:30 PM 
A 7'3 guy leaving a school that has been good at developing big men is insane. There is no doubt that a 25 school list is way short of the schools that would move a player to make room for him. The fact that a player like this is in the portal blows my mind. What is he looking for? Why is he compelled to leave? Is there a program PU does not offer that he is seeking? Anyone have any idea how many grad transfers actually complete another degree. Lon Krueger, look what you have done.


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   Posted: 4/10/2020 1:32:19 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
A 7'3 guy leaving a school that has been good at developing big men is insane. There is no doubt that a 25 school list is way short of the schools that would move a player to make room for him. The fact that a player like this is in the portal blows my mind. What is he looking for? Why is he compelled to leave? Is there a program PU does not offer that he is seeking? Anyone have any idea how many grad transfers actually complete another degree. Lon Krueger, look what you have done.

As a Purdue alum, we are almost as puzzled as you are. Haarms was universally beloved by the students and fans. I was sorely disappointed that I didn't get to see him play in Athens; he missed the game due to a concussion. The only thing we can guess is, Haarms was technically not the starter, as there was an even better center in Trevion Williams who holds down that spot. Despite this, he was probably the third best player on the team. Purdue is coming off its worst year in about 15 years and was in real danger of missing the tournament for the first time in that period. Our best guess is with the dearth of post players out there, he feels there's a chance he can start, play an extra five minutes a game, and do all that while possibly playing on an even better team.

Last Edited: 4/10/2020 1:32:58 AM by WxM

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   Posted: 4/10/2020 8:13:51 AM 
WxM wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
A 7'3 guy leaving a school that has been good at developing big men is insane. There is no doubt that a 25 school list is way short of the schools that would move a player to make room for him. The fact that a player like this is in the portal blows my mind. What is he looking for? Why is he compelled to leave? Is there a program PU does not offer that he is seeking? Anyone have any idea how many grad transfers actually complete another degree. Lon Krueger, look what you have done.

As a Purdue alum, we are almost as puzzled as you are. Haarms was universally beloved by the students and fans. I was sorely disappointed that I didn't get to see him play in Athens; he missed the game due to a concussion. The only thing we can guess is, Haarms was technically not the starter, as there was an even better center in Trevion Williams who holds down that spot. Despite this, he was probably the third best player on the team. Purdue is coming off its worst year in about 15 years and was in real danger of missing the tournament for the first time in that period. Our best guess is with the dearth of post players out there, he feels there's a chance he can start, play an extra five minutes a game, and do all that while possibly playing on an even better team.


This makes me sick as I remember Jaaron leaving. It sounded like a good move for him to go up a level to strut his stuff but he averaged 3 mins per game and played behind a freshman turnover machine. I just did not ever get why he left a surefire MAC POY chance for benchwarmer.
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   Posted: 4/10/2020 11:12:31 AM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
WxM wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
A 7'3 guy leaving a school that has been good at developing big men is insane. There is no doubt that a 25 school list is way short of the schools that would move a player to make room for him. The fact that a player like this is in the portal blows my mind. What is he looking for? Why is he compelled to leave? Is there a program PU does not offer that he is seeking? Anyone have any idea how many grad transfers actually complete another degree. Lon Krueger, look what you have done.

As a Purdue alum, we are almost as puzzled as you are. Haarms was universally beloved by the students and fans. I was sorely disappointed that I didn't get to see him play in Athens; he missed the game due to a concussion. The only thing we can guess is, Haarms was technically not the starter, as there was an even better center in Trevion Williams who holds down that spot. Despite this, he was probably the third best player on the team. Purdue is coming off its worst year in about 15 years and was in real danger of missing the tournament for the first time in that period. Our best guess is with the dearth of post players out there, he feels there's a chance he can start, play an extra five minutes a game, and do all that while possibly playing on an even better team.


This makes me sick as I remember Jaaron leaving. It sounded like a good move for him to go up a level to strut his stuff but he averaged 3 mins per game and played behind a freshman turnover machine. I just did not ever get why he left a surefire MAC POY chance for benchwarmer.


I have no inside info on this, pure speculation. My guess is that Jaaron was pitched the opportunity to compete for the starting PG spot, which he thought he would win over a true freshman. In reality, to Michigan, Jaaron was insurance if the freshman (was it Zavier Simpson?) didn't pan out. He was insurance and depth to them.
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   Posted: 4/10/2020 11:13:04 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
A 7'3 guy leaving a school that has been good at developing big men is insane. There is no doubt that a 25 school list is way short of the schools that would move a player to make room for him. The fact that a player like this is in the portal blows my mind. What is he looking for? Why is he compelled to leave? Is there a program PU does not offer that he is seeking? Anyone have any idea how many grad transfers actually complete another degree. Lon Krueger, look what you have done.


The only acceptable reason is academics. Since we know that's likely not the case, I'm with you - I would love to hear WHY he wants to leave Purdue, clearly at top-30 program in the country, where he had regular playing time.
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   Posted: 4/10/2020 11:18:25 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
This makes me sick as I remember Jaaron leaving. It sounded like a good move for him to go up a level to strut his stuff but he averaged 3 mins per game and played behind a freshman turnover machine. I just did not ever get why he left a surefire MAC POY chance for benchwarmer.


I have no inside info on this, pure speculation. My guess is that Jaaron was pitched the opportunity to compete for the starting PG spot, which he thought he would win over a true freshman. In reality, to Michigan, Jaaron was insurance if the freshman (was it Zavier Simpson?) didn't pan out. He was insurance and depth to them.


Agree with your assumption. It was Simpson who was the starter, and they had Brooks who was another PG on the roster. Both (I think) were 4* recruits that were frankly more athletically gifted, and that played better D, which Beilein heavily valued.

To this day, I'll never understand him going to UM. Had he gone to UD, it would have made all the sense in the world to me. Hometown team, probably a better fit for his game...oh well -- his life, his decisions, his pro's and con's.
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   Posted: 4/10/2020 2:32:31 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
A 7'3 guy leaving a school that has been good at developing big men is insane. There is no doubt that a 25 school list is way short of the schools that would move a player to make room for him. The fact that a player like this is in the portal blows my mind. What is he looking for? Why is he compelled to leave? Is there a program PU does not offer that he is seeking? Anyone have any idea how many grad transfers actually complete another degree. Lon Krueger, look what you have done.


The only acceptable reason is academics. Since we know that's likely not the case, I'm with you - I would love to hear WHY he wants to leave Purdue, clearly at top-30 program in the country, where he had regular playing time.


Why is academics the only acceptable reason? Wouldn't the following be just as acceptable:

1. Wants to compete for a national championship and doesn't feel Purdue gives him that opportunity.
2. Doesn't like his coach.
3. Doesn't want to live in Indiana anymore.
4. Just wants to experience something new.
5. Doesn't like being the tallest dude around, wants to find a school with a student who is 7'4.
6. Just wants to leave.


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   Posted: 4/10/2020 4:43:46 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
This whole movement thing was a contributing factor in losing some interest in pro sports for me. Hard to fine many Al Kaline's any longer. It's all business and 600 folks in the portal sure undercuts the idea of a "student-athlete."


As a huge Tigers fan, I am in agreement that Kaline, may he rest in peace, was in a class by himself as a person and player. But why choose a guy who skipped college entirely for this conversation? Because he spent his entire career with Detroit? He retired in 1974, two years after Flood vs Kuhn but two years before new collective bargaining basically ushered in free agency. So Kaline didn't have a lot of options, although because he was such a fine person and loyal to the Tigers who have a long tradition of being a players-club, I doubt he would have gone anywhere even if he did have options. It was all business for Al the day after he graduated from Baltimore's Southern High School and his focus on his business made him one of the all-time greats.
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   Posted: 4/10/2020 5:08:49 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This whole movement thing was a contributing factor in losing some interest in pro sports for me. Hard to fine many Al Kaline's any longer. It's all business and 600 folks in the portal sure undercuts the idea of a "student-athlete."


As a huge Tigers fan, I am in agreement that Kaline, may he rest in peace, was in a class by himself as a person and player. But why choose a guy who skipped college entirely for this conversation? Because he spent his entire career with Detroit? He retired in 1974, two years after Flood vs Kuhn but two years before new collective bargaining basically ushered in free agency. So Kaline didn't have a lot of options, although because he was such a fine person and loyal to the Tigers who have a long tradition of being a players-club, I doubt he would have gone anywhere even if he did have options. It was all business for Al the day after he graduated from Baltimore's Southern High School and his focus on his business made him one of the all-time greats.


Let’s be honest, Al Kaline had NO CHOICE but to stay with the Tigers. He was their bitch so to speak. Owned 110% by the organization. Kaline had 2 choices, play for what they paid him (which like others, he probably sold cars, insurance or something in the off season), or not get paid.

Yes, it was great when guys (in all sports) played their careers in one city, but, the reality is those guys had NO choice. They literally took what the owner was willing to give him, while the profit margin of the “man” was obscene!
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   Posted: 4/10/2020 11:50:17 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
GroverBall wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This whole movement thing was a contributing factor in losing some interest in pro sports for me. Hard to fine many Al Kaline's any longer. It's all business and 600 folks in the portal sure undercuts the idea of a "student-athlete."


As a huge Tigers fan, I am in agreement that Kaline, may he rest in peace, was in a class by himself as a person and player. But why choose a guy who skipped college entirely for this conversation? Because he spent his entire career with Detroit? He retired in 1974, two years after Flood vs Kuhn but two years before new collective bargaining basically ushered in free agency. So Kaline didn't have a lot of options, although because he was such a fine person and loyal to the Tigers who have a long tradition of being a players-club, I doubt he would have gone anywhere even if he did have options. It was all business for Al the day after he graduated from Baltimore's Southern High School and his focus on his business made him one of the all-time greats.


Let’s be honest, Al Kaline had NO CHOICE but to stay with the Tigers. He was their bitch so to speak. Owned 110% by the organization. Kaline had 2 choices, play for what they paid him (which like others, he probably sold cars, insurance or something in the off season), or not get paid.

Yes, it was great when guys (in all sports) played their careers in one city, but, the reality is those guys had NO choice. They literally took what the owner was willing to give him, while the profit margin of the “man” was obscene!


Kaline worked in a sporting goods store after his rookie season in 1953, and later he was involved with sales in an auto parts business I believe.
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   Posted: 4/11/2020 7:20:01 AM 
GroverBall wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
GroverBall wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This whole movement thing was a contributing factor in losing some interest in pro sports for me. Hard to fine many Al Kaline's any longer. It's all business and 600 folks in the portal sure undercuts the idea of a "student-athlete."


As a huge Tigers fan, I am in agreement that Kaline, may he rest in peace, was in a class by himself as a person and player. But why choose a guy who skipped college entirely for this conversation? Because he spent his entire career with Detroit? He retired in 1974, two years after Flood vs Kuhn but two years before new collective bargaining basically ushered in free agency. So Kaline didn't have a lot of options, although because he was such a fine person and loyal to the Tigers who have a long tradition of being a players-club, I doubt he would have gone anywhere even if he did have options. It was all business for Al the day after he graduated from Baltimore's Southern High School and his focus on his business made him one of the all-time greats.


Let’s be honest, Al Kaline had NO CHOICE but to stay with the Tigers. He was their bitch so to speak. Owned 110% by the organization. Kaline had 2 choices, play for what they paid him (which like others, he probably sold cars, insurance or something in the off season), or not get paid.

Yes, it was great when guys (in all sports) played their careers in one city, but, the reality is those guys had NO choice. They literally took what the owner was willing to give him, while the profit margin of the “man” was obscene!


Kaline worked in a sporting goods store after his rookie season in 1953, and later he was involved with sales in an auto parts business I believe.


Exactly my point. While the owners were making out like bandits.
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   Posted: 4/11/2020 11:09:26 AM 
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Kaline worked in a sporting goods store after his rookie season in 1953, and later he was involved with sales in an auto parts business I believe.


Back then, athletes who worked off-season jobs in their communities helped to endear themselves to their fans. Richie Hebner worked with his dad as a gravedigger during the off-season. Others were farmers, factory workers, car salesmen, etc. They were more like their fans, so fans related to them better. Joe Morrison worked in PR with the Ford factory in Lima during the off-season and often spoke to community organizations in the small towns up there. I had a cousin who worked with him and I got to spend an hour or so with him after he spoke to a group in my hometown when I was 12 or 13. He became more than just someone on TV to me. He was a real person, a really nice guy and was one of my favorites after that. Because there's such a gap between players and fans in income and lifestyle these days, I'm not sure that happens so much anymore.


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   Posted: 4/12/2020 12:04:15 AM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
WxM wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
A 7'3 guy leaving a school that has been good at developing big men is insane. There is no doubt that a 25 school list is way short of the schools that would move a player to make room for him. The fact that a player like this is in the portal blows my mind. What is he looking for? Why is he compelled to leave? Is there a program PU does not offer that he is seeking? Anyone have any idea how many grad transfers actually complete another degree. Lon Krueger, look what you have done.

As a Purdue alum, we are almost as puzzled as you are. Haarms was universally beloved by the students and fans. I was sorely disappointed that I didn't get to see him play in Athens; he missed the game due to a concussion. The only thing we can guess is, Haarms was technically not the starter, as there was an even better center in Trevion Williams who holds down that spot. Despite this, he was probably the third best player on the team. Purdue is coming off its worst year in about 15 years and was in real danger of missing the tournament for the first time in that period. Our best guess is with the dearth of post players out there, he feels there's a chance he can start, play an extra five minutes a game, and do all that while possibly playing on an even better team.


This makes me sick as I remember Jaaron leaving. It sounded like a good move for him to go up a level to strut his stuff but he averaged 3 mins per game and played behind a freshman turnover machine. I just did not ever get why he left a surefire MAC POY chance for benchwarmer.

For those keeping track, Haarms narrowed his list to ten schools. There are blue bloods like Kentucky, traditional powers like Gonzaga and Arizona, a Big Ten team in Minnesota...and UNC-Greensboro.

https://247sports.com/Article/Matt-Haams-Purdue-transfer-... /
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   Posted: 4/12/2020 8:50:46 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
GroverBall wrote:


Kaline worked in a sporting goods store after his rookie season in 1953, and later he was involved with sales in an auto parts business I believe.


Back then, athletes who worked off-season jobs in their communities helped to endear themselves to their fans. Richie Hebner worked with his dad as a gravedigger during the off-season. Others were farmers, factory workers, car salesmen, etc. They were more like their fans, so fans related to them better. Joe Morrison worked in PR with the Ford factory in Lima during the off-season and often spoke to community organizations in the small towns up there. I had a cousin who worked with him and I got to spend an hour or so with him after he spoke to a group in my hometown when I was 12 or 13. He became more than just someone on TV to me. He was a real person, a really nice guy and was one of my favorites after that. Because there's such a gap between players and fans in income and lifestyle these days, I'm not sure that happens so much anymore.


Thank you for CONTEXT. We do not see the past as we look through the lens of TODAY. We merely comment and point fingers without understanding the times when things took place. There is always a backstory. Society never turns over the rock and looks underneath. Thank you.


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   Posted: 4/12/2020 9:05:48 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
GroverBall wrote:


Kaline worked in a sporting goods store after his rookie season in 1953, and later he was involved with sales in an auto parts business I believe.


Back then, athletes who worked off-season jobs in their communities helped to endear themselves to their fans. Richie Hebner worked with his dad as a gravedigger during the off-season. Others were farmers, factory workers, car salesmen, etc. They were more like their fans, so fans related to them better. Joe Morrison worked in PR with the Ford factory in Lima during the off-season and often spoke to community organizations in the small towns up there. I had a cousin who worked with him and I got to spend an hour or so with him after he spoke to a group in my hometown when I was 12 or 13. He became more than just someone on TV to me. He was a real person, a really nice guy and was one of my favorites after that. Because there's such a gap between players and fans in income and lifestyle these days, I'm not sure that happens so much anymore.


Yes they did, and those are all good things for the fans, but it doesn’t change the fact that the reason these people worked these jobs is because they were grossly underpaid and management was raking it in hand over fist.
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   Posted: 4/12/2020 10:22:54 AM 
GroverBall wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
GroverBall wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This whole movement thing was a contributing factor in losing some interest in pro sports for me. Hard to fine many Al Kaline's any longer. It's all business and 600 folks in the portal sure undercuts the idea of a "student-athlete."


As a huge Tigers fan, I am in agreement that Kaline, may he rest in peace, was in a class by himself as a person and player. But why choose a guy who skipped college entirely for this conversation? Because he spent his entire career with Detroit? He retired in 1974, two years after Flood vs Kuhn but two years before new collective bargaining basically ushered in free agency. So Kaline didn't have a lot of options, although because he was such a fine person and loyal to the Tigers who have a long tradition of being a players-club, I doubt he would have gone anywhere even if he did have options. It was all business for Al the day after he graduated from Baltimore's Southern High School and his focus on his business made him one of the all-time greats.


Let’s be honest, Al Kaline had NO CHOICE but to stay with the Tigers. He was their bitch so to speak. Owned 110% by the organization. Kaline had 2 choices, play for what they paid him (which like others, he probably sold cars, insurance or something in the off season), or not get paid.

Yes, it was great when guys (in all sports) played their careers in one city, but, the reality is those guys had NO choice. They literally took what the owner was willing to give him, while the profit margin of the “man” was obscene!


Kaline worked in a sporting goods store after his rookie season in 1953, and later he was involved with sales in an auto parts business I believe.


Timely comments.

Today's NY Times has an article about Kaline in the Sports section.
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